You clearly have a very set opinion on the matter and that is fine but do not accuse and discredit simply because you don't agree. (and not that it matters but reclamation of racial slurs is primary to normalize and reduce impact not remove the word but to disassociate the word from its original hateful use )
That's how a debate works. The motivations of the participants are subject to scrutiny. I'll flat-out state mine: Gatekeeping. I wish to minimize the amount of shemale that ends up being described as futanari so I don't have to see men with tits. ( and not that it matters but reclamation still hasn't occurred, those words cause great offense and much internet whining when directed at those who were the subject of the slur. I was never arguing that the words ceased to exist. )
I have no ulterior motive (what you think I want to turn the frogs gay or something?)
I think you want to inject other types of dickgirl porn into the category futanari because you either don't care about the specifics or are attempting to de-stigmatize porn that is even more niche by mislabeling it as something that has grown in popularity.
language changes quite frequently all the time on the internet (the space we are currently using to interact) and quite often with intent and yes it does create quite a lot of online (again the place we are talking to one another)chaos in. You are arguing to the effect of my point in the fact that this is an internet (you already know) forum.
I'm not really sure what you've said here, it doesn't make sense but I get the vague feeling you're attempting to claim that by making my argument on the internet it somehow inverts it? So I must respond with: no.
I could tell you I believe cheese falls from the sky instead of rain and someone might support me for the simple fact that they find the opinion funny.
That's not very relevant, consensus does not equate to fact. But if you really want to go that route: more people agree with me on the basis for this debate
https://f95zone.to/threads/futanari-and-dick-girls-shemale.3825/ by a rather large margin.
Again you are mixing two separate things and coming out with a convoluted conclusion. But seeing as you are on some rage boner directed rampage lets attempt to break it down for you;
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Sources would be really nice. I'll give you mine to be fair ;
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. A crowdsourced encyclopedia with multiple citations and THE authority on hentai doujinshi and manga for the western world, the medium through which the word and indeed concept was introduced to the rest of the world.
How is all of that relevant
Other than the change in language and culture its not, at least not to us right now in this PORNOGRAPHIC WEBSITE OF PIRATED CONTENT.
It's always relevant to me when people misuse words. Also it's a little annoying when someone engages in a conversation and continues to state that it isn't something that should be discussed in the space. Please pick a side.
Regardless the tale of the futanari continues in its use as a tool in erotic fiction, lending its concept to actors and content creators and transsexual actors.
This is exactly the kind of thing I'm gatekeeping against. When I search for futanari I REALLY don't want to find material of people who've twisted and butchered their bodies with chemicals and surgeries.
You can find any number of examples of female actors using a strap-on or prosthetics to perpetuate the idea of a futanari.
Now this creates an interesting environment in the fact that what we have understood that not only did futanari reference an androgynous character but also a character of varying degrees of sexual organs.
Nope, that point is still contested.
with that uncertainty entering a creative space you now have a term that address futanari in various states;
- very large clitoris used as substitute
- vagina with retractable penis
- penis and vagina with/without testicles
- no vagina with a very large penis
- completely male/female until affect by drugs or magic in which they take on any of the above traits
- Any other type of futanari concept you have seen
Yes, though I'd characterize that as a penis being substituted for a clitoris ( enlarged clit doesn't count as futanari, argue with the guys that like big clit stuff but not futanari, I didn't make that decision and since I'm gatekeeping futanari I feel compelled to not push against their gatekeeping of big clit.) Yes. Yes. No, that is hyper? shemale. No, that is genderbend.
The onus of the depiction of the idea here is on the creator, the bounds of the concept they have chosen to explore is quite vast as its simple a being that calls their sex into question physically, Yet the most common emergence in a description of a futanari is a being that is feminine in all aspects bar their genitalia.
No. You're confusing the usage of futanari and dickgirl. I don't have a direct citation for the definition of dickgirl BUT I do have an indirect one which we can use to infer it's use
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The online experience
The internet is filled with idiots, you and I are no exception. Its not unusually for something to be shared, misinterpreted and then have the misconception become a common assumption. A picture or word that means one thing to you one week by virtue of viral spread can then mean something completely different the following week, the eggplant emoji simply meant eggplant until it was reconceptualized to be used as something else that I don't even have to explain to you because we both already know and understand. Its a prime example of how quickly something can be applied a dual meaning in and online environment where people are constantly shortening and using slang to converse. Take a look at twich chat its an entire sub culture with its own visual language a popular new term added almost monthly.
Apologies, I don't engage in those parts of the internet one would refer to as "social media" ( because I've found that the idiots congregate there ) and have no idea what an eggplant could be other than an eggplant.
To refocus on the original point
Futanari clearly has popular depiction on the internet, because of the nature of the internet, which is of a female character with both a penis and a vagina. However by virtue of evolution of the idea of the futanari that is not the only depiction nor is any particular depiction correct as our modern experience of them is whatever an artist or author chooses to show them as.
I'm sorry but this just oozes post-modern subjectivism which is self-defeating when applied to linguistics. Individuals cannot communicate if the words they use do not have shared, objective definitions. Artists can draw whatever they want, nobody is arguing against that and using the proper definitions doesn't prevent that in fact there is NO downside to doing so. Whereas we can see a direct increase in the difficulty of people finding the content they want to view by allowing definitions to be subject to change.
also this would be the other way around futanari would be the country, dickgirl would be region with intersex, newhalf, shemale transsexual and hermaphrodite as cities or towns.
Please check my previous citations, they give a pretty strong argument that this is not the case.
honestly i prefer this to alishia-bashing and tot style moaning about lack of updates
As do I. Though I'm a bit surprised a certain ideolouge staff member hasn't showed up to nuke this.
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