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leathermax

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Okay that extends to Xavier casting an illusion on the entire student body which you didn't mention and again, Null wouldn't brainwash Xavier like Zero would. Null wouldn't have the material to blackmail Xavier as he's not the same level of creep RLE's Xavier is.


Okay guys more than a little off topic.


Pink Kryptonite makes Superman gay. Also video source?


I love it.


The average human would not be up to having an entire student body watch them fuck in the quad without memory erasure.

There would be no straining of credulity as very few people would actually risk ending up on the sex offender list


We've clearly established that TNH doesn't take place in a world that operates on porn logic.


That doesn't explain why the student's don't report it and if Xavier doesn't do anything why don't they report it to someone else?

If Xavier just continuously mind controls/wipes people I understand, but again that's not how our Xavier works.


I first suggested Emma could take Null to a sex club. Just her and him doing it so the NTR bros couldn't complain. Got told no because it was "too kinky." I suggested to the writers that Emma could just mask the scene that no one but her and Null would actually know what's going on. Despite the fact that no one would be aware of it, the writers still said no.

Ultimately we can't force the writers to write something they're uncomfortable with.
I meant to explain why nobody reports Zero to the police. Much for the same reason as to why in porn there're no venereal diseases nor worries about pregnancy (unless that's a kink in the game). It's porn logic. That's why you can put a cologne on and fuck everyone, or tell them how to dress, or why all the girls seem to be bisexual. That's why in Akabur's game you can corrupt seemingly demure girls into becoming sluts, or in 4ET you can have sex with everyone even on a love path, much like in Harem Hotel. Not to mention, a psychic here could AoE mindshake everyone into being less rejecting of seeing someone fuck in the open. Not that I'm trying to push my ideas into the game, tho. TNH is clearly not a porn game, rather, a game with porn in it.
Yes, but there is something called suspending your sense of disbelief. And there are limits to that, even in fiction and thus you don't get free reign with everything unless you set it up to do what it is you want to do.

I can't take half of RLE seriously for that reason alone, it's very contrived. "But it's a porn game lol you don't take it seriously" is an understandable argument and I agree to some extent in that some sacrifices do need to be made for any sex beyond the most vanilla to happen, but when something makes sense or is somewhat plausible it also enhances the experience of everything else. Porn logic as an excuse is the biggest reason why the vast, vast majority of games on this site have terrible writing, it's tolerated.

Not that this game is free of its own issues, of course. I don't buy Jean's quirk and I don't buy how everyone is fine with us having a harem (though I hypocritically do like it) but outright exhibitionism at school is a far tougher sell. Maybe they could do it but it would need some decent build up from the beginning.
You see, I have a fundamentally different way of understanding porn games. There's no need to debate it because in the end it's just about tastes, but for me, a porn game is a porn experience first and a "whatever it's trying to be" second.
Personally, I download a porn game to fap to it after a moderate amount of build up to the scene I decide to shoot away, not to read through a fanfic with some sex scene hours into the story. I'm not a comic book fan nor a romance fan, so I can't appreciate whatever they're writing here. I remember someone else here said they liked this game a lot, but didn't get off to it because the sex was bad, or something like that. If this game didn't have smutt in it, there would still be many people playing and liking it, but I wouldn't.

Operating on that logic, I like to separate my fap and non fap sessions, so to speak, with different activities. A porn game could have a really fucking good story and I wouldn't bother reading through it, because that's not what I was looking for when I booted it up.
 
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salscou

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Zero also doesn't get themselves in situations that lead to them being in the infirmary.
Too busy to get in trouble man, you have an entire school worth of bitches clawing at your door to get the D.
This is why you have to work for polyamory in this game.
I know, it just doesnt feel like it feels the character to me?
Like, to me, Null is a good boy and a shonen protagonist.
 

ShinyBoots1993

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Gib sex button plz
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Edit: I may not be on the most up to date release now that I think about it :unsure:
I'm not even mad. I'll take jokes without complaint.

Also you probably aren't. Warning that the version posted my have bugs.

I meant to explain why nobody reports Zero to the police. Much for the same reason as to why in porn there're no venereal diseases nor worries about pregnancy (unless that's a kink in the game). It's porn logic. That's why you can put a cologne on and fuck everyone, or tell them how to dress, or why all the girls seem to be bisexual. That's why in Akabur's game you can corrupt seemingly demure girls into becoming sluts, or in 4ET you can have sex with everyone even on a love path, much like in Harem Hotel. Not to mention, a psychic here could AoE mindshake everyone into being less rejecting of seeing someone fuck in the open. Not that I'm trying to push my ideas into the game, tho. TNH is clearly not a porn game, rather, a game with porn in it.
I mean yeah, pretty much.

I can safely say that nothing in this game will rely on "porn logic."

So if it can't happen without "porn logic" then don't expect it to happen.

Too busy to get in trouble man, you have an entire school worth of bitches clawing at your door to get the D.
Completely fair.

I know, it just doesnt feel like it feels the character to me?
Like, to me, Null is a good boy and a shonen protagonist.
It's the only thing that is a constant across all Nulls is that they're well intentioned and at worst prone to making stupid mistakes.

We added and will continue to add roleplaying opportunities but that won't include having Null do basically anything Zero does because they just have fundamentally different morals.
 

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I'm asking them directly as I don't want to assume. I'll update you all when I get a response.


The police?

Also RLE acknowledges Scott, Nightcrawler, and Wolverine being teachers and Zero isn't fucking them.(Unfortunately)


No that's something he did in the comics.


That I know isn't the reason and I can 100% confirm that Dazzler will not be domming* Null and the girl we've yet to reveal is also 100% a sub.

*As in actually dominating you in the bedroom like quirk active Laura does. Dazzler may top just for variety.


Would you be willing to offer your feedback in detail? We want to represent the polyamory in as believable a way as possible and we're always working on Jean's mental hiccups to feel more real.


This is because Zero, male or female, is horny and collects all the girls. Unlike Null, Zero also doesn't get themselves in situations that lead to them being in the infirmary.


I agree with everything in this post.


This is why you have to work for polyamory in this game.

Not a knock against RLE but you can ask the girls if you can sleep around, they say no, you do it anyway, and 9 out of 10 times they're too cum addicted to complain that you "cheated" on them.

The internet can be misleading but the vast majority of people, not just women, aren't really too comfortable with polyamory.

Even some of Marvel's worst writers have depicted actions that can be explained as the characters being irrational or stupid yet they'd still seem believable.* In cases where they aren't, they usually retcon to explain why someone was acting like they were not human. Often because they were a Skrull. Lazy? Yes. Logical explanation? Unfortunately for the status quo of Marvel, yes.

*Excluding Namor, Reed, and Dr. Strange not being able to help a shot Aunt May
Bit of a meandering post, sorry. If I had more time I'd write a shorter letter.

The issue (non-issue?) regarding polyamory is simple: it's hard to believe because it's not plausible. It's very rare for someone to not feel bad about someone special for you to also seek or love someone else. An actual polyamorous relation either relies on unhealthy relationship dynamics or extreme trust together with a lack of any sort of feeling of monopolization from partners which is an extremely small minority.

Sure, maybe one or two of the characters are fine with this and just aren't wired in a way to feel the need to have you for themselves. But 3 whole characters? And the soon to come growing cast all fine with a massive harem? No. At that point I just go "eh" and kinda just take it as it goes, really. Still at a level I can suspend disbelief.

The game gives a somewhat ridiculous image that if you just grind out stats girls will eventually say fine which is a bit funny because it sort of implies that people elsewhere just need to love each other more and then they'd be fine with having harems. Which isn't true. Plenty of true loves out there that I don't think would be fine with turning polyamorous after a 2 second chat lol.

I actually agree with salscou that Zero's harem is more sensible, because it comes down to unhealthy relationship dynamics. The dude is an asshole, "addictive cum" or whatever. Kings have a billion concubines because there is a power dynamic going on, whatevs. But TNH is supposed to represent healthy and equal relationships, so that's definitely a no go. Let's not give Null brainwashing abilities lol. I think that's just what it falls down to, people on equal standing just won't really agree to this for the most part. I can only see maybe Rogue in this game saying fine to it since she is very submissive.

I am completely unsure how you would make this more believable, which is completely fine, you've done what you can. You can't make a completely true-to-life game and this is at the end of the day, supposed to be a sort of (power) fantasy for the player, we play games to have what we can't in real life. And I do very much enjoy being able to date all the gals and the interactions at the end of the day, I would not have it any other way tbh. Even if it's not realistic I still far, far prefer having the harem than not.

As for Jean...look man, I'm gonna be honest I just can't take big-sis-little-bro dynamics seriously ever. I can buy Rogue or Laura's stuff as legitimate actual conditions but Jean just seems out of pornhub. I still keep it on because it's funny. That might just be a me issue but if I were a betting man I'd say most people find Jean's quirk less believable than the others even if they're not willing to admit, they just think it's hot. If we want to portray Jean with her feeling of control over us, thinking she deserves Null because we are the new special and she is the original, there are probably more legit ways than "big sis", it just seems such a stretch. I dunno tho'. Maybe it'd work in a japanese game.

As always I do love the game and this isn't meant to be scathing.
 

bismism

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The police?
Naaah, mutants don't fuck with cops on principle. The IRL allegories are too palpable for me to go into specifics I fear, but they consistently only work with them out of the needs of the moment. VERY few instances of them being wholeheartedly on good terms.

As an aside though - and feel free to call me insane for this suggestion - I actually feel like it's overall too EASY to hookup with the girls at present (Rogue being a bit of an exception due to known circumstances - Null is literally a dream come true for her so it checks out that she'd be emotional putty). Are there any plans to maybe add higher difficulties or ways to change the stat gain amounts to be less "impactful", so to speak? I feel like having more of a long-haul to get through once the game gets bigger will help the payoff of getting to smash feel more earned.
But again, this could easily just be me and my maladaptive sense of immersion speaking.
 

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So this is a pretty grounded game despite technically allowing you to do harem stuff*. I'm just wondering: if you romance a lot of girls**, do you have ideas on what the other characters will think of it? Will they be weirded out? Will the other boys be mad that Null is hogging all the girls?

* Unless I've misinterpreted and this is supposed to work like actual polyamory where the girls are also allowed to sleep around.
** Though I think I read somewhere this is supposed to become increasingly difficult?

As for Jean...look man, I'm gonna be honest I just can't take big-sis-little-bro dynamics seriously ever. I can buy Rogue or Laura's stuff as legitimate actual conditions but Jean just seems out of pornhub. I still keep it on because it's funny. That might just be a me issue but if I were a betting man I'd say most people find Jean's quirk less believable than the others even if they're not willing to admit, they just think it's hot. If we want to portray Jean with her feeling of control over us, thinking she deserves Null because we are the new special and she is the original, there are probably more legit ways than "big sis", it just seems such a stretch. I dunno tho'. Maybe it'd work in a japanese game.
To be fair it read more as roleplaying from an inexperienced person lol. I dislike incest play so I don't go along with Jean's quirk but this version of Jean is clearly very awkward. The spoiler stuff posted a while ago about Jean's perspective on Null, Xavier and herself is a lot more compelling IMHO.
 

salscou

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Sure, maybe one or two of the characters are fine with this and just aren't wired in a way to feel the need to have you for themselves. But 3 whole characters?
Honestly yeah, the only one i could buy that from is Rogue, (atleast THIS Rogue, since she still isnt the confident, powerfull Rogue), but with Jean? shed get pissed at not monopolizing you, and Laura? youre her damn mate, you belong to her, why would she share you with these harlots? your in rough terrain, pal.
 

bismism

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* Unless I've misinterpreted and this is supposed to work like actual polyamory where the girls are also allowed to sleep around.
From everything said, it is intended to work like real polyamory.
That said; Polyamory works however the people involved decide it works. There are closed polycules as well, and sometimes there are allowances for one or* some members to remain open while others do not (specifically referencing a 'cule I'm friends with for this one), but the main point for a PROPER polyamorous group is to maintain open communication about the matter and establish rules that make everyone involved feel the most comfortable and loved.

It would be interesting to include that detail of "I want to be open, so you can too" as it's own particular conversation/setting for partners, but I - and I'm sure the dev team also - fear it would start up a whoooole lot of "tHiS iS cUcKiNg" commentary if it was even remotely implied in game, so....
 
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2 Things

1. I'm assuming the reason the phone broke was because the phone was made using someone's mutant abilities? and since Null here cancels mutant abilities, it more or less allowed it to break essentially? right?

2. I'm finally gonna play the game since 0.2 but since my saves don't work to like they use to before and I don't have the time to grind. How exactly do I open the console commands again?
 

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Polyamory works however the people involved decide it works.
Indeed. We want to approach things realistically, especially regarding relationship dynamics, but it is an inherently unrealistic setting. Certain aspects may be far-fetched, but what else makes for an attractive story than a series of improbable events? And Null is not the only instance in universe with multiple girlfriends to a single boyfriend, even vice versa.

It would be interesting to include that detail of "I want to be open, so you can too" as it's own particular conversation/setting for partners, but I - and I'm sure the dev team also - fear it would start up a whoooole lot of "tHiS iS cUcKiNg" commentary if it was even remotely implied in game, so....
A can of worms that will not be opened. Our "List of No" on Discord is clear.
 

bismism

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And Null is not the only instance in universe with multiple girlfriends to a single boyfriend, even vice versa.
Cool, that will be a fun detail to see play out. Might make some players feel less "special", but it adds to the reasonability of the protagonist's own actions IMO. Big thumbs up from me (y)

A can of worms that will not be opened. Our "List of No" on Discord is clear.
Y u p, I figured that would be the case lmao :KEK:
 

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Hi, how can I find out what has been added or changed in version 0.6? I'm probably blind but I can't see a list of changes anywhere?
 

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On that note, how buggy is the beta build? Worth checking out early or buggy enough to wait for actual 6a release?
Definitely mostly stable, but with some bugs. Apparently touching the color sliders will crash the game, plus the game has some weirdness with regards to when the paper dolls change costumes when the game simulates time having passed...

Characters having to completely strip while changing seems intentional/not a bug (although it takes time), but then the game will pointlessly show some costume changes after a time change when there is no possibility for interacting anyways (unlike Roguelike, which seems to have a much more expansive time design in terms of time increments; minutes/hours instead of morning/afternoon/evening/night). This normally wouldn't be an issue/bug, but the game can definitely take a bunch of time animating changing the paper dolls that honestly doesn't need to be displayed. Much more noticeable when 3 girls all have to change, 1 AT A TIME. But since this is a beta, optimization isn't really the point. Also, I think 1 or 2 of the clothing items you buy may have a typo somewhere.

Finally, all the girls wear their towels over their swimsuits like they would be naked, but it's not integral to game stability. It just looks ridiculous.
 

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Of all the strangest x-men characters that have ever been made over the years, I gotta say, this one might be the kinkiest one for this game. Just imagine this character being in this game and her giving you head.

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and yeah, her tongue needs a mask too. the tongue has gotta protect it's secret identity too yk
Ok, help me out here, fam.
I she gives you the head, is it gay if the second head (with the bowtie) participates?
 

Moseph1984

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i'm enjoying the game, thanks for making it :)
iirc there is intended to be a bdsm system implemented; is there an eta for that? i was considering adding some (maledom) stuff myself, but i don't of course have the ability to create art for it, so it would be reliant on existing images. is such a mod worth making? if it is, what things are intended to be off-limits for the game, besides exhibitionism? for which women would it be appropriate to have sub stuff implemented? presumably rogue, likely not x23 or jean, would ororo be willing?
 

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Bit of a meandering post, sorry. If I had more time I'd write a shorter letter.
Nah it's fine.

As for Jean...look man, I'm gonna be honest I just can't take big-sis-little-bro dynamics seriously ever. I can buy Rogue or Laura's stuff as legitimate actual conditions but Jean just seems out of pornhub. I still keep it on because it's funny. That might just be a me issue but if I were a betting man I'd say most people find Jean's quirk less believable than the others even if they're not willing to admit, they just think it's hot. If we want to portray Jean with her feeling of control over us, thinking she deserves Null because we are the new special and she is the original, there are probably more legit ways than "big sis", it just seems such a stretch. I dunno tho'. Maybe it'd work in a japanese game.
We've been tweaking this as time goes on.

She DOES think she deserves Null because he's the new special and she's the original. We have plans on making that more obvious.

The Faux-incest thing actually has a lot behind it but people tend to forget that you can have a possessive and controlling Jean without her having the Big Sis quirk activated. We split it in two due to complaints.

So the instigating thing is the explanation of Seniors looking after Freshies.* Her line about "Think of me as a big sister" is something that Null can comment on and nudges her in that direction.

She is also the youngest of multiple siblings and was treated with less respect because of it. You don't look up to the youngest person in the family as an authority or expert on something.

If you activate both quirks you've completely enabled an unhealthy coping mechanism born from her extreme need for control over her life.

You're right in that it'd work better in a Japanese game but it's more just a power dynamic that she latches onto as an excuse that evolves into faux-incest.

*As has been discussed to death, not all colleges have seniors look after freshmen in this way. However several, including my own, did. Not everything is a universal experience and we're not going to include or exclude something for that reason alone.

Other terms are Dorm Aunts/Uncles and Senior Supervisors.

As always I do love the game and this isn't meant to be scathing.
Didn't take it that way. No worries.

To be fair it read more as roleplaying from an inexperienced person lol. I dislike incest play so I don't go along with Jean's quirk but this version of Jean is clearly very awkward. The spoiler stuff posted a while ago about Jean's perspective on Null, Xavier and herself is a lot more compelling IMHO.
Jean very much is meant to be awkward. Also I believe that was me and it was about how Jean is upset at no longer being Xavier's interesting special kid.

Adding onto more of the incest thing. Jean will be protective of Null regardless of her quirks and you can even activate Big Sis Jean while remaining platonic with her. This version of Big Sis Jean is less fetishistic and her deciding that Null needs a good role model to look after him so he makes the smart decisions like only dating nice girls she chooses and not any hussies that would encourage him to be lazy in school.

This woman is deeply troubled and yes we will be exploring this thoroughly as development proceeds.

I mean Jean even voices that the big sister thing was worded awkwardly and she only jumps on it because Null gave his approval directly or indirectly.

but the main point for a PROPER polyamorous group is to maintain open communication about the matter and establish rules that make everyone involved feel the most comfortable and loved.
Which is why it's not as easy as simply asking. The girls have to know each other and have these rules.

and I'm sure the dev team also - fear it would start up a whoooole lot of "tHiS iS cUcKiNg" commentary if it was even remotely implied in game, so....
Yeah this is where we have to drop all possibility of suspension of disbelief. The most that would happen is some girls may want to date each other within the group. Which Null can discourage.

While I've been harping on about realism and stuff, this is a game and SOME concessions need to be made but as mentioned in earlier comments, there are some scenarios we just rather not brush aside.

1. I'm assuming the reason the phone broke was because the phone was made using someone's mutant abilities? and since Null here cancels mutant abilities, it more or less allowed it to break essentially? right?
That's the ongoing theory.

2. I'm finally gonna play the game since 0.2 but since my saves don't work to like they use to before and I don't have the time to grind. How exactly do I open the console commands again?
Dude we've changed the intro in multiple ways since then and there is a lot of content from the beginning to the end that has been added. If you haven't played since 4 entire versions ago you're missing out on a lot of content, including some sexy content.
 

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That'd be funnier if Magik was in the game and you were banging her when asking the big C for a favor.
Well yeah, Piotr is the kind of guy that would help his brother in law, assuming youre good to Illyana of course.
There's a meme on the Discord called "Colossus posting" it's like Chris Posting but it's Piotr wanting you to impregnate his sister.

We have no idea if we'll make the reference but it'd be funny.
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