Ren'Py Abandoned The Red Room [v0.5b] [Alishia]

[myuhinny]

FC is what is called a dick girl she's not a futa and she can't get pregnant same as that police officer.

 

[BABPEEG]

Time for butt pregnant
????????!!

 

[HorizonD]

If the police officer shoves her thingy up in someone's butt... can you call that butt pregnant? ^^

 

[Axel34]

FC is what is called a dick girl she's not a futa and she can't get pregnant same as that police officer.

First, every girl with a dick you can call a dickgirl (as the term itself describes it).

Second, in a case of believable universe term "dickgirl" sound stupid (even offensive but whatever).
Can you imagine like in any form question: "Please indicate your sex: female/male/DICKgirl/other"? Yet "futanari" sex is sound much more believable. That's exactly why in most porn universes authors prefer use term "futa" or "futanari", if they want it not too bizarre — no matter pussy or not.

And why have you assumed that Kendra (police officer) can get pregnant, even if she's in a good sexual health? Or even every full-package-futanari in any universe? What, term "futa" means not only "a biological pussy" now, but also "a fully functional female reproductive system" (possibility of getting pregnant)!? Why though?

 

[MissFortune]

First, every girl with a dick you can call a dickgirl (as the term itself describes it).

That's not necessarily true. Most of these terms/titles/etc already have some level of a base definition. It's fictional words/universes in games that make things difficult by straying away from them. So, if you were to toss real titles/views/etc into a game, your second point would look something like female/male/futanari/trans. Of course, provided Futanari existed in the real world.

Futanari (literally: dual form; 二成, 双成, literally: "[to be of] two kinds"). Literally the Japanese word for Hermaphroditism (an organism that has both kinds of reproductive organs and can produce both gametes associated with male and female sexes), or more recently titled as 'intersex' by activists. Futanari, in the fictional view, almost exclusively have sperm along with proper female bodily fluids. Whereas true intersex people will only reproduce with one way or the other, if at all. Or at least there's no reports of any one intersex person reproducing with both.

Whereas 'dickgirl' (or cuntboy, for the reverse), male-to-female (transgender/transsexual person, respectively, who has not had genital surgery. By the traditional definition of the aforementioned word, a dickgirl is simply a pejorative term for a trans person. No different than shemale or something of the variety.

 

[myuhinny]

Axel34

I forgot Kendra is a futa she just has the look of a dude which always makes me think of them as a dick girl Jessica and the FC on the other hand are dick girls and can't get pregnant but neither can Kendra because ALISHIA stated on their discord that she's decided to make Kendra a top only character.

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[BABPEEG]

Man you guys fall for that bait every time.

 

[Axel34]

So, if you were to toss real titles/views/etc into a game, your second point would look something like female/male/futanari/trans. Of course, provided Futanari existed in the real world.

So "futanari" in that example is a decent word for "dickgirl", no matter their genitals (except the "dick" part)?
Because the difference between "futanari" and "trans girl" (let it be "trans girl" for simplification and not just "trans") in my opinion is that futanari was born that way (let's not take magick and "super-duper" science of bio-engineering in our example), and trans girl was born a boy (or a girl), and then became girl (most likely with dick) and not necessarily with male parts or without girl parts. (Well and of course in our world trans persons are exists, and futanari is just a fantasy, at least for now )

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I don't want to offend anyone. And try to be as correct as possible.

 

[myuhinny]

Futa/futanari = is the Japanese term for a hermaphrodite as futa's have both a dick and a vagina.

Futas are herms, but often gets confused with shemales/dickgirls/traps, because so much emphasis is put on them using their penises for acts, and rarely have any visual representation or interaction of their vaginas.

Dick girl = Girl with a dick. Dick girls are summed up as hentai girls with penises. They can be from birth, magic, or even transexual.

 

[Axel34]

Dick girl = Girl with a dick. Dick girls are summed up as hentai girls with penises. They can be from birth, magic, or even transexual.

With this only I agree, but the word "dickgirl" (as many others terms which included word "dick") has a negative information connotations. I don't think anyone want to be called "dickgirl" (like "cuntboy" also) non ironicaly. So "futa"/"futanari" is fine for this term (excluding trans/newhalfs)!

 

[super_slicer]

I don't think anyone want to be called "dickgirl" (like "cuntboy" also) non ironicaly. So "futa"/"futanari" is fine for this term (excluding trans/newhalfs)!

Who cares? You're not using it to describe an actual person. Anyone that DOES get bent out of shape over it is the type of person that is looking to be offended so they'll find something to whine over anyway. Moreover changing terminology over offense is silly as offense is subjective to begin with.

Clearly a futanari must have both sets of genitals to qualify and misusing the term makes it needlessly difficult for people who are interested in that to find it.

 

[Geralt_of_Trivia]

futanari are mythical creatures the etymology doesn't particularly apply because language changes as does the use of the word both in and outside the origin country.

Also did all the coom go to your heads in this thread? this is an porn pirating website why is this even a conversation. Dickgirl, futa who cares, it would take you less effort to dl the renpy editor and change the term yourself you are mixing porn tropes with real life definitions and using whatever blend is convenient to justify your opposing opinions

 

[Axel34]

You're not using it to describe an actual person. Anyone that DOES get bent out of shape over it is the type of person that is looking to be offended so they'll find something to whine over anyway.

Again: I was talking about how stupid it's feels like call someone a dickgirl in a fantasy universe, because it's not like describes sex as a normal (male/female), and sound like an offensive word for someone. Futa/Futanari is more appropriate for purpose of describing sex. That is why most game devs use term futa/futanari, and they are not wrong. Well, Alishia of course has a different opinion on this matter. And it is fine, it's her universe, but I simply find it silly. BTW, what else has she a different opinion on, otherwise than many others devs? Right, game development!

Clearly a futanari must have both sets of genitals to qualify and misusing the term makes it needlessly difficult for people who are interested in that to find it.

Clearly "futanari" is supernatural/fantasy concept of female with a dick. Not necessarily: with one dick, or with pussy, or with balls, or with sex fluids, or with possibility of getting pregnant (I wonder how anyone can figure this out without context )! That's how most people use this term already. And I also urge not misusing the term specifically for "your favorite type" from "your favorite universe". I mean not you personal here!

"Gathered Assboy, Cuntgirl and Dickbutt one fine day, and went straight to the bar... And there:

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[super_slicer]

Again: I was talking about how stupid it's feels like call someone a dickgirl in a fantasy universe, because it's not like describes sex as a normal (male/female), and sound like an offensive word for someone.

Offense is irrelevant. Moreover, dickgirl is an umbrella term created by persons who didn't care about specifics so they could shove content they weren't interested in into a neat box out of their sight.

Futa/Futanari is more appropriate for purpose of describing sex. That is why most game devs use term futa/futanari, and they are not wrong. Well, Alishia of course has a different opinion on this matter. And it is fine, it's her universe, but I simply find it silly. BTW, what else has she a different opinion on, otherwise than many others devs? Right, game development!

Because it refers to a specific thing; a sub-genre if you will, whereas dickgirl is a generalization. A good example would be when someone uses the term European instead of referring to a specific country of origin, Futanari would be a specific country within the area known as Dickgirls.

Clearly "futanari" is supernatural/fantasy concept of female with a dick. Not necessarily: with one dick, or with pussy,

Full stop. A futanari MUST have at least one vagina and at least one penis. There are a number of terms that can be used to denote something with feminine form yet lacking female genitalia: Shemale, Tranny, Newhalf, etc.

or with balls, or with sex fluids,

I guess they don't have to have sex fluids but... would be pretty uncomfortable for them.

or with possibility of getting pregnant

Full stop again. As they are hermaphrodites they are organisms that have both kinds of reproductive organs and can produce both gametes associated with male and female sexes.

futanari are mythical creatures the etymology doesn't particularly apply because language changes as does the use of the word both in and outside the origin country.

The language changes argument is nonsensical justification by people with ulterior motives. Language does change but it happens over the course of a long period of time and is seldom done with intent. For example if tomorrow a small group of people decided the word "STOP" meant "Do whatever you want" it would create chaos and their efforts would be rebuked by all of society. Or for a non-hypothetical look at how long some groups have been trying to "reclaim" certain racial slurs. Hasn't been very effective has it?

 

[HorizonD]

Why are people arguing about if futanari = hermaphroditism exist or not?
There are unfortunate people out there who have Hermaphrotism but neither sexual organ is fully developed.
What we are reading/seeing in VN's, stories, mangas, ...etc is just a fantastical idea for what is,
if they would be fully developed.

Whereas dickgirls, such in this VN (born as a woman with a dick), are in my opinion born from fantasy.

 

[Geralt_of_Trivia]

The language changes argument is nonsensical justification by people with ulterior motives. Language does change but it happens over the course of a long period of time and is seldom done with intent. For example if tomorrow a small group of people decided the word "STOP" meant "Do whatever you want" it would create chaos and their efforts would be rebuked by all of society. Or for a non-hypothetical look at how long some groups have been trying to "reclaim" certain racial slurs. Hasn't been very effective has it?

You clearly have a very set opinion on the matter and that is fine but do not accuse and discredit simply because you don't agree. (and not that it matters but reclamation of racial slurs is primary to normalize and reduce impact not remove the word but to disassociate the word from its original hateful use )

I have no ulterior motive (what you think I want to turn the frogs gay or something?) language changes quite frequently all the time on the internet (the space we are currently using to interact) and quite often with intent and yes it does create quite a lot of online (again the place we are talking to one another)chaos in. You are arguing to the effect of my point in the fact that this is an internet (you already know) forum. I could tell you I believe cheese falls from the sky instead of rain and someone might support me for the simple fact that they find the opinion funny. Again you are mixing two separate things and coming out with a convoluted conclusion. But seeing as you are on some rage boner directed rampage lets attempt to break it down for you;

Futanari
An old Japanese word which means one of two shapes in reference to a hermaphroditic person (which was the subject of the letter in which the word appeared). The term goes on to be used in folk tales and stories in which a character is androgynous and or sex-less. It was is also used in reference to gods who did not a embody a specific sex, which lead to a shared terminology in the use of the word hangetsu meaning halfmoon to describe certain people and/or divine beings

Hangetsu
I'm not going to get into this as its not moving towards where our discussion is as its a lengthy topic about deities and how they interact with themselves and humans. However a quick bastardised modern version of it can be found in the form of lunar gender, which to quickly summarise is a person who is genderfluid (not sex-fluid like the root idea)depending on the phase of the moon.

Androgyny as a usage
Its should come as no surprise that being able to disguised yourself as the opposite sex was useful for a great number of reason in japan; spy work, infiltration, honour, money, smuggling ect. It wasn't and uncommon thing for guards of certain office and station to encounter a woman smuggling something lodged in her vagina but due to the rules of their particular lord or depend on the group of guards themselves be unable to search her intimately. Which has recorded evidence of in the forms of stories pictures and poems questioning the smugglers sex.

How is all of that relevant
Other than the change in language and culture its not, at least not to us right now in this PORNOGRAPHIC WEBSITE OF PIRATED CONTENT. Regardless the tale of the futanari continues in its use as a tool in erotic fiction, lending its concept to actors and content creators and transsexual actors. You can find any number of examples of female actors using a strap-on or prosthetics to perpetuate the idea of a futanari.
Now this creates an interesting environment in the fact that what we have understood that not only did futanari reference an androgynous character but also a character of varying degrees of sexual organs. with that uncertainty entering a creative space you now have a term that address futanari in various states;

• very large clitoris used as substitute
• vagina with retractable penis
• penis and vagina with/without testicles
• no vagina with a very large penis
• completely male/female until affect by drugs or magic in which they take on any of the above traits
• Any other type of futanari concept you have seen

The onus of the depiction of the idea here is on the creator, the bounds of the concept they have chosen to explore is quite vast as its simple a being that calls their sex into question physically, Yet the most common emergence in a description of a futanari is a being that is feminine in all aspects bar their genitalia.

The online experience
The internet is filled with idiots, you and I are no exception. Its not unusually for something to be shared, misinterpreted and then have the misconception become a common assumption. A picture or word that means one thing to you one week by virtue of viral spread can then mean something completely different the following week, the eggplant emoji simply meant eggplant until it was reconceptualized to be used as something else that I don't even have to explain to you because we both already know and understand. Its a prime example of how quickly something can be applied a dual meaning in and online environment where people are constantly shortening and using slang to converse. Take a look at twich chat its an entire sub culture with its own visual language a popular new term added almost monthly.

To refocus on the original point
Futanari clearly has popular depiction on the internet, because of the nature of the internet, which is of a female character with both a penis and a vagina. However by virtue of evolution of the idea of the futanari that is not the only depiction nor is any particular depiction correct as our modern experience of them is whatever an artist or author chooses to show them as.

Because it refers to a specific thing; a sub-genre if you will, whereas dickgirl is a generalization. A good example would be when someone uses the term European instead of referring to a specific country of origin, Futanari would be a specific country within the area known as Dickgirls.

also this would be the other way around futanari would be the country, dickgirl would be region with intersex, newhalf, shemale transsexual and hermaphrodite as cities or towns.

 

[Geralt_of_Trivia]

Why are people arguing about if futanari = hermaphroditism exist or not?
There are unfortunate people out there who have Hermaphrotism but neither sexual organ is fully developed.
What we are reading/seeing in VN's, stories, mangas, ...etc is just a fantastical idea for what is,
if they would be fully developed.

Whereas dickgirls, such in this VN (born as a woman with a dick), are in my opinion born from fantasy.

people cant separate fictional concepts from real ones, its why giancarlo esposito has so many stories of him doing normal shit and having people terrified of him because they think he really is gustavo fring

 

[Axel34]

Geralt_of_Trivia
Wow! Just wow!

Why are people arguing about if futanari = hermaphroditism exist or not?
There are unfortunate people out there who have Hermaphrotism but neither sexual organ is fully developed.

Simple, "hermaphroditism" as a biological term and "hermaphroditism" as a medical term are unfortunately different things. We was talking about biological term when an organism has both kinds of fully functioning reproductive organs (or something like that). So when futanari with pussy and dick may fertilize and get pregnant, then that's correct call her (and her species, if there is such) hermaphrodite.

 

[XSupersensibleX]

Do most games that end up with the Abandoned tag just end up as chat rooms or some shit?

 

[myuhinny]

No only certain ones do for different reasons.