VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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Knightcvel

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Finally the reign of Kaija is over!
Long live the normal LI's !
There are quite a few pics of Kaija in a ski resort. But it's good being able to see the otger girls. I am interested on that geek girl. I suspect she is the daughter of those templars mentioned by MC's father.
 

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Mc is character is like a stupid guy who does not undersand but keep asking stupud quistion or commends.
Cant fucking stand it ... still fucking zsking stupid question I .... i Quit
 
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I wonder what set him off though. I mean ... there are times when MC is a bit of an idiot but most of that I put down to him suddenly discovering that the world is much bigger than he thought and he is important in that world in a really unnerving and probably unwelcome way.
 

Knightcvel

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I wonder what set him off though. I mean ... there are times when MC is a bit of an idiot but most of that I put down to him suddenly discovering that the world is much bigger than he thought and he is important in that world in a really unnerving and probably unwelcome way.
I was think that it's not the whole story. Maybe he isn't even human. He is manifesting weird skills even before finding the sword. Fiona is certainly after him, as that sucubus, the mercenaries and all. After chapter 5 he is now a skilled swordman with a powerful sword that confers him even more powers.
 

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I was think that it's not the whole story. Maybe he isn't even human. He is manifesting weird skills even before finding the sword. Fiona is certainly after him, as that sucubus, the mercenaries and all. After chapter 5 he is now a skilled swordman with a powerful sword that confers him even more powers.
No, I don't think he's human or at least not entirely human. Part of my issue with Kajia, MC's parents, and the Templars is that I still don't think they're being completely honest with him. I even think it's possible that Kajia was monitoring him but not guarding him and the reason she panicked the night he was ambushed wasn't because he was actually in much danger but because she wanted to prevent him from shedding blood. She got very upset when MC shot the mercenary - and it was shortly after that MC started displaying magical powers.
 

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No, I don't think he's human or at least not entirely human. Part of my issue with Kajia, MC's parents, and the Templars is that I still don't think they're being completely honest with him. I even think it's possible that Kajia was monitoring him but not guarding him and the reason she panicked the night he was ambushed wasn't because he was actually in much danger but because she wanted to prevent him from shedding blood. She got very upset when MC shot the mercenary - and it was shortly after that MC started displaying magical powers.
I doubt after everything that has happened, Kaija will be dishonest to him again same with parents, if he truly was not entirely human none of them know.
 

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I doubt after everything that has happened, Kaija will be dishonest to him again same with parents, if he truly was not entirely human none of them know.
If they're not his actual parents, or one of them isn't then they know or at least one of them knows. I suspect they all know though - all of the Templars.
 

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If they're not his actual parents, or one of them isn't then they know or at least one of them knows. I suspect they all know though - all of the Templars.
Maybe he is a changeling of some sorts. A baby exchanged by fairies? But I am buying the idea that there is another layer of lies in his life. Maybe that Ice Queen who read his being could tell him.
 
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Knightcvel

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I even think it's possible that Kajia was monitoring him but not guarding him and the reason she panicked the night he was ambushed wasn't because he was actually in much danger but because she wanted to prevent him from shedding blood. She got very upset when MC shot the mercenary - and it was shortly after that MC started displaying magical powers.
I don't think so. He displayed magical powers even after knocking the mercenary and in the friendship route she doesn't care.
 

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If they're not his actual parents, or one of them isn't then they know or at least one of them knows. I suspect they all know though - all of the Templars.
That doesn't seem practical. If all the Templars know, then Kaija would need to know, which in turn means she'd be concealing that on her love path. I don't see that happening. In theory there could be even more retconning so that Kaija only knows when she ISN'T on the love path, but then Ceolag would have to explain why Kaija would still be an active Templar operative (on operations too important to go off and rescue the MC) when she's literally the only Templar not trusted with the secret.

Too much of a headache, IMHO. IF the MC's true heritage is a Templar secret, I think it's far more likely that only a handful of Templars (likely the usual suspects) know it.

But ignoring the Templar angle for a second, I'll be disappointed if the MC turns out to be a non-human who was stolen/adopted/switched/whatever as baby. I'd much prefer to see an exceptional human rise to the occasion, rather than imply they're hopeless muggles who'll always need one of the 'better' races to look after them.
 

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That doesn't seem practical. If all the Templars know, then Kaija would need to know, which in turn means she'd be concealing that on her love path. I don't see that happening. In theory there could be even more retconning so that Kaija only knows when she ISN'T on the love path, but then Ceolag would have to explain why Kaija would still be an active Templar operative (on operations too important to go off and rescue the MC) when she's literally the only Templar not trusted with the secret.

Too much of a headache, IMHO. IF the MC's true heritage is a Templar secret, I think it's far more likely that only a handful of Templars (likely the usual suspects) know it.

But ignoring the Templar angle for a second, I'll be disappointed if the MC turns out to be a non-human who was stolen/adopted/switched/whatever as baby. I'd much prefer to see an exceptional human rise to the occasion, rather than imply they're hopeless muggles who'll always need one of the 'better' races to look after them.
Obviously I don't know for sure but it's what makes the most sense to me

- Kajia isn't there often because she's more there to monitor you than guard you, not really protect you just report back on what you're up to which is hopefully nothing outside of insurance.
- Kajia shows up not so much to save you but to prevent you from realizing what you are, and then freaks out when you shed blood because it's one of the things that could trigger you.
- Within a day of shedding blood for the first time you begin to display magical powers
- By the second time it's clear that those powers are exceptional - far beyond even the most practiced human mages.

Now if it's true that the ambush is what woke up your abilities and that Kajia was trying to prevent that then, on whatever path, Kajia still knows things about you that she isn't saying.

I know that we have different opinions about Kajia but it wouldn't surprise me if she is still on a mission, still monitoring you (or trying to) and still lying through her teeth to MC.
 

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But ignoring the Templar angle for a second, I'll be disappointed if the MC turns out to be a non-human who was stolen/adopted/switched/whatever as baby. I'd much prefer to see an exceptional human rise to the occasion, rather than imply they're hopeless muggles who'll always need one of the 'better' races to look after them.
But that is the most logical assumption. He is able to spot magic cloaking, resist succubi influence, resist fairy mind control, is ultra fast under distress, is object of interest by Templars, Fiona, Succubi and the ones who hired the mercenaries. It's obvious he is several steps beyond humanity. Even coming go possess the sword is fate itself acting to put him in a path. And it doesn't begin after spilling blood. If he simply knocks the mercenarie the path is the same.
 

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Obviously I don't know for sure but it's what makes the most sense to me

- Kajia isn't there often because she's more there to monitor you than guard you, not really protect you just report back on what you're up to which is hopefully nothing outside of insurance.
- Kajia shows up not so much to save you but to prevent you from realizing what you are, and then freaks out when you shed blood because it's one of the things that could trigger you.
- Within a day of shedding blood for the first time you begin to display magical powers
- By the second time it's clear that those powers are exceptional - far beyond even the most practiced human mages.

Now if it's true that the ambush is what woke up your abilities and that Kajia was trying to prevent that then, on whatever path, Kajia still knows things about you that she isn't saying.

I know that we have different opinions about Kajia but it wouldn't surprise me if she is still on a mission, still monitoring you (or trying to) and still lying through her teeth to MC.
Given that the MC's powers manifest regardless of whether he "sheds blood," I have no idea why you would think that significant. You could just as easily claim slapping Kaija's ass was the inciting incident and Kaija's deception was an effort to help him awaken (for nefarious Templar purposes, naturally).


But that is the most logical assumption. He is able to spot magic cloaking, resist succubi influence, resist fairy mind control, is ultra fast under distress, is object of interest by Templars, Fiona, Succubi and the ones who hired the mercenaries. It's obvious he is several steps beyond humanity. Even coming go possess the sword is fate itself acting to put him in a path. And it doesn't begin after spilling blood. If he simply knocks the mercenarie the path is the same.
Well, being fast under duress is a property of the sword, not the MC.

As for the rest, people keep saying the MC is too powerful to be a human, but the evidence is weak. Kaija says the number of humans who can see through illusions is under a dozen, but how well positioned is she to know, really? The Templars seem to be focused more on martial exploits than magic, and they haven't exactly impressed me with their strategic awareness. If there were a larger number of powerful mages out there, or even just humans with undiscovered magical talents, would she really know? I'm skeptical.

Similarly, while Kari is surprised if the MC resists the succubus, she says such a thing is "highly unlikely" when questioned by Medb, not that it should have been impossible. Could she be shading the truth to talk up humans to Medb? Maybe. But then again, maybe not. And a lot of the explanations for the MC's "instincts" (like fate, or the intervention of a third party), could apply to a human as easily as any other being - especially when we see first hand that being a powerful Alfr mage wasn't enough to do what the MC did.

We don't know a lot about the world of the Neverwhere Tales, but one thing we do know is that it's huge and varied. It's not unreasonable to believe that even experienced Templars/Valkyrie/Alfar/etc can be surprised at what a human is capable of.

Is the MC being an exceptional human a simpler explanation than him being a powerful non-human? Honestly, I have no idea how to properly weigh the probabilities. I do know, however, that I would personally prefer the former to the latter. YMMV.
 

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Given that the MC's powers manifest regardless of whether he "sheds blood," I have no idea why you would think that significant. You could just as easily claim slapping Kaija's ass was the inciting incident and Kaija's deception was an effort to help him awaken (for nefarious Templar purposes, naturally).
Maybe, she just seems unreasonably freaked out if you kill the guy - despite the fact that she just killed a dozen - and then quickly readjusts herself so she can get you out of there.


Well, being fast under duress is a property of the sword, not the MC.
It has to be, at least, a combination of the two. The sword couldn't force your body to do something it wasn't ready/conditioned to do without hurting you (pulled muscles - torn ligaments - possibly displaced joints kinda stuff) and MC wasn't physically injured after the fight. You can drop a jet engine into a golf cart but the golf cart will be torn apart as soon as you turn it on.
 
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Maybe, she just seems unreasonably freaked out if you kill the guy - despite the fact that she just killed a dozen - and then quickly readjusts herself so she can get you out of there.
Always saw it as her freaking out about it because civilian just had to take someone's life, not a natural thing to occur.

On that note, man, MC is cold-blooded killer. Just a normal 9-5 workman killing person in cold blood, then never even mentioning it again. So much for value of human life.
 

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It has to be, at least, a combination of the two. The sword couldn't force your body to do something it wasn't ready/conditioned to do without hurting you (pulled muscles - torn ligaments - possibly displaced joints kinda stuff) and MC wasn't physically injured after the fight. You can drop a jet engine into a golf cart but the golf cart will be torn apart as soon as you turn it on.
It's a magic artifact that can literally heal the MC's wounds; I think it's more than sophisticated enough to hold a golf cart together at full thrust, as it were.
 
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