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DA22

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Why the fuck is MC always such a complete douche to Deb?! Get the fuck over it.
Why is Deb such a complete douche to MC all the time in the game and think she has the right to defend she was right in what she did? Let her get the fuck get over it first and show some real remorse and changing of her ways.

(Edit: Which is not the same as she suddenly turns into MC's submissive lapdog by the way, just some growth and empathy, remember the way she is written until now it is still possible she will be one of the final antagonists in game and she and Mary did all on purpose, even if that is way less likely as about 6 updates ago :p).
 
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Spfjolietjake

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It's updated ;)
Thank you and I have one probably stupid question. Why is the choice just punishing milly recommended over the hotter scene punishing Deb and Milly? Not saying there was a mistake but wondering why?

Thanks again for all your hard work on these mods :)
 

JokerLeader

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Thank you and I have one probably stupid question. Why is the choice just punishing milly recommended over the hotter scene punishing Deb and Milly? Not saying there was a mistake but wondering why?

Thanks again for all your hard work on these mods :)
Because I'm an Idiot who missed that choice :p

Thanks for letting me know, I've added that choice as the green one.
 

amiable34

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i agree.started ok .sex with sis then none at all except to be a prick to her.get rid of astrid who seems to get in the way all the time.and as for poking his daughter,not going to happen for at least a year i think.dev just loves fucking around i think ,he,ll happily fuck everything else then suddenly finds ways of not poking daughter.its just dragging now.
 

EmpressVII

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This game got real mean spirited towards Deb and the rest of the family.

Which sucks cause it really doesn't NEED to be?

The writing seems to have majorly hit a stagnant point.
 

Shyguy1369

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This game got real mean spirited towards Deb and the rest of the family.

Which sucks cause it really doesn't NEED to be?

The writing seems to have majorly hit a stagnant point.
I can understand some of it, but I think she has shown she can be redeemed by now. I love Deb, even more than Milly in some instances. If it could honestly just be Deb and Milly as the LIs that would be enough ... well not really, I just don't want Astrid at all. But end of the day, I love Deb, and I hope they go back to their 'normal' relationship again VERY soon.
 
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Spfjolietjake

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I can understand some of it, but I think she has shown she can be redeemed by now. I love Deb, even more than Milly in some instances. If it could honestly just be Deb and Milly as the LIs that would be enough ... well not really, I just don't want Astrid at all. But end of the day, I love Deb, and I hope they go back to their 'normal' relationship again VERY soon.
I'll take Astrid for ya :)
I actually do love all the women in this but honestly besides phoebe, Deb is my favorite...
 
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I'll take Astrid for ya :)
I actually do love all the women in this but honestly besides phoebe, Deb is my favorite...
I do love Deb as a character and I do actually think she'd make a great LI, but she needs someone to guide her due to her horrible decision making. Unfortunately, our MC is NOT that guy. He is, if anything, more immature and idiotic than she is.
 

EmpressVII

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I can understand some of it, but I think she has shown she can be redeemed by now. I love Deb, even more than Milly in some instances. If it could honestly just be Deb and Milly as the LIs that would be enough ... well not really, I just don't want Astrid at all. But end of the day, I love Deb, and I hope they go back to their 'normal' relationship again VERY soon.
I mean deb and the family screwed the MC and his daughter over for a decade so they kinda deserved it.
Personally my issue arises from the fact that story says Deb only knew for two years Kumiko (a character our dev seems to have forgotten) even brings up that the MC himself stopped looking after a year , im not saying deb and the mom arent wrong for keeping it away , but the man was self destructive and cared NOTHING for what the aftermath could do to him OR his family.

No one here is in the right but i find myself skipping parts of this game where we are just a major dickhead for no reason.

Glad to see Milly content i guess but even that seems kinda meh like we were being rushed to this point.
 
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Personally my issue arises from the fact that story says Deb only knew for two years Kumiko (a character our dev seems to have forgotten) even brings up that the MC himself stopped looking after a year , im not saying deb and the mom arent wrong for keeping it away , but the man was self destructive and cared NOTHING for what the aftermath could do to him OR his family.

No one here is in the right but i find myself skipping parts of this game where we are just a major dickhead for no reason.

Glad to see Milly content i guess but even that seems kinda meh like we were being rushed to this point.
Lol I will quote a previous person and say this "The MC was in the guardhouse because he didn't stand back and do nothing while letting a supposed senior officer in an allied army who having just murdered a man in cold blood then wanted to go on to Rape both the dead mans Wife and Daughter which he would of then no doubt also killed.
And by his stupid actions you mean because he was refusing to go quietly and let it be swept under the rug so the supposed Allied officer could carry on doing what he was planning to do before the MC stopped him with impunity you mean that stupid action?."

Not only this but instead of his dad using his power in the government for leverage to help his son, he uses it to blackmail someone to leave his son in jail and let the MC's wife and daughter disappear without being able to be tracked. Then MC's wife gets married to a fucking politician, and instead of using that power to help him with trying to stop the officer from doing something like that again, or expose it, they just ignore it, the MC is the ONLY one trying to do the right thing and you are mad at him? His family ruined his life for a decade he has every right to be angry. "No-one is in the right" is bullshit, the MC is the ONLY one in the right here, also you say Deb ONLY knew for 2 years? wtf do you mean ONLY 2 years? First off, Deb Helped the family take his wife and daughter away right at the start, remember the meeting they had while he was in jail, or did you forget that, and after she knew where they went a few years later she spent 2 years having sex with him while he is self destructing, because of her actions, and killing himself with alcohol and she is so selfish that she keeps it to herself until his wife is assassinated and his daughter has a government hit squad after her is dumb af, Plus she doesn't even tell him she knew about it, till he finds out from someone else, so she doesn't even get the redemption of admitting she did something bad, she would have kept it a secret forever if she could have. Also I don't know if you know, but a full year of searching for his family resulted in nothing because his family had strings pulled in the government level so he wouldn't find anything which Deb knows about, so of course he stopped searching, to him they disappeared off the face of the earth, and a year of nonstop searching is a long time.
 
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DA22

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Lol I will quote a previous person and say this "The MC was in the guardhouse because he didn't stand back and do nothing while letting a supposed senior officer in an allied army who having just murdered a man in cold blood then wanted to go on to Rape both the dead mans Wife and Daughter which he would of then no doubt also killed.
And by his stupid actions you mean because he was refusing to go quietly and let it be swept under the rug so the supposed Allied officer could carry on doing what he was planning to do before the MC stopped him with impunity you mean that stupid action?."

Not only this but instead of his dad using his power in the government for leverage to help his son, he uses it to blackmail someone to leave his son in jail and let the MC's wife and daughter disappear without being able to be tracked. Then MC's wife gets married to a fucking politician, and instead of using that power to help him with trying to stop the officer from doing something like that again, or expose it, they just ignore it, the MC is the ONLY one trying to do the right thing and you are mad at him? His family ruined his life for a decade he has every right to be angry. "No-one is in the right" is bullshit, the MC is the ONLY one in the right here, also you say Deb ONLY knew for 2 years? wtf do you mean ONLY 2 years? First off, Deb Helped the family take his wife and daughter away right at the start, remember the meeting they had while he was in jail, or did you forget that, and after she knew where they went a few years later she spent 2 years having sex with him while he is self destructing, because of her actions, and killing himself with alcohol and she is so selfish that she keeps it to herself until his wife is assassinated and his daughter has a government hit squad after her is dumb af, Plus she doesn't even tell him she knew about it, till he finds out from someone else, so she doesn't even get the redemption of admitting she did something bad, she would have kept it a secret forever if she could have. Also I don't know if you know, but a full year of searching for his family resulted in nothing because his family had strings pulled in the government level so he wouldn't find anything which Deb knows about, so of course he stopped searching, to him they disappeared off the face of the earth, and a year of nonstop searching is a long time.
Yup it is not like that whole family including Deb passively tried to stop him and ruin his life in the process by accident. They did it actively and kept at it even after years and plan seemed to have gone wrong, which at least at my side raised the question long ago what interest they had and/or why they wanted to protect that officer so much, way beyond what was needed to keep MC alive.

Leaving at the very least the option open that that family has quite dirty hands and at least part of them including Deb may well be part of the final antagonists and part of the reason Millie's life is in danger now. Let us be honest if you are willing to destroy the life of your son or brother/lover and Millie's as side collateral, than the price of killing your granddaughter or niece is not that high either.
 
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EmpressVII

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Lol I will quote a previous person and say this "The MC was in the guardhouse because he didn't stand back and do nothing while letting a supposed senior officer in an allied army who having just murdered a man in cold blood then wanted to go on to Rape both the dead mans Wife and Daughter which he would of then no doubt also killed.
And by his stupid actions you mean because he was refusing to go quietly and let it be swept under the rug so the supposed Allied officer could carry on doing what he was planning to do before the MC stopped him with impunity you mean that stupid action?."

Not only this but instead of his dad using his power in the government for leverage to help his son, he uses it to blackmail someone to leave his son in jail and let the MC's wife and daughter disappear without being able to be tracked. Then MC's wife gets married to a fucking politician, and instead of using that power to help him with trying to stop the officer from doing something like that again, or expose it, they just ignore it, the MC is the ONLY one trying to do the right thing and you are mad at him? His family ruined his life for a decade he has every right to be angry. "No-one is in the right" is bullshit, the MC is the ONLY one in the right here, also you say Deb ONLY knew for 2 years? wtf do you mean ONLY 2 years? First off, Deb Helped the family take his wife and daughter away right at the start, remember the meeting they had while he was in jail, or did you forget that, and after she knew where they went a few years later she spent 2 years having sex with him while he is self destructing, because of her actions, and killing himself with alcohol and she is so selfish that she keeps it to herself until his wife is assassinated and his daughter has a government hit squad after her is dumb af, Plus she doesn't even tell him she knew about it, till he finds out from someone else, so she doesn't even get the redemption of admitting she did something bad, she would have kept it a secret forever if she could have. Also I don't know if you know, but a full year of searching for his family resulted in nothing because his family had strings pulled in the government level so he wouldn't find anything which Deb knows about, so of course he stopped searching, to him they disappeared off the face of the earth, and a year of nonstop searching is a long time.
I seem to have struck a cord with the porn gaming community ,christ. What a wall of text.
 

WastedTalent

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Personally my issue arises from the fact that story says Deb only knew for two years Kumiko (a character our dev seems to have forgotten) even brings up that the MC himself stopped looking after a year , im not saying deb and the mom arent wrong for keeping it away , but the man was self destructive and cared NOTHING for what the aftermath could do to him OR his family.

No one here is in the right but i find myself skipping parts of this game where we are just a major dickhead for no reason.

Glad to see Milly content i guess but even that seems kinda meh like we were being rushed to this point.
the two years is incorrect. Deb knew from the start not to mention the MC found the pic in Millies photo album and he asked her how along ago was this taken? she says about 3 years ago.... then MC asked Deb have you known the whole time?
Deb: "yes"
 

DA22

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Seems to be the norm in this thread writing walls of text for a vn they seem to hate but can't walk away from. "This is personal dammit!" :LOL:
Who says we hate the VN?, we hate the actions certain NPC's took and the way dev set them up and they seem to want to defend them for actions that have no defense. We do not know yet how dev ends the story and if they will truly pay for their betrayal and if they indeed are working with the final antagonists and kill off Millie and MC in the end with Deb happily in arms of Mary and Mom for example nicely rich or corrupt or very different. :p
 

WastedTalent

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Who says we hate the VN?, we hate the actions certain NPC's took and the way dev set them up and they seem to want to defend them for actions that have no defense. We do not know yet how dev ends the story and if they will truly pay for their betrayal and if they indeed are working with the final antagonists and kill off Millie and MC in the end with Deb happily in arms of Mary and Mom for example nicely rich or corrupt or very different. :p
At this point that is more believable than a happy ending.
 
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