Toxic Attraction DonSilver #Cuckold 8muses forum

[Psiber@mauvais]

Why do some people want the children in care as someone that’s been in that system you wouldn’t wish that shit on your worst enemy.

I think that, because, first: Its fiction and anything people wish for is for fantasy and erotica. Second: It has nothing to do with the children but Sarah doing the worst thing she can do as a mother, reject her children for her lover. It will be heavily taboo, due to that, and show the control that Lester holds over her -- enough to push her toward completely betraying her family, completely. I would rather see Dan forced to give up on his career and have to become a single parent as Sarah turns her back on Dan and his progeny. Then ending up with Lester, where she tells Dan that she will be raising Lester's children totally and completely as they are HIS children and therefore worth her love and attention, whereas her current children come from Dan's seed and are, due to his contribution to them, lacking in comparison and not worthy of her care. All of this is not true, even in a fictional way, just Lester and Sarah's way of making Dan pay while they leave, together.

 

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[Matthhs19]

I am thorn between the ending I want tbh.

I think it would be morbidly funny if Lester died of a heart attack the moment Sarah's pledges herself to him while he is atop of her. Maybe an overdose of Cheetos or something.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Also what was in the message and how it negated the need for Lester to enter the house?

“It looks like an opportunity to get past the Williams’ locked doors just presented itself.”

What was presented? I assume it’s more than Thornhill transferring Sarah to be Lester’s admin assistant. We know she will be subjected to constant sex and blowjobs but it doesn’t offer any answers on the birth control dilemma either.

Oh, I'm a firm believer this was either a foreclosure notice or a late payment notice for the house. Which allows Lester to either enter another devil's bargain with the couple or Sarah secretly. Assuming it will be the later, which would give Lester two leverage points - fear of losing the house and another blackmail/humiliation of dan opportunity for the secret.

 

[Verisimilinude]

I am thorn between the ending I want tbh.

I think it would be morbidly funny if Lester died of a heart attack the moment Sarah's pledges herself to him while he is atop of her. Maybe an overdose of Cheetos or something.

lol funny to consider, but unlikely that would be how DS writes it.

 

[powerconti]

I don't think Dan is a failure or a loser.
The opposite is the case!

Even if it is fiction: If someone has a family to feed, a house to pay off and loses their job in the middle of it - if they have any sense of responsibility, they would do anything (even if it means moving to another city) to find a halfway decent job to help the family make ends meet.
... And it is precisely with this awareness as a provident father and husband that Dan has accepted the job in Chicago, with the thought and intention of treating it as temporary until he finds a better job.

All his efforts are sabotaged and manipulated behind his back by Lester, as are his efforts to move to another flat.
As readers, we should keep that in mind!

It's therefore an absolute cheek to draw the conclusion that he's a failure!
His tendency - to share his wife ‘with older, sometimes disgusting men with a big sexual appetite’ - does not mean that he is a nerd or that he is not man enough.
That's a stupid assumption!

And if Sarah stays with Lester anyway and has a child that his dad calls Grandad because he'll be over 60, then she should go down that route - the grandad's club slut route ...
But I don't think so.

I also believe that Dan will soon find out about the whole plan and Lester's manipulations.
(Perhaps with the help of the security company and not least with the help of Jesse - after the photo in the hotel - after which he takes him to his chest and tears off his cock and then stuffs his mouth with it).

... And then that son of a bitch Lester's days will be numbered, because Dan will ‘see red’ as he goes on his revenge...

Any other option would be at odds with the character and the title of the story ...

 

[Chillie_Willie]

I can see a scenario where Dan gives up his dreams to become a full-time single parent after his marriage completely unravels. After his girls were teased by their classmates Dan will relocate to another state so they can heal from the bitter memories.
One can say Dan and Sarah having been slowly growing apart. They never work together during their time of crisis. Dan chose to work far away from home and his family even though it sounds like he had a unique skill set which a local engineering firm would appreciate. They chose not to keep the family together. That is a lot of martial stress.
Don portrayed Sarah with a sweet demeanor, but I bet she is your prototypical spoiled housewife. She was probably grew up in an upper middle class household and expected to continue that lifestyle when married to Dan. It’s was always about keeping up with the joneses as a suburban housewife. Like Sarah’s hospital job at the hospital, her daughters was nothing more than an accessory and validated her role as a strong feminist. This is apparent when she only cares about her status at the hospital and spends so little time with her daughters that she willingly pawns them off almost every weekend. With this reduction of income she notices Dan is unable to sustain the lifestyle she is accustomed too. The days of Starbucks, manicures, hair style appointments and new clothes are distant memories. There is a distinct possibility of living with her parents. With Lester’s assistance she she her husband as weak and ineffective and saddled with kids who keep her tied down to this life. She feels trapped as she doesn’t want to face this humiliation so Lester gives her an outlet towards freedom. He can provides her excitement and financial stability while Dan and their kids is a reminder of the despair. All it takes for to have anything she wants is submit herself completely and leave her old life behind. Women facing a midlife crisis cheat for less than that.

My ex wife is very similar to Sarah. She chose to abandon my son and I after he made the decision to live with me full time. It jumpstarted her lifestyle of dating, marrying and cheating with different men. And for your information I wasn’t anything like Dan, I knew when to eject and be there for my son. I can’t tell you the times she forgot his birthday, Christmas and even his graduation. So I would not put it past Sarah to easily abandon her kids.

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

Oh, I'm a firm believer this was either a foreclosure notice or a late payment notice for the house. Which allows Lester to either enter another devil's bargain with the couple or Sarah secretly. Assuming it will be the later, which would give Lester two leverage points - fear of losing the house and another blackmail/humiliation of dan opportunity for the secret.

I was all about this before Don changed the story to read that he got an email that made him realize he had a way into the house. The first version totally sounded like a forclosure, but now, it has to have something to do with work. Maybe Sarah takes a cut in pay, just in order to have a job and that new job is working under Lester (pun intended), in IT.

 

[Wife is Hot]

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[Psiber@mauvais]

I don't think Dan is a failure or a loser.
The opposite is the case!

Even if it is fiction: If someone has a family to feed, a house to pay off and loses their job in the middle of it - if they have any sense of responsibility, they would do anything (even if it means moving to another city) to find a halfway decent job to help the family make ends meet.
... And it is precisely with this awareness as a provident father and husband that Dan has accepted the job in Chicago, with the thought and intention of treating it as temporary until he finds a better job.

All his efforts are sabotaged and manipulated behind his back by Lester, as are his efforts to move to another flat.
As readers, we should keep that in mind!

It's therefore an absolute cheek to draw the conclusion that he's a failure!
His tendency - to share his wife ‘with older, sometimes disgusting men with a big sexual appetite’ - does not mean that he is a nerd or that he is not man enough.
That's a stupid assumption!

And if Sarah stays with Lester anyway and has a child that his dad calls Grandad because he'll be over 60, then she should go down that route - the grandad's club slut route ...
But I don't think so.

I also believe that Dan will soon find out about the whole plan and Lester's manipulations.
(Perhaps with the help of the security company and not least with the help of Jesse - after the photo in the hotel - after which he takes him to his chest and tears off his cock and then stuffs his mouth with it).

... And then that son of a bitch Lester's days will be numbered, because Dan will ‘see red’ as he goes on his revenge...

Any other option would be at odds with the character and the title of the story ...

I am not ragging on your opinion, it is not wrong, much as mine is not wrong. They are opinions based on our own thoughts and history and predilictions. The one question is how does Lester winning at odds with the title, Toxic Attraction?

 

[Chillie_Willie]

I am not ragging on your opinion, it is not wrong, much as mine is not wrong. They are opinions based on our own thoughts and history and predilictions. The one question is how does Lester winning at odds with the title, Toxic Attraction?

So true Psiber. We are entitled to our opinions and no one is more right than the other. However I do disagree with the other commenter. Unless I’m mistaken there is nothing suggested in the proseDan will have a major shift in his attitude and go medieval on Lester. Dan remains consistent in his indecisiveness and lacking backbone. His false bravado can usually intimate a person like Jesse, but does very little to the likes of Lester and Byron. Dan squandered his chance to establish dominance over Lester during his first uninvited house visit. Instead of punching Lester who was he cowering at the time, Dan held back and only threw Lester out. This inaction only emboldened Lester the next time he entered their house uninvited. Now Saran and Lester openly mock and defy Dan’s mandates at every opportunity. Don even admits in some alpha chapter introductions Dan would be the whipping boy and receive the worst outcomes

 

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[Verisimilinude]

I don't think Dan is a failure or a loser.
All his efforts are sabotaged and manipulated behind his back by Lester, as are his efforts to move to another flat.
As readers, we should keep that in mind!

In general I like a lot of your points, their grounded and thoughtful.

Sabotage/Manipulation: However regarding the statement, "behind his back" is not accurate. Yes Lester laid the tracks, engineered obstacles, sabotaged Dan's goals, and manipulated both of them to attain his goal. Sarah has a role in this as well, as she awakens to her desires. She subtly manipulates Dan to let scenarios play out (in the moment) that maybe he normally wouldn't have.

But Dan has to accept responsibility for his part as well. I haven't done the research so I don't know the exact percentage - but a lot of these manipulations have happened right in front of him. Which means he could have stepped up and stopped it but he didn't. Dan and Sarah have had multiple convos about his "inability" to stop things from happening and how he gets lost in his lust. He has a safe word but he's only used it once (iirc).

So to suggest that Dan is virtuous as a character and that all of this is happening to him with no control - seems disingenuous to me. Dan is not a white knight in this story, he is a willing, even if reluctantly, participant in what is occurring around him.

 

[Verisimilinude]

I was all about this before Don changed the story to read that he got an email that made him realize he had a way into the house. The first version totally sounded like a forclosure, but now, it has to have something to do with work. Maybe Sarah takes a cut in pay, just in order to have a job and that new job is working under Lester (pun intended), in IT.

Thanks must have missed the change.

 

[Verisimilinude]

It was always about keeping up with the joneses as a suburban housewife. Like Sarah’s hospital job at the hospital, her daughters was nothing more than an accessory and validated her role as a strong feminist. This is apparent when she only cares about her status at the hospital and spends so little time with her daughters that she willingly pawns them off almost every weekend.

Wow Chillie, this is a pretty harsh view of Sarah's character. There is so little written about the family unit home life, that it's hard to support a view of Sarah being a uncaring mother.

Let's address the "pawning off the kids." It was established from the beginning that her trips to Chicago were once every three weeks. I don't find this unreasonable- a lot of couples/single parent use grandparents/extended family as backup caregivers; need to run an errand, have a date night, or the occasional weekend get away. (I did some digging and yes the drop offs do become more frequent as the story progresses after Ch14.)

Regarding her status at the Hospital. Its been written that she takes pride in her work, she's an accomplished professional and her peers view her positively. She showed promise as a leader, was lead to believe she was being considered for a promotion and then didn't even get an interview. I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to want to be treated with respect and equality in the workplace, well, in all walks of life really.

Sarah as a Mother: Everything we've read (with noted exceptions) has shown Sarah to be a very loving and caring mother.

- Yes she had a weak moment in her office with Lester and the kids weren't picked up on time. It's not good, but it happens, regardless of the circumstances for a parent make mistakes.

- Yes she had a lapse of judgment where she entertained the idea of the kids living full time with grandparents while in the heat of the moment with Lester. Again not a good look but understandable.

- More questionable was her saying that her parents could look after them full-time when speaking to Dan.

- The worst example was Lester making her choose to ignore them for sex in the hospital parking lot. (Really bad but as written she knew the call/text was Dan, not kids.)

Does all this make her a bad mother, who views her children as obstacles? I don't think so. We can't judge her for things that aren't written about. For all we know "off page" she may spend all her free time spoiling the kids with her love, to make up for the times she is not around. What this does show is that she is a flawed individual, just like all humans. This in turn is what adds depth and realism to the fiction.

 

[Oresttitos]

Wow Chillie, this is a pretty harsh view of Sarah's character. There is so little written about the family unit home life, that it's hard to support a view of Sarah being a uncaring mother.

Let's address the "pawning off the kids." It was established from the beginning that her trips to Chicago were once every three weeks. I don't find this unreasonable- a lot of couples/single parent use grandparents/extended family as backup caregivers; need to run an errand, have a date night, or the occasional weekend get away. (I did some digging and yes the drop offs do become more frequent as the story progresses after Ch14.)

Regarding her status at the Hospital. Its been written that she takes pride in her work, she's an accomplished professional and her peers view her positively. She showed promise as a leader, was lead to believe she was being considered for a promotion and then didn't even get an interview. I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to want to be treated with respect and equality in the workplace, well, in all walks of life really.

Sarah as a Mother: Everything we've read (with noted exceptions) has shown Sarah to be a very loving and caring mother.

- Yes she had a weak moment in her office with Lester and the kids weren't picked up on time. It's not good, but it happens, regardless of the circumstances for a parent make mistakes.

- Yes she had a lapse of judgment where she entertained the idea of the kids living full time with grandparents while in the heat of the moment with Lester. Again not a good look but understandable.

- More questionable was her saying that her parents could look after them full-time when speaking to Dan.

- The worst example was Lester making her choose to ignore them for sex in the hospital parking lot. (Really bad but as written she knew the call/text was Dan, not kids.)

Does all this make her a bad mother, who views her children as obstacles? I don't think so. We can't judge her for things that aren't written about. For all we know "off page" she may spend all her free time spoiling the kids with her love, to make up for the times she is not around. What is does show is that she is a flawed individual, just like all humans. This in turn is what adds depth and realism to the fiction.

Sarah loses control over her behavior and actions with each chapter. Some ignoring of children has already happened, as you wrote about above. Lester will now be able to demand to ignore Dan's children more. I don't see a happy family Lester, pregnant Sarah, Dan's children, they definitely need to get rid of them by any means.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Sarah loses control over her behavior and actions with each chapter. Some ignoring of children has already happened, as you wrote about above. Lester will now be able to demand to ignore Dan's children more. I don't see a happy family Lester, pregnant Sarah, Dan's children, they definitely need to get rid of them by any means.

I think you missed my point. Of course she's losing control or what I would describe as her changing her behavior in regards to her sexual awakening. That's one key element of this story- a necessary one to show growth/progress.

But in regards to her being a "bad" Mother - there's only been one reference of Sarah doing something despicable in regards to her kids - the Hospital Carpark scene which happened in Ch23. The other three references show her as a flawed individual who made some questionable choices/mistakes in regards to her caregiving of the kids.

 

[Chillie_Willie]

Wow Chillie, this is a pretty harsh view of Sarah's character. There is so little written about the family unit home life, that it's hard to support a view of Sarah being a uncaring mother.

Let's address the "pawning off the kids." It was established from the beginning that her trips to Chicago were once every three weeks. I don't find this unreasonable- a lot of couples/single parent use grandparents/extended family as backup caregivers; need to run an errand, have a date night, or the occasional weekend get away. (I did some digging and yes the drop offs do become more frequent as the story progresses after Ch14.)

Regarding her status at the Hospital. Its been written that she takes pride in her work, she's an accomplished professional and her peers view her positively. She showed promise as a leader, was lead to believe she was being considered for a promotion and then didn't even get an interview. I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to want to be treated with respect and equality in the workplace, well, in all walks of life really.

Sarah as a Mother: Everything we've read (with noted exceptions) has shown Sarah to be a very loving and caring mother.

- Yes she had a weak moment in her office with Lester and the kids weren't picked up on time. It's not good, but it happens, regardless of the circumstances for a parent make mistakes.

- Yes she had a lapse of judgment where she entertained the idea of the kids living full time with grandparents while in the heat of the moment with Lester. Again not a good look but understandable.

- More questionable was her saying that her parents could look after them full-time when speaking to Dan.

- The worst example was Lester making her choose to ignore them for sex in the hospital parking lot. (Really bad but as written she knew the call/text was Dan, not kids.)

Does all this make her a bad mother, who views her children as obstacles? I don't think so. We can't judge her for things that aren't written about. For all we know "off page" she may spend all her free time spoiling the kids with her love, to make up for the times she is not around. What is does show is that she is a flawed individual, just like all humans. This in turn is what adds depth and realism to the fiction.

Let you in on a tale this is a fantasy story not reality. So anybody including Sarah can be the worst version of themselves. Since Don barely involves the kids into the storyline, it’s hard to say Sarah as a caring and loving mother. I’m sure the identifier was added for an element of taboo. Sarah is supposed to be a role model for the young girls on how to treat their future husbands. Were the kids the first in her mind when she was away or during the most important decisions of her life? No. Not one time did she take in account or have a deep moment of reflection on how these decisions would greatly affect the lives of people she loves or loves her, especially her daughters. She ignores those thoughts by choosing strange over her kids and husband. How do you say that as only a character flaw. There are no flaws in this just selfish acts. That is a definition of a terrible human because she is consciously destroying their family for someone who doesn’t give a crap about them. Those who justify their decisions at the moment only later to express regret, but only in the aftermath. Sorry I’m sure the girls were supportive knowing their mom was choosing to get her rocks off with a stranger over them or their dad. No real life kids get angry, depressed and blame themselves. Some take sides but most know their previous life and innocence is gone forever. Single adults can move on after a breakup or divorce, but those couples with children the aftershocks are far reaching. See it’s just easier to say Sarah is a bad mom. Sarah is acting more like a single mother who is dropping off the kids so she can go clubbing and some “me” time in Chicago. She made little effort trying to keep their nuclear family together. The most obvious were not bringing their daughters to Chicago or being worried about them or in constant communication. Because then the story would have been a buzzkill and turn off.

What if all this was on purpose. Everyone wants to put the blame squarely on Lester as the bad guy and Sarah as the victim. What if she was not the victim? What if Lester recognized something inside Sarah that he possesses in his soul? It just needed to be unlocked. What if she was as ruthless and conniving as Lester but she depressed those feelings while they simmered underneath the surface? Something that would pop up occasionally and be blamed for that time of month, etc. Now she gets to enact them without repercussions (not yet anyways). It goes back to Lester’s statement about Sarah being unrecognizable when Dan sees her next. By unlocking this inner beast Sarah transfers emotionally a female version of Lester. She develops the same fondness for kinks as her boyfriend. That is the reason why I want Sarah and Lester together so they become partners in crime unleashed on the world. To see them diabolically ruining other couples to get off on their kinks. Their goal of seducing the unsuspecting couple’s partner which in turn ends up destroys a marriage and family.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Let you in on a tale this is a fantasy story not reality. So anybody including Sarah can be the worst version of themselves. Since Don barely involves the kids into the storyline, it’s hard to say Sarah as a caring and loving mother. I’m sure the identifier was added for an element of taboo. Sarah is supposed to be a role model for the young girls on how to treat their future husbands. Were the kids the first in her mind when she was away or during the most important decisions of her life? No. Not one time did she take in account or have a deep moment of reflection on how these decisions would greatly affect the lives of people she loves or loves her, especially her daughters. She ignores those thoughts by choosing strange over her kids and husband. How do you say that as only a character flaw. There are no flaws in this just selfish acts. That is a definition of a terrible human because she is consciously destroying their family for someone who doesn’t give a crap about them. Those who justify their decisions at the moment only later to express regret, but only in the aftermath. Sorry I’m sure the girls were supportive knowing their mom was choosing to get her rocks off with a stranger over them or their dad. No real life kids get angry, depressed and blame themselves. Some take sides but most know their previous life and innocence is gone forever. Single adults can move on after a breakup or divorce, but those couples with children the aftershocks are far reaching. See it’s just easier to say Sarah is a bad mom. Sarah is acting more like a single mother who is dropping off the kids so she can go clubbing and some “me” time in Chicago. She made little effort trying to keep their nuclear family together. The most obvious were not bringing their daughters to Chicago or being worried about them or in constant communication. Because then the story would have been a buzzkill and turn off.

LOL Yes I know it's fiction. My point of view is of the character as written. I'll stand by my earlier point - so little is written about the home life that it's hard to support a negative view of Sarah's motherhood. Once we see in writing (which I assume we will) that she has turned to the dark side and kicked the kids to the curb, then I'll agree with you. Having said that I support the bulk of your discussion points if you take out kids and insert Dan. Doing that - absolutely she's choosing self over Dan.

On a personal note - I appreciate that we can debate without being disagreeable as individuals.

 

[swewx]

I think all our debates concerning to which direction this story should or could go are problably a waste of time (sorry for being so harsh), since there's little or no interaction between Sarah and Lester other than raw sex. In the begining Sarah and Dan used to talk a lot about each step, before and after, they took it. I have seen nothing close to this between Sarah and Lester.
So, it's hard to tell how Sarah really feels about everything that's happening.