VN Ren'Py Triple Ex [v0.23] [Azrayal]

[pochops]

Yea I absolutely agree with this, looking at what was added my thought on their plan was, 'WTF this is bullshit' because it should have 100% not worked. The notion that his wife leaving would silence him is ridiculous, unless he was threaten to silence, if he was sent a message saying you either shut up or your wife and child die, it would have quite possibly worked and been SO MUCH SIMPLER, but only so far as both are left unharmed. What happened instead in the story is absolutely non-sense. Without that pressure what should have happened is the EXACT other way around, it would have made him believed he had nothing left to lose anymore so he would have magnified the attempts to speak out, not silence himself up, Hell it should have quite possibly led him to suicide, the entire plan is one pure pile of shite.

Also did they not think about the long term effects of their plan? Let's say it works as they expect, what happen afterward? When he is out, what stop him from going to a journalist and spill everything? Again without his wife and child around it would have led him if anything to feel like he had nothing to live for except vengeance, they should have made sure if anything they came back to him the moment he was out otherwise it might just drive him to possibly take a path for FAR worst, killing the husband of his wife if found, turning traitor to his country, leaving and disappearing in some other foreign country, quite possibly along with that finding a foreign journalist and spilling the beans about all his country's dirt to the public anyway. The only way to keep him at that point from exploding is to give him some form of either retribution or compensation, but he got absolutely none, he still had lost everything that mattered, by all logic he should have exploded and done something extreme.

He ultimately is completely entitled to his fury all things considered, Hell it should been worst since their plan basically led to his wife's death. A little something he seem to have not thought about, if anything now he should forsworn his entire family else than his daughter, because their plan not only ruined his life, even if it kept him alive, but it also led to the death of his wife. The notion that everyone else that learn of the betrayal by his family is seemingly taking the side of his family rather than him is non-sense, they should understand he is the victim in this affair, not the guilty party.

Oh and seriously the whole thing about how much his father sacrificed is a farce, 'oh he quit the army so you could stay in a lesser prison' seriously? So what? He spent years in prison, also he was army, I consider that to be nearly worst than prison to begin with anyway, also he would have been in a military prison, and I think military prisons are one size fit all, they don't have a 'minimum security' and 'maximum security' version of military prisons, I believe they tend to make them all with the notion those are very dangerous individuals, you know, being trained killers and all, so the whole thing about him being left in a lesser prison over his father's sacrifice is ridiculous, their wouldn't have been a 'worst' prison for him to be sent at.

I think you're overcomplicating things. The message is a simple one - it ain't wise to completely close yourself off from the input of those around you, even when you believe you're the smartest one in the room. That's what the mc did repeatedly, and he fucked himself. Now that he's opening himself up, we can get into some hot, sweaty incestuous fourways with sis, daughter, and mam. Hopefully, Astrid will be cool with the debauchery that's about to ensue, because I'd like to keep her in the mix.

 

[TundraLupus]

I may have skip the line about it but

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they didn't, not really, but I believe it is because the ex decided to marry the other dude and that fucked their whole plan up.

 

[linkinn]

I think you're overcomplicating things. The message is a simple one - it ain't wise to completely close yourself off from the input of those around you, even when you believe you're the smartest one in the room. That's what the mc did repeatedly, and he fucked himself. Now that he's opening himself up, we can get into some hot, sweaty incestuous fourways with sis, daughter, and mam. Hopefully, Astrid will be cool with the debauchery that's about to ensue, because I'd like to keep her in the mix.

Sure, everything is his fault so let's fuck people that fuck and abuse you over and over, that's exactly what a beta MC needs to evolve from beta to ... ??? Great character development, from beta to ...

 

[Lady Lydia]

I think you're overcomplicating things. The message is a simple one - it ain't wise to completely close yourself off from the input of those around you, even when you believe you're the smartest one in the room. That's what the mc did repeatedly, and he fucked himself. Now that he's opening himself up, we can get into some hot, sweaty incestuous fourways with sis, daughter, and mam. Hopefully, Astrid will be cool with the debauchery that's about to ensue, because I'd like to keep her in the mix.

Overcomplicating things? No. The message you are saying? Its bullshit, he went to prison for doing the right thing, than he was willing to take the fall to keep doing the right thing, his family betrayed him and the plan they came up with was for THEIR interest, not his, he wanted to reveal the dirt his country had for the sake of justice. They are the ones that weren't listening, he was in the right and they were the ones siding with the wrong, what they did was further punishing him for their sake. They use the excuse its for his sake, but what he was doing was for the sake of the many innocent people to have suffered and died. The need of the many outweighs the needs of the few.

 

[TundraLupus]

I think the point of the story is to show that everyone is to blame and that they are all idiots, I mean they had good intentions but they are all dumb asses that are shit at communicating, I understand the anger of a lot of you guys, and i also understand the ones that are perfectly fine with how things happened so far, I'm somewhere in the middle myself, but the point of the story is obvious so far and hey maybe let's settle down a little bit, yeah some of you want to tell the family to fuck off, some are okay with them staying and some like me want to tell them to go fuck themselves because they are as much to blame as the MC but still give them a second chance, but let's not get into the hate train as we see here every update, this is something yall should be expecting by now.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

Actually, mate, I did while serving with the USMC Defense Force. However, that was 1982-1985. I guess times have changed along with attitudes. I did not post to get into a debate or banter...just my opinion.

So the USMC defense force??? Lmfao get out of here. No one says the USMC Defense force who's actually been in the military.

Source :US Army Vet 2000-2006. 3rd infantry division,7th cavalry MOS 19 Delta Ft. Stewart Georgia

 

[eddie987]

Sure, everything is his fault so let's fuck people that fuck and abuse you over and over, that's exactly what a beta MC needs to evolve from beta to ... ??? Great character development, from beta to ...

Hey, there are 24 letters in the greek alphabet and beta is just the second one! He has plenty of room to "evolve".

 

[linkinn]

Hey, there are 24 letters in the greek alphabet and beta is just the second one! He has plenty of room to "evolve".

He'll need all the letters he can to get somewhere at this point, too bad there is no greek letter called dignity, he would maybe find it them.

As i'am no masochist i'am retiring myself from this thread and the game, good luck.

 

[pochops]

Overcomplicating things? No. The message you are saying? Its bullshit, he went to prison for doing the right thing, than he was willing to take the fall to keep doing the right thing, his family betrayed him and the plan they came up with was for THEIR interest, not his, he wanted to reveal the dirt his country had for the sake of justice. They are the ones that weren't listening, he was in the right and they were the ones siding with the wrong, what they did was further punishing him for their sake. They use the excuse its for his sake, but what he was doing was for the sake of the many innocent people to have suffered and died. The need of the many outweighs the needs of the few.

Yeah, you're right about mc's intentions. I'm referring to his attitude of not considering input and exploring other possibilities. It was his way or the highway. Maybe there were smarter ways to get back at his enemies. By the way, I'm not even referring just to his wrongful imprisonment. It turns out that instead of carrying on an incestuous affair with his sis behind his wife's back for years, he could've just told the truth, and wifey would've accepted it. He could've been having threeways with wifey and sis the whole fucking time. From my perspective, it turns out sis, the character everyone loves to hate, is the most sympathetic character in the whole story.

 

[pochops]

Sure, everything is his fault so let's fuck people that fuck and abuse you over and over, that's exactly what a beta MC needs to evolve from beta to ... ??? Great character development, from beta to ...

It's funny I'm seeing things differently. I see him as a former alpha dude who didn't listen to anybody or cared what anyone thinks, to now evolving to what some might call a type of "beta" who is willing to open himself up to the feelings of others.

 

[Content_Consumer]

I may have skip the line about it but

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Exactly, I already posted about this earlier, but I agree that there has been no reason given why they kept them apart for some many years after.
I'd said that that is what is making it unforgivable now and why I wouldn't want anything to do with them, the whole family other than the daughter can go get lost.

 

[pochops]

I think the point of the story is to show that everyone is to blame and that they are all idiots, I mean they had good intentions but they are all dumb asses that are shit at communicating, I understand the anger of a lot of you guys, and i also understand the ones that are perfectly fine with how things happened so far, I'm somewhere in the middle myself, but the point of the story is obvious so far and hey maybe let's settle down a little bit, yeah some of you want to tell the family to fuck off, some are okay with them staying and some like me want to tell them to go fuck themselves because they are as much to blame as the MC but still give them a second chance, but let's not get into the hate train as we see here every update, this is something yall should be expecting by now.

I totally agree. There's blame all around. And I think more people might agree now, that except for Milly, the least of the blame goes to the supposed devil herself - Deb.

Like another poster mentions, there are holes in the story I don't understand. I'm confused why the family keeps the secret going after he's released. I have to go back and reread some of this shit.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Yeah, you're right about mc's intentions. I'm referring to his attitude of not considering input and exploring other possibilities. It was his way or the highway. Maybe there were smarter ways to get back at his enemies. By the way, I'm not even referring just to his wrongful imprisonment. It turns out that instead of carrying on an incestuous affair with his sis behind his wife's back for years, he could've just told the truth, and wifey would've accepted it. He could've been having threeways with wifey and sis the whole fucking time. From my perspective, it turns out sis, the character everyone loves to hate, is the most sympathetic character in the whole story.

Its not like talking to your wife about your incestuous affair with your sister was a good idea in 99.99% of the cases... he got lucky to end up with the 0.01% that was cool with it. Yea sure in THAT particular case talking about it would have made things easier, but the fact that the extremely vast majority of the cases would have led to a divorce and the relationship with that person forever destroyed, its understandable for him to have kept his mouth shut about that.

 

[Crippy]

So the USMC defense force??? Lmfao get out of here. No one says the USMC Defense force who's actually been in the military.

Source :US Army Vet 2000-2006. 3rd infantry division,7th cavalry MOS 19 Delta Ft. Stewart Georgia

We were a station sanctioned force. There were no ARMY (US or otherwise) at RAF Edzell. Know your shit before running your mouth. Also, you are quoting something from 2000-2006. I was there 1982-1985.

 

[Content_Consumer]

From my perspective, it turns out sis, the character everyone loves to hate, is the most sympathetic character in the whole story.

The same sister that helped keep his daughter hidden from him for years?

 

[pochops]

The same sister that helped keep his daughter hidden from him for years?

I'm saying she is a more sympathetic character compared to the rest of the family, including the wife. The rest of them came up with the crazy idea and embraced it. Not only that, wifey married the gay dude and remained hidden to "thank" him for his sacrifice. Deb thought the idea was crazy from the beginning. At least she resisted it and refused to keep in contact with the wifey out of protest.

 

[Lady Lydia]

I'm saying she is a more sympathetic character compared to the rest of the family, including the wife. The rest of them came up with the crazy idea and embraced it. Not only that, wifey married the gay dude and remained hidden to "thank" him for his sacrifice. Deb thought the idea was crazy from the beginning. At least she resisted it and refused to keep in contact with the wifey out of protest.

Still the lesser evil is still evil, she should have told him as soon as she realized that the plan to reunite them had been delayed. After the 3 months originally planned for, she should have told him and sold out that shitty plan the family came up with, he would than have went after his family whom would have pointed him to his wife and child and right now the wife wouldn't be dead and his relationship with his daughter might not have suffered as much. By going with that shitty plot she betrayed him, the one she supposedly loved above all else, so she pretty much deserved as much flak as the rest of the family.

Also let's be real, at the end obviously Deb kept her mouth shut likely out of self interest, she knew that she'd have him mostly to herself so long as he wasn't back with his wife, so she benefited from keeping the plan secret. So its likely she decided to keep her mouth shut for selfish reasons rather than any benevolent intentions. So while she might not have supported the plan originally, she obviously followed on it as soon as convenient to her.

 

[pochops]

Its not like talking to your wife about your incestuous affair with your sister was a good idea in 99.99% of the cases... he got lucky to end up with the 0.01% that was cool with it. Yea sure in THAT particular case talking about it would have made things easier, but the fact that the extremely vast majority of the cases would have led to a divorce and the relationship with that person forever destroyed, its understandable for him to have kept his mouth shut about that.

Come on dude, we're talking about in the context of this porn game, not real life. In the story, it is revealed mc's mom sent photos of mc fucking sis to wifey before they were even married, and afterwards she married him anyway. Wifey was fully on board and accepted it. It turns out practically everyone knew about it. Sis talked to mom about it. Mom tried to talk to mc, but as usual he shut himself off. This is really a story about a love triangle that could've been.

 

[LWtbo]

Have to give the Dev credit thats a very plausable reason by Mommy derest for lieing to the MC for 7 or more years.

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And Despite all that atempt to justify everything and point out how the MC is to blame for it all I still really enjoyed the game especially the part where I avoided anything to do with the Daughter, Sister, Julia and Mommy dearest while only banging Astrid.

Just Sayin

 

[Lady Lydia]

Come on dude, we're talking about in the context of this porn game, not real life. In the story, it is revealed mc's mom sent photos of mc fucking sis to wifey before they were even married, and afterwards she married him anyway. Wifey was fully on board and accepted it. It turns out practically everyone knew about it. Sis talked to mom about it. Mom tried to talk to mc, but as usual he shut himself off. This is really a story about a love triangle that could've been.

Did you not listen, my point was how the Hell could he have imagined his wife would be fine with it? Sure its a porn game but its still meant to exist relatively within reality, a reality where wives aren't expected to accept their husband having a incestuous affair with their sister. Nor their family is supposed to be good with it either, its perfectly understandable for him to have bucked against revealing anything when the consequence would have been losing his wife. Heard the saying hindsight is 20/20? This is the case, you are arguing about the validity of a course of action from hindsight, not from the point of having to make said decision, which would be an entirely different point of view to judge from.