RPGM The Proteus Effect [v10.3] [Proxxie]

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Bloep

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It'll come out when it comes out.

Stop being so self entitled.

If you think he sucks so bad, then create your own game and show us all how to do it. Otherwise you just have to wait.
You would be completely spot on if this was a free product, but it's not. Proxxie is abusing the goodwill of his patrons, which is pretty slimy behaviour on his part.
Imagine if i complained about my food being late at a restaurant, and then in response the cook comes out and says "Well if i suck so much at cooking, why don't YOU make some food and show us all how it's done!"
here's another example. Imagine if i complained aboout the poor performance of a car i just bought, and then the car mechanics said "Well if the car we made is so bad, why don't YOU make a car and show us how it's done!"
Ridiculous argument. Proxxie isn't making this game in his spare time for others to enjoy, this is his full time job.
 

lemonfreak

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You would be completely spot on if this was a free product, but it's not. Proxxie is abusing the goodwill of his patrons, which is pretty slimy behaviour on his part.
Imagine if i complained about my food being late at a restaurant, and then in response the cook comes out and says "Well if i suck so much at cooking, why don't YOU make some food and show us all how it's done!"
here's another example. Imagine if i complained aboout the poor performance of a car i just bought, and then the car mechanics said "Well if the car we made is so bad, why don't YOU make a car and show us how it's done!"
Ridiculous argument. Proxxie isn't making this game in his spare time for others to enjoy, this is his full time job.
This. I was a patron for a while but then he spent for months pissing about with a bomb puzzle nobody wanted instead of continuing the story which is what the patrons were paying for. At the time I intended to resume my patronage once he's actually put out the story updates I'd paid for (since it was on the basis of monthly updates that I pledged in the first place) but that was in March/April of 2019; after so long, and so many broken promises, I will never give him another penny and it's entirely his own fault.
 

Boyim

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It'll come out when it comes out.

Stop being so self entitled.

If you think he sucks so bad, then create your own game and show us all how to do it. Otherwise you just have to wait.
You're a year too late for that platitude. Read the thread before you post vapid nonsense like this.

We've been over every "you have no right complain" vomit-statement in the book.
 

RustyV

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Again I wish the game did suck so I wouldn't care if it was updated.
It's an entertaining game.
 

RustyV

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Yeah, this is literally an RPGmaker game. He could slide someone a small cut and I'm sure they'd be able to crank out what he has in mind in 1/8th the time without inventing new programming challenges for themselves and getting distracted.
Imagine if the dev adds animations.
 

Boyim

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It'll come out when it comes out.

Stop being so self entitled.

If you think he sucks so bad, then create your own game and show us all how to do it. Otherwise you just have to wait.
I'm bored/drunk, so I'm going to go through this just so the truth of what it means to criticize this behavior exists on more pages of this thread. Who knows, maybe it'll stick this time? At any rate this is a succinct tour de force of BS.

1) No one who is in the business of releasing work "whenever" consistently holds themselves to the standard of a schedule, utilizes a platform that depends on one, chastises themselves for not keeping one, admits fault to their deadline expecting audience for not keeping to a deadline, or advertises their work in a way that depends on this diligence if the work is coming out just 'whenever'. Patreon depends on the contrary. Historical patronage worked to the contrary. And the artist themself does not conceive of it this way and has admitted his desperation in correcting these bad habits. Anyone saying that no deadline is justified in being expected, spits in the face of all but the most bad faith appeals to "not-necessarily". Patreon being used as a donation cup is idiosyncratic, Paypal can be used for that. Patreon has a system of expectations and exists because of and for those purposes. You using Patreon as a tip jar doesn't make that its proper aim.

2) Complaints can be made without personal appeal, and moreover can be justified regardless of this status. Although people can and have been personally wronged by the dev's behavior, the behavior itself is universally unjustified, period. Any who have invested themselves into this work in any way, in whole or in part, at any time, for any reason, or even those who simply view the situation as a disinterested third party, have ample reason to make note of what has happened as a betrayal, simply on account of it being so. There is no 'skin in the game' requirement to give these judgements, otherwise all juries would be illegitimate. Further, complaints on personal grounds, if someone is truly wronged, are something to be praised. "Whiners" are those who complain falsely. If a situation is truly unjust, it should be made note of.

3) No one needs to be themselves a musician to have a taste in music. So no one needs to be a RPGM "dev" to comment on what is a reasonable schedule for this situation. Even if more stringent requirements for critique were required, they exist within what we have been shown. Even against other RPGmaker devs, something has gone horribly wrong. Even against past release schedules of THIS dev, things have gone horribly wrong. And finally even according to this dev himself, something has gone horribly wrong. Proxxie himself recognizes his behavior as being an unjust betrayal of what is owed to his audience. No one but the most misguided of sycophants chant otherwise. Further, EVEN in hyper imagination land where the opposite were true, Proxxie wants to be better and no amount of positive reinforcement has made him so, much to the contrary. If you actually cared about Proxxie as a person or an artist, you would give him the benefit of criticizing his bad behavior, and this would be the right choice even if you believed (wrongly) that he was 'totally within his right to do whatever'.

He wants to be better, saying nothing hasn't helped. Give him what he is owed so he can improve. Criticism is a gift.
 
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FookU2

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I'm bored/drunk, so I'm going to go through this just so the truth of what it means to criticize this behavior exists on more pages of this thread. Who knows, maybe it'll stick this time? At any rate this is a succinct tour de force of BS.

1) No one who is in the business of releasing work "whenever" consistently holds themselves to the standard of a schedule, utilizes a platform that depends on one, chastises themselves for not keeping one, admits fault to their deadline expecting audience for not keeping to a deadline, or advertises their work in a way that depends on this diligence if the work is coming out just 'whenever'. Patreon depends on the contrary. Historical patronage worked to the contrary. And the artist themself does not conceive of it this way and has admitted his desperation in correcting these bad habits. Anyone saying that no deadline is justified in being expected, spits in the face of all but the most bad faith appeals to "not-necessarily". Patreon being used as a donation cup is idiosyncratic, Paypal can be used for that. Patreon has a system of expectations and exists because of and for those purposes. You using Patreon as a tip jar doesn't make that its proper aim.

2) Complaints can be made without personal appeal, and moreover can be justified regardless of this status. Although people can and have been personally wronged by the dev's behavior, the behavior itself is universally unjustified, period. Any who have invested themselves into this work in any way, in whole or in part, at any time, for any reason, or even those who simply view the situation as a disinterested third party, have ample reason to make note of what has happened as a betrayal, simply on account of it being so. There is no 'skin in the game' requirement to give these judgements, otherwise all juries would be illegitimate. Further, complaints on personal grounds, if someone is truly wronged, are something to be praised. "Whiners" are those who complain falsely. If a situation is truly unjust, it should be made note of.

3) No one needs to be themselves a musician to have a taste in music. So no one needs to be a RPGM "dev" to comment on what is a reasonable schedule for this situation. Even if more stringent requirements for critique were required, they exist within what we have been shown. Even against other RPGmaker devs, something has gone horribly wrong. Even against past release schedules of THIS dev, things have gone horribly wrong. And finally even according to this dev himself, something has gone horribly wrong. Proxxie himself recognizes his behavior as being an unjust betrayal of what is owed to his audience. No one but the most misguided of sycophants chant otherwise. Further, EVEN in hyper imagination land where the opposite were true, Proxxie wants to be better and no amount of positive reinforcement has made him so, much to the contrary. If you actually cared about Proxxie as a person or an artist, you would give him the benefit of criticizing his bad behavior, and this would be the right choice even if you believed (wrongly) that he was 'totally within his right to do whatever'.

He wants to be better, saying nothing hasn't helped. Give him what he is owed so he can improve. Critcism is a gift.
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AsheTDust

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I think that sums up the real reason we have page after page after page of complaints about the dev being slow from the same people. Again and again.

Obviously he's very slow at this. But when he does update he puts out a quality product. If you don't like the wait move on. It's really just that simple.

He doesn't owe you anything. The world doesn't owe you anything. If you donated and or continue to donate, good for you. If you have never or have stopped your donations, good for you. Either way all the complaining or criticisms are in fact not a gift. They have not changed anything. All they are is tiring. So please, stop already.
 

Boyim

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I think that sums up the real reason we have page after page after page of complaints...

Obviously he's very slow at this...If you don't like the wait move on...

He doesn't owe you anything. If you 'donated' and or continue to 'donate', good for you. If you have never or have stopped your 'donations', good for you.
See points 3 and 2.

Then see point 1.

Then see points 2 and 1 again.


No one here is in the business of swallowing these empty statements anymore. Least of all if you just repeat the same nonsense in a different order without even reading what was already said. I graciously went through the trouble of reiterating why these platitudes are wrong instead of forcing you through the 'torture' of scrolling back to find any of the last nine times someone tried to pull this and failed. You're not going to win over jaded hearts with anything other than the truth. And if you were really sure what you're saying is the truth, you'd explain why I'm wrong instead of just repeating yourself.

If you aren't going to bother even trying to come up with a response, why do you think anyone would bother listening to you? You are blowing stale hot air at us for no reason. You may as well have walked in here and just started spamming "nuh-uh".
 
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Greetings! I'm still not done, but earlier today I finished the last quest, so all that's left now is tying up loose ends, playtesting, and polishing. So it's really, finally almost done.
I'm fairly pleased with how the last quest turned out, and I'm glad I didn't drop it. It involves a minigame similar to one you've seen before, but I think this iteration is much more fun than the one that preceded it. (It's not Chickens vs. Frogs - but that'll be making a comeback, too!) It has an easy mode, of course, so you should be able to coast through it if that isn't your thing.
The loose end I'm currently working on is two character view renders for a costume you get as part of the last quest. I'm almost done with the first one, and I'll probably have the second finished tomorrow. Then there's picking music for the new levels, finishing up some conversations in the nightclub, adding random NPCs, and unclogging assorted game-related plumbing. Then it's on to testing and polishing. I think I can get it done inside of a week, so I'm targeting this coming Thursday or Friday.
The wait is almost over - thank you for your patience and support!
 
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Bloep

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The loose end I'm currently working on is two character view renders for a costume you get as part of the last quest. I'm almost done with the first one, and I'll probably have the second finished tomorrow. Then there's picking music for the new levels, finishing up some conversations in the nightclub, adding random NPCs, and unclogging assorted game-related plumbing. Then it's on to testing and polishing. I think I can get it done inside of a week, so I'm targeting this coming Thursday or Friday.
If Proxxie can do all of this in less than a week, then what the fuck have they been doing for over a year now?
 
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toadsky

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I hope he means it... But I have ample reason to assume otherwise.
At this point, I'd recommend adopting the dreaded "Soon™" Blizzard keeps using. That way, he'd be free to delay everything to infinity without letting everyone down each and every time.


Seriously though, from the sheer amount of things he listed he needs to do, I believe the goal he set will not be met. That's way too many tasks to not get distracted in the middle... sigh
 

RustyV

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If the dev actually works on the game, then it's a solid don't get your hopes up.
 

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The dev will discover he left his keys on the northern side and have to recross it.
 
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Boyim

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Imagine a world where it was even vaguely possible he'd release early as opposed to late...

The devil weeps bitter tears impotently wishing he could warp human spirits such a distance.
 
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FookU2

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Imagine a world where it was even vaguely possible he'd release early as opposed to late...

The devil weeps bitter tears impotently wishing he could warp human spirits such a distance.
...or even release, at all....
 
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