VN Ren'Py Triple Ex [v0.23] [Azrayal]

[TundraLupus]

I don't see that happening, but I hope she can at least be put in her place. My understanding is that the dev sees Deb banging someone who's been flirting with the MC and sending him video feed of it as something "playful", when if you add the constant humiliation and undermining he takes from her, we are talking about cuckolding at it's finest. Especially when he's jerking off watching it! Even if they end up having a threesome (hopefully 100% avoidable) it would be just her wanting a threesome and throwing a bone to her little bitch as a side effect... And that's without even considering that Deb is also sort of his gf (we've seen her insisting that he should move in with her, and she's supposedly madly in love with him) and she keeps flirting/groping/banging other people and all that while she got jealous of a stewardess for just being polite!

Once again, if it was the MC behaving this way, Deb's fans would have called him a creep, pervert and many more...

I'll say this, we should have the option to at least not masturbate, that much is for sure, besides that, I'm not gonna get into this again, but I'll agree that if she comes with her jealousy again I'll want an option to tell her to fuck off since you know, equal rights and all, besides that I would like an opportunity to sit her down, or maybe during a sparing session, to actually have a conversation with her about her behavior without the Mc looking like an overaggressive dick, seriously the guy is either way to passive or slamming people against the wall, I want a midterm. Which results, I'll agree there, so far think there is no results because the MC is just overly aggressive, which makes her want to get back at him, being aggressive doesn't give you authority.

 

[Glooskabe]

I don't see that happening, but I hope she can at least be put in her place. My understanding is that the dev sees Deb banging someone who's been flirting with the MC and sending him video feed of it as something "playful", when if you add the constant humiliation and undermining he takes from her, we are talking about cuckolding at it's finest. Especially when he's jerking off watching it! Even if they end up having a threesome (hopefully 100% avoidable) it would be just her wanting a threesome and throwing a bone to her little bitch as a side effect... And that's without even considering that Deb is also sort of his gf (we've seen her insisting that he should move in with her, and she's supposedly madly in love with him) and she keeps flirting/groping/banging other people and all that while she got jealous of a stewardess for just being polite!

Once again, if it was the MC behaving this way, Deb's fans would have called him a creep, pervert and many more...

I don't actually even WANT Deb to be out of the story. I'd like some kind of either a) redemption for her b) turning the tables/putting her in her place. What I want most, though, is for the MC to be portrayed in a reasonable, semi-realistic way. His characterization makes no fucking sense at all for reasons that have been beat to death hundreds of times in the discussion above.

I am also very, very leery of the fact that basically ALL progress with the daughter (at least as represented by the point system which is a blunt tool at best) involve hits to Willpower. There haven't been a lot of consequences for that yet, but I feel like that's a ticking time-bomb. I think I'm at something like -22 Willpower and Milly's relationship score is still -9 or some such.

 

[Rinbael]

At first i had discussed the Deb issue, but now i just sit back and laugh at the hate comments, my goodness i never seen so much hate for a character, now for what i really want to talk about, and i think this should be the focus for those complaining as well, unless you are the type of hypocrite that wants a harem where the girls are not free to do as they wish and have the same rights as the MC, I really, really would like to have more imput in what the character wants to do sexually or his ideals, like, there is no way in hell, earth, jupiter on the surface of the sun where i would say no to a threesome with Julia, and as i said before, the whole there is honor in following blindly, also just to pile-on the whole sweep kick in the beginning, really, just change the results between options, because that kick would for sure make the guy shoot his gun, just out reflex if nothing else, maybe not if he had his finger out of the trigger, but then the first action would make more sense either way.

I agree with you completely about having more choices for the MC both sexually and personality wise the main one being not wanting to bang your daughter and just be a good dad to her. I don't want a harem and I personally don't like games where I'm forced to have one I prefer monogamous relationships in my porn games since I really like romance over everything else

I hate how the MC acts like a complete creep and pervs on all the women I mean the dude starts wanking off while talking to his mum it's so stupid. I personally wasn't that interested in the maid so I hope there is an option to avoid banging her if you want to. I agree with the sweep kick looking stupid but I think it is a buyable pose in Daz since I have seen it in other games.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

I'll say this, we should have the option to at least not masturbate, that much is for sure, besides that, I'm not gonna get into this again, but I'll agree that if she comes with her jealousy again I'll want an option to tell her to fuck off since you know, equal rights and all, besides that I would like an opportunity to sit her down, or maybe during a sparing session, to actually have a conversation with her about her behavior without the Mc looking like an overaggressive dick, seriously the guy is either way to passive or slamming people against the wall, I want a midterm. Which results, I'll agree there, so far think there is no results because the MC is just overly aggressive, which makes her want to get back at him, being aggressive doesn't give you authority.

I have mixed feelings about sitting Deb down. Like I agree he probably shouldn't be choke slamming her into a wall,but Deb doesn't too me seem like someone who learns from regular interactions. Like chick is a mess. It doesn't help that MC has some serious hurr durr durr moments every other scene though. They are not a healthy family,if the incestous relation between Deb and MC,and the apparent lesbian relationship between MC's mom and his Aunt are anything to go by.

1000 percent agree that if I was given a choice no way on earth would MC be masturbating to the Deb Julia thing. Was disapointed that after skipping the scene,I still had to look at it. Like what kind of bullshit was that.

 

[TundraLupus]

I have mixed feelings about sitting Deb down. Like I agree he probably shouldn't be choke slamming her into a wall,but Deb doesn't too me seem like someone who learns from regular interactions. Like chick is a mess. It doesn't help that MC has some serious hurr durr durr moments every other scene though. They are not a healthy family,if the incestous relation between Deb and MC,and the apparent lesbian relationship between MC's mom and his Aunt are anything to go by.

1000 percent agree that if I was given a choice no way on earth would MC be masturbating to the Deb Julia thing. Was disapointed that after skipping the scene,I still had to look at it. Like what kind of bullshit was that.

I'll not use Incest as a measure to how healthy someone is mentaly, because it depends greatly, but yeah, they are not, that is shown not by the incest, but by their acts and how they think, now when I say sit down I mean an actual conversation, one where the Mc is firm enough to get her to stop joking around, and prevent her from leaving, without the slamming, she doesn't seem unreachable, as I said when the MC talks normally she somewhat listens, but if he is overaggressive then she doesn't and tries to actually get back at him, sadly we don't really have a non-aggressive way so far, besides when he asks her not to fuck his daughter, something she listened to.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

I don't actually even WANT Deb to be out of the story. I'd like some kind of either a) redemption for her b) turning the tables/putting her in her place. What I want most, though, is for the MC to be portrayed in a reasonable, semi-realistic way. His characterization makes no fucking sense at all for reasons that have been beat to death hundreds of times in the discussion above.

I am also very, very leery of the fact that basically ALL progress with the daughter (at least as represented by the point system which is a blunt tool at best) involve hits to Willpower. There haven't been a lot of consequences for that yet, but I feel like that's a ticking time-bomb. I think I'm at something like -22 Willpower and Milly's relationship score is still -9 or some such.

That's a good point about the willpower thing. And I'm little concerned too see what the end game is there. Like I don't see that ending well for MC,because pretty much nothing does.

 

[eddie987]

I don't actually even WANT Deb to be out of the story. I'd like some kind of either a) redemption for her b) turning the tables/putting her in her place. What I want most, though, is for the MC to be portrayed in a reasonable, semi-realistic way. His characterization makes no fucking sense at all for reasons that have been beat to death hundreds of times in the discussion above.

I am also very, very leery of the fact that basically ALL progress with the daughter (at least as represented by the point system which is a blunt tool at best) involve hits to Willpower. There haven't been a lot of consequences for that yet, but I feel like that's a ticking time-bomb. I think I'm at something like -22 Willpower and Milly's relationship score is still -9 or some such.

Honestly I'm so confused with the point system, I'm playing every update with the script open and the console enabled, so I don't miss anything interesting.

About her redemption... I don't see that happening for me anymore. Banging Julia was the last straw and I don't care for either of them anymore. Again, when you love someone so much, you try to get them in bed, no the person they've been flirting with and then rub it in their face. Like I said, I'm quite sure at this point that the dev thinks of that as something playful, and that everyone is into some girl on girl action so it should be hot, but it's really not! When I dislike a character so much (and it's obvious that I'm not the only one), the last thing I want, is for them to get one of the main girls if not any action at all!

What I want to see is the MC putting her in her place or send her away, which I highly doubt it will happen, since the dev is obviously in love with this character and considers everything she does to be just her "antics".

 

[Rinbael]

besides when he asks her not to fuck his daughter, something she listened to.

Going by what we have seen that probably won't last long Milly clearly wants to fuck Deb and Deb clearly wants to fuck her so I don't see Deb listening to the MC forever. Which is another issue I have with the writing.

About her redemption... I don't see that happening for me anymore. Banging Julia was the last straw and I don't care for either of them anymore. Again, when you love someone so much, you try to get them in bed, no the person they've been flirting with and then rub it in their face. Like I said, I'm quite sure at this point that the dev thinks of that as something playful, and that everyone is into some girl on girl action so it should be hot, but it's really not! When I dislike a character so much (and it's obvious that I'm not the only one), the last thing I want, is for them to get one of the main girls if not any action at all!

My problem with the Julia Deb thing is that it wasn't as if Deb won her over by charming and wooing her she constantly groped and sexually assaulted her till Julia decided to fuck her it was kind of Weinsteinesque in my opinion.

 

[Glooskabe]

That's a good point about the willpower thing. And I'm little concerned too see what the end game is there. Like I don't see that ending well for MC,because pretty much nothing does.

A thought that I just had is that this whole story could be a morality play about the evils of incest... If you perv on your daughter, your relationship improves, but it looks like it could lead to a bad end. Maybe in the high willpower scenario, there will be opportunities for bigger jumps with well placed good decisions leading to a "more healthy" father/daughter relationship. As for Deb, I'll have to study the script a bit to see how her relationship fares with that kind of anti-incest worldview. I have a feeling it will be i the toilet in that scenario as much as it currently is. The only way to have a "good" relationship with her points-wise is to completely indulge her every want and desire even moreso than he already does.

Anyone else have thoughts on this idea?

 

[eddie987]

My problem with the Julia Deb thing is that it wasn't as if Deb won her over by charming and wooing her she constantly groped and sexually assaulted her till Julia decided to fuck her it was kind of Weinsteinesque in my opinion.

Not only Julia. She acts like a cunt and everyone seems ready to open their legs for her in an instant... Only thing missing is renaming her Jamal or Tyrone...

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

A thought that I just had is that this whole story could be a morality play about the evils of incest... If you perv on your daughter, your relationship improves, but it looks like it could lead to a bad end. Maybe in the high willpower scenario, there will be opportunities for bigger jumps with well placed good decisions leading to a "more healthy" father/daughter relationship. As for Deb, I'll have to study the script a bit to see how her relationship fares with that kind of anti-incest worldview. I have a feeling it will be i the toilet in that scenario as much as it currently is. The only way to have a "good" relationship with her points-wise is to completely indulge her every want and desire even moreso than he already does.

Anyone else have thoughts on this idea?

That would actually be a pretty nifty development. I'm not sure how likely it is though because it would almost involve branching though,and this has been pretty much a straight kinetic novel so far. Like no disrespect to the Dev,but I don't think he wants branches.

 

[TundraLupus]

Going by what we have seen that probably won't last long Milly clearly wants to fuck Deb and Deb clearly wants to fuck her so I don't see Deb listening to the MC forever. Which is another issue I have with the writing.


My problem with the Julia Deb thing is that it wasn't as if Deb won her over by charming and wooing her she constantly groped and sexually assaulted her till Julia decided to fuck her it was kind of Weinsteinesque in my opinion.

Then she will have fucked up twice(not because they fucked per se, but because she broke her word), and I'll jump on the hate wagon with you guys, but I'll wait and see.

Well I do remember them having a deep conversation or two, but I'll admit it was rather quick, but my guess is that it was more of a "hey, let's fuck my brother, oh, he doesn't want to, well, his lost", or at least that is most of what I got from that, so much so that Julia is surprised once the MC says he's not joining.

 

[Glooskabe]

Going by what we have seen that probably won't last long Milly clearly wants to fuck Deb and Deb clearly wants to fuck her so I don't see Deb listening to the MC forever. Which is another issue I have with the writing.


My problem with the Julia Deb thing is that it wasn't as if Deb won her over by charming and wooing her she constantly groped and sexually assaulted her till Julia decided to fuck her it was kind of Weinsteinesque in my opinion.

I also thought the line as Deb was ushering her to the bedroom about why MC refused ("You never mentioned that MC wasn't interested! Did he say why, is it me?") was telling... She sounds disappointed that MC wasn't interested. For her part, Deb avoids the question. Up until now, Julia's interest in Deb has been luke-warm at best so why is she going along with this if the one she's interested in is MC? It isn't like MC has shown zero interest in her. He flirts with her on several occasions.

 

[eddie987]

A thought that I just had is that this whole story could be a morality play about the evils of incest... If you perv on your daughter, your relationship improves, but it looks like it could lead to a bad end. Maybe in the high willpower scenario, there will be opportunities for bigger jumps with well placed good decisions leading to a "more healthy" father/daughter relationship. As for Deb, I'll have to study the script a bit to see how her relationship fares with that kind of anti-incest worldview. I have a feeling it will be i the toilet in that scenario as much as it currently is. The only way to have a "good" relationship with her points-wise is to completely indulge her every want and desire even moreso than he already does.

Anyone else have thoughts on this idea?

I'm not sure about the MC points (I think that's the variable, I don't have the script avaliable right now, but I'm talking about the points you get when you don't play her bitch for 5 seconds or so...) and if they're gonna come handy at some point. I think the willpower will indicate if you're gonna get into a relationship with Milly or not, althought I'm not sure it will be optional. I'd like a path where you can just be a good father for her, but I'm pretty sure that would just get her a place in Deb's harem even sooner.

 

[Glooskabe]

I'm not sure about the MC points (I think that's the variable, I don't have the script avaliable at this point, but I'm talking about the points you get when you don't play her bitch for 5 seconds or so...) and if their gonna come handy at some point. I think the willpower will indicate if you're gonna get into a relationship with Milly or not, althought I'm not sure it will be optional. I'd like a path where you can just be a good father for her, but I'm pretty sure that would just get her a place in Deb's harem even sooner.

Yeah, I think the MC variable is measuring how much he is looking out for and acting on his own interests. You might be right about the Willpower variable since it seems to be so tied to Milly's points.

 

[Rinbael]

A thought that I just had is that this whole story could be a morality play about the evils of incest... If you perv on your daughter, your relationship improves, but it looks like it could lead to a bad end. Maybe in the high willpower scenario, there will be opportunities for bigger jumps with well placed good decisions leading to a "more healthy" father/daughter relationship. As for Deb, I'll have to study the script a bit to see how her relationship fares with that kind of anti-incest worldview. I have a feeling it will be i the toilet in that scenario as much as it currently is. The only way to have a "good" relationship with her points-wise is to completely indulge her every want and desire even moreso than he already does.

Anyone else have thoughts on this idea?

I was playing with the walk through mod and was confused why every good choice was the perv choice so far there doesn't seem to be any choices that require points so it might be pointless but I will admit it kind of worries me that you could get a bad end by not being a creep to your daughter.

The Deb thing I'm not that bothered since I hate her so I don't care about her points and I hope you will be able to break up with her at some point.

Well I do remember them having a deep conversation or two, but I'll admit it was rather quick, but my guess is that it was more of a "hey, let's fuck my brother, oh, he doesn't want to, well, his lost", or at least that is most of what I got from that, so much so that Julia is surprised once the MC says he's not joining.

She randomly decides to finger Julia when she isn't looking and makes some stupid joke I personally find that kind of creepy but I might be misremembering.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

Is there any woman in the game besides Astrid and the chick you wake up next to in the begining and never see again who's not confirmed as bi sexual?

 

[Raziel_8]

I'll not use Incest as a measure to how healthy someone is mentaly, because it depends greatly, but yeah, they are not, that is shown not by the incest, but by their acts and how they think, now when I say sit down I mean an actual conversation, one where the Mc is firm enough to get her to stop joking around, and prevent her from leaving, without the slamming, she doesn't seem unreachable, as I said when the MC talks normally she somewhat listens, but if he is overaggressive then she doesn't and tries to actually get back at him, sadly we don't really have a non-aggressive way so far, besides when he asks her not to fuck his daughter, something she listened to.

Honestly i doubt she will understand or change just because MC talks normal to her...

At the beginning, we see her having fun riling up the mc at the phone, while he says she should stop..no effect.
He ask her to let the daughter alone...yeah also has not really an effect, thought she hasn't fucked her yet...
She seems to have fun to humiliat and undermining the Mc at every chance and don't let me start with her blaming all the shit on Mc while she plays the saint, despite being in contact with his ex and daughter the whole time.
So far the only time she actual took the Mc serious is when he slammed her into the wall...

I'm curious how the Mc will react when he finds out Deb was in contact with wife/daughter all time and probably involved with the lie the wife told the daughter...

 

[Rinbael]

I also thought the line as Deb was ushering her to the bedroom about why MC refused ("You never mentioned that MC wasn't interested! Did he say why, is it me?") was telling... She sounds disappointed that MC wasn't interested. For her part, Deb avoids the question. Up until now, Julia's interest in Deb has been luke-warm at best so why is she going along with this if the one she's interested in is MC? It isn't like MC has shown zero interest in her. He flirts with her on several occasions.

I don't know it makes no sense and I'm probably going to put it down to bad writing and the power of Saint Deb because I can't think of any other reason.

Is there any woman in the game besides Astrid and the chick you wake up next to in the begining and never see again who's not confirmed as bi sexual?

We still don't know if Astrid is Bi or not but when I play porn VNs I just assume every woman is Bi since I don't think I've played one game where a woman straight up says "I'm straight and have no interest in women".

 

[Glooskabe]

Is there any woman in the game besides Astrid and the chick you wake up next to in the begining and never see again who's not confirmed as bi sexual?

There are some suggestions that Kumiko might be, but is she confirmed? (I just tried to skim through the script of the extended sequence at Kumi's home, but my eyes are crossing...) Yuki said something about eating MC's cum out of Kumi's pussy so I'd say she's confirmed...