- Nov 30, 2018
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That's good to hear it just felt a little sudden that she was acting that way.
- Oct 13, 2016
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This game has a LOT of potential!!
I love the setting and the girls already!
I love the setting and the girls already!
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- Oct 13, 2016
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you gotta choose the correct options to gain points with her
check here
https://f95zone.to/threads/tp-the-class-next-door-ep-3-v0-6-3-9thcrux.35827/page-21#post-3042483
Lovely start. Tiffany was so cute, looks and behaviour, that she really did make impression of a perfect daughter. Excellent job with that.
I really hope this has some kind of harem possibility. There's so many hot girls. Amy is the most beautiful and Alice (hot blonde, I hope I remember name right) is not far behind. Joan was quite hot also. Tiffany of course, and there's already few other girls that showed some interest towards MC. That blonde teacher wasn't bad either.
I took notes of few typoes that I saw during my playthrough:
MC
And certainly, I'm not gonig to start a relationship with a stranger. -> going
Marjory
Maybe I'm. -> Maybe I am.
Tiffany
--I can't say I haven't think about that.-- -> thought
Tiffany
Ok, I'll do it but at least turnaround, would you? -> turn around
Anyway, this was pleasant surprise and I hope I'll get to play this for a long time. Thanks for good job.
I really hope this has some kind of harem possibility. There's so many hot girls. Amy is the most beautiful and Alice (hot blonde, I hope I remember name right) is not far behind. Joan was quite hot also. Tiffany of course, and there's already few other girls that showed some interest towards MC. That blonde teacher wasn't bad either.
I took notes of few typoes that I saw during my playthrough:
MC
And certainly, I'm not gonig to start a relationship with a stranger. -> going
Marjory
Maybe I'm. -> Maybe I am.
Tiffany
--I can't say I haven't think about that.-- -> thought
Tiffany
Ok, I'll do it but at least turnaround, would you? -> turn around
Anyway, this was pleasant surprise and I hope I'll get to play this for a long time. Thanks for good job.
- May 9, 2019
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Just finished. I like it very much. Characters feel real and interesting so far. Love a good slow burn pacing. It makes me feel like decisions and story matter. I hope the scope keeps getting bigger without becoming too complex (game tree speaking, not because I don't like it, it is just that It usually means making the tree shorter as all decisions include too many branches. The curse of dimensionality).
My only critique is the awful text window. I usually use the transparent mode, but i tried to use the official text window as the color letters sometimes were hard to read. However, the text window is terrible!
Also, I would keep it a VN with no navigation at all. But that is just me.
Final note. Daria
. My god.. I know I have a thing for redheads but she is 11/10. Not just look but I loved the personality, attitude, background and everything. Totally best girl.
Having said that, I'm gonna follow this one very closely.
My only critique is the awful text window. I usually use the transparent mode, but i tried to use the official text window as the color letters sometimes were hard to read. However, the text window is terrible!
Also, I would keep it a VN with no navigation at all. But that is just me.
Final note. Daria
. My god.. I know I have a thing for redheads but she is 11/10. Not just look but I loved the personality, attitude, background and everything. Totally best girl.Having said that, I'm gonna follow this one very closely.
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Just subscribed to say thank you for your work 9thCrux . While I can invest in a slow-cooked story like this, I'm sure myself and your audience would expect great rewards from your labour, namely a 'harem'. Teasing us with a class full of hot babes only to go down a 'single route' is wasteful.
9thCrux already said there won't be a harem route.
I understand this decision because adding a harem route is a lot of work. There are 11 girls to pursue in the game which works out to 2047 possible combinations (2¹¹-1, or if you have another route where you stay alone, 2¹¹=2048 combinations). You would need to test all of them separately to confirm that they all work well together. There would need to be different interactions with girls depending on the number of romantic interests you have at the moment and so on. It's totally unrealistic.
Another reason is that it's hard to make such a route believable. Based on character introductions so far, it seems far fetched to expect some of the girls to accept a harem situation.
Best I think might be possible is to have a relationship with any of the other girls and still have a scene with Tiffany and/or Marjory. I don't think Mrs. Smith would approve a serious relationship between a teacher and multiple students at her school, let alone if one of those relationships was between a father and a daughter.
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Hmm, make a game like 1000s others, that is a thought but I got a better one, how about a developer makes there own game with there own story, that's the way to go, you like it or not from there.
Only thing wasteful is yours and my post here.
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Those numbers are assuming you can pick every single subset of girls. Most game have only the option of each girl, some specific subsets that make sense from story point of view (two sisters, for example) and full harem. And even if you do allow all girls, you can do it by having a main route and the interaction with each girl to be something that happens or not according to whether relationship is unlocked but regardless of that after it goes back to main route. Many games follow this logic. That keeps the curse of dimensionality more under control.
Still, I do think it makes sense to have no harem route. While I don't mind harem routes per se, I kind of dislike the "yes pleas fuck everybody, makes me happy about it" kind of logic that is usually used. On the contrary, quoting myself from a post in Ecchisense just yesterday, without conflict it is kind of pointless. And conflict is at the essence of drama. Like, why would I read a story that starts with "and they live happily ever after?" People usually dislike this comment of mine but I really find those stories so boring..
I am yet not sure what will be the focus of the game, as so far we are just getting into setting, but it gave the feeling that the game is trying for something more serious than another "everybody wants to fuck me" story. I do hope that does not imply "single girl routes only" in the sense that you can only pursue one at a time and it is more a "there will be conflict if you do fuck everyone freely" Like Tiffany already told you she wants you to be single, the teacher seems to be too straightforward to like you banging students and her at the same time. And Daria
seems to have too much personality to accept being anything less than number 1. Or to allow you to have different numbers even.Gotta wait and see, but I really hope Dev remains doing what he was doing, as the introductory chapters were very well done.
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Well, a story where you can pick any one girl or all eleven makes no sense (as you said, it's unlikely for most of them), so there would need to be subsets of girls that agree to be in a triangle (or whatever polygon you want).
Sure, it could be that the only difference is whether an interaction with a girl occurs if you're in a relationship, but that makes it obvious that there's no overarching story, just random scenes occurring one after another.
It would also be unrealistic in a way that there would need to be no mention of a relationship with girls B-K when talking to girl A (or you get back to the 2047 possible routes). If this is ignored, then it seems that the girls are stupid, blind and/or deaf to be completely oblivious to you other relationships.
Sure, it could be that the only difference is whether an interaction with a girl occurs if you're in a relationship, but that makes it obvious that there's no overarching story, just random scenes occurring one after another.
It would also be unrealistic in a way that there would need to be no mention of a relationship with girls B-K when talking to girl A (or you get back to the 2047 possible routes). If this is ignored, then it seems that the girls are stupid, blind and/or deaf to be completely oblivious to you other relationships.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but it's true only if you play a game competitively, where you achieve goals (banging a girl) along the way and the game is completed when you banged all of them.
And sure, some games are like that.
Other games try to tell a story. It looks like 9thCrux wants to tell eleven, twelve or thirteen stories with this game (eleven girls, staying alone, and who knows, going back together with your wife?). Completing a "route" for one girl implies you finished the game and either having sex with her is going to be an element of the story, or it's going to be The End and you can restart.
There are two positively ancient hentai games (published over 20 years ago), True Love and Season of the Sakura.
The first one is a free-roam dating simulator, I'd say it's the prototype of all later games of the type (there are other games that preceded it, but were not translated to English). You can have sex with all girls in the game (if you follow the walkthrough to the letter), but you pick one girl in the end, no harem ending.
The latter game is a visual novel where you can pursue many girls but once you pick a specific path and follow one of them, there's no going back -- it's part of the story and the story concludes with the player having sex with that one girl and gets an epilogue.
I have to admit that SotS was a much better game (visual novel) because of it. In TL, there was no conflict between girls except one just towards the very end. The game never acknowledged whether you had sex before or if it was your first, and none of the girls ever complained about you being a playa.
And sure, some games are like that.
Other games try to tell a story. It looks like 9thCrux wants to tell eleven, twelve or thirteen stories with this game (eleven girls, staying alone, and who knows, going back together with your wife?). Completing a "route" for one girl implies you finished the game and either having sex with her is going to be an element of the story, or it's going to be The End and you can restart.
There are two positively ancient hentai games (published over 20 years ago), True Love and Season of the Sakura.
The first one is a free-roam dating simulator, I'd say it's the prototype of all later games of the type (there are other games that preceded it, but were not translated to English). You can have sex with all girls in the game (if you follow the walkthrough to the letter), but you pick one girl in the end, no harem ending.
The latter game is a visual novel where you can pursue many girls but once you pick a specific path and follow one of them, there's no going back -- it's part of the story and the story concludes with the player having sex with that one girl and gets an epilogue.
I have to admit that SotS was a much better game (visual novel) because of it. In TL, there was no conflict between girls except one just towards the very end. The game never acknowledged whether you had sex before or if it was your first, and none of the girls ever complained about you being a playa.
- Oct 24, 2019
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so whats wrong with having a decent story that goes with a certain girl .. you meet get to know them and their backgrounds ... and then bang the hell out of them case closed ,, nice case i would say ... and besides the stories that goes with the girls are not bad either ..
- May 9, 2019
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I don't agree with this part. Having sex with a character is as much as development as going on a date, sharing a kiss, having a discussion or anything you can think. Some characters are casual towards sex, others are not. In other words, sex itself is just another feature of a story. If the story is all sex related is important, otherwise is not.
I know those game you mention, I played them both many years ago. They are, at most, fine in my opinion. Not because of a single girl ending. Because they are very straightforward and boring love stories. Best VN I can think, love sex and relationships are part of it and important but not the only drive. Muvluv, Steins Gate, Fata Morgana.
With the amount of information you just give there is nothing good or bad per se. Awesome stories and very boring and trivial ones can fit that. If it sounded like I claim one way or other that was not my intention. My only point is that I find those stories that are just "everybody wants to fuck me and everybody is ok that everybody wants to fuck" pretty boring if that is all they are about. Take for example Sisterly Lust, once everybody is ok you are banging everyone, the story is over. My only point is that for a story to be interesting there must be conflict. I don't mind a total everybody is ok with the harem if there is something else going on, but then is not the harem per se that is driving the story.
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- Oct 24, 2019
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With the amount of information you just give there is nothing good or bad per se. Awesome stories and very boring and trivial ones can fit that. If it sounded like I claim one way or other that was not my intention. My only point is that I find those stories that are just "everybody wants to fuck me and everybody is ok that everybody wants to fuck" pretty boring if that is all they are about. Take for example Sisterly Lust, once everybody is ok you are banging everyone, the story is over. My only point is that for a story to be interesting there must be conflict. I don't mind a total everybody is ok with the harem if there is something else going on, but them is not the harem per se that is driving the story.
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conflict is not necessary to make or break stories .... that i believe is a myth ... alot disagreements do happen and make for interesting stories as well....
With the amount of information you just give there is nothing good or bad per se. Awesome stories and very boring and trivial ones can fit that. If it sounded like I claim one way or other that was not my intention. My only point is that I find those stories that are just "everybody wants to fuck me and everybody is ok that everybody wants to fuck" pretty boring if that is all they are about. Take for example Sisterly Lust, once everybody is ok you are banging everyone, the story is over. My only point is that for a story to be interesting there must be conflict. I don't mind a total everybody is ok with the harem if there is something else going on, but them is not the harem per se that is driving the story.
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conflict is not necessary to make or break stories .... that i believe is a myth ... alot disagreements do happen and make for interesting stories as well....
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I mean conflict in a broad sense. Like there is something going on. Conflict not just between characters, a simple story could be all characters just trying to survive. But there is conflict in that sense. Being a Dik for example is just the guy having a great time but there is conflict in that his actions have repercusions that are not necessarily positive.
If a story is just a story about a harem and everybody is happy... what is there to tell beyond they wake up, they fuck , they live happily ever after? That is my simple point. Nothing more complex than that.
I don't know. Maybe it is just me. Forget I say everything and let me have more Daria As long as she appears I will play this game no matter what. But I seriously think that so far is going really really well.
If a story is just a story about a harem and everybody is happy... what is there to tell beyond they wake up, they fuck , they live happily ever after? That is my simple point. Nothing more complex than that.
I don't know. Maybe it is just me. Forget I say everything and let me have more Daria
As long as she appears I will play this game no matter what. But I seriously think that so far is going really really well.
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- Oct 24, 2019
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But that's not a visual novel. It's just a porn kinetic novel where you click to progress the story, not to influence it.
This is F95zone, of course sex is core of the game.
I mention them because they're iconic in a way.
They were the only two hentai games featured on HOTU (Home of the Underdogs) and later spread to other abandonware sites (posted along with oldwarez).
I fully grant that they are straightforward and stories they tell are boring. But I see elements from them in a lot of more recent dating sims/adult visual novels.
And you should expect games released 26/28 years after them to be significantly better in all regards. Better graphics, yes, but also a complex and involving story, improved mechanics of the game, choices that actually matter, build-up to events rather than existing preset events, better sound and music, all of that.
However, a lot of recent games only feature better graphics. Stories are bland and repetitive, leading up to sex through meaningless choices (all ending up at the same conclusion), no game to speak of and scripted events that don't trigger because of bugs caused by laziness. All without any sound or music.
Sure there are exceptions. But even then, there are games which have 10,000 lines of text, two thousand of which are conversations and narration and eight thousand are descriptions of sex scenes. And there are 1000 images, but all non-sexual interactions are handled by the same repeating 20 images and the rest are sex scenes from every possible angle or frames of animation.
It feels like we have taken a step back. And people accept and cherish that!
This game is a perfect example of what those people are looking for. There's a long lead-in, the story is slow burn and there are people who complain that they want sex scenes already, based only on the renderings they've seen so far.
There's an involving story which we can expect will lead to sex. But sex is going to be icing on the cake and there will be an actual cake. A lot of games are just icing without any substance. Just sugar that leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
(The gripe I have with patron-funded games is that they spend a long time in development and end up costing way more than what a commercial game would cost.)
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