VN Ren'Py Onhold Twisted Memories [v0.8b] [BaiBai]

[1tomadeira]

Sure but what about the people that have been paying for the last 8 months or longer? Are their feelings valid or are they just being lil negative nancy's too?
Yall keep conveniently ignoring that point whenever it's brought up and just keep falling back to the "leechers mad" argument.
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You didn't get my point at all, but ok. And I wasn't even making a distinction between "paid" and "unpaid" users. I was mainly talking about time between releases.

Not to mention that you have no idea if I pay or not. But even that is irrelevant since payments were frozen by the dev.

Before you want to quote and call out someone read the comment properly, instead of twisting it to prove your point with memes, trust me, it does wonders.

There, I hope you like my obtained reality. A reality you clearly missed.

 

[1tomadeira]

And before you come with another argument, about me defending "milking" devs and that I should call them out.. I do that all the time. I just did it on another thread wednesday.

I simply like to be fair, releases were decent, he freezed the payments, he mentioned the issues, he didn't simply run away, etc. So far he was very upfront with it, and as I said, freezing payments was still done.

But if you still aren't happy you can always unsubscribe. Because let's be frank, you can complain what you want here, but in the end what matters is the money that keeps entering. And the fact of freezing payments shows some seriousness so far. At least for now. Let's not act like 5 years old and pretend that irl issues can't happen at all, I mean, c'mon...

There are reasons to wonder about it? Maybe, since many adult games get abandoned. But there are ways to do it, and not the constant stretch saying it is already abandoned when the dev called the delay. So chill, at least for now.

And yes, I know it is double post, sue me. Mobile makes me lazy.

 

[Archer123321]

I’m still hopeful about the state of the game or developer, but just chiming in that I don’t think Xythurr misread what you typed out.

People simply like to be negative and bitch when they stop receiving something for free in a short period of time. Specially if they never helped the dev to support his efforts in developing.

There’re only two sentences in here, both stating the same idea that there’s no rational reason people are fearing for the future of the game or developer besides being “bitchy”/pirating for free anyway.

You clarified with actual talking points at the end, but I don’t see how most people could interpret that post as mainly about time duration between releases. Not to mention the logical fallacies in the rebuttals and a generally dismissive, condescending tone in your later responses to him.

I.e. Xythurr didn’t ask if you were a paying customer because it doesn’t matter. Even if you were, it doesn’t detract from the possible doubt/fears of other paying supporters. He mentioned that because you were basically suggesting any non-paying feelings were invalid from your first post.

I agree that Baibai has shown more professionalism than most developers here, and doubters can always unsubscribe. However, him freezing payments doesn’t change all the months that did pass after the last update. Personal problems are understandable, but with the variance in timing, no release before going on a break, it’s entirely possible and reasonable for a subscriber to feel like they might have been financially supporting something that wasn’t actually coming for months before the actual payment freeze.

We’re all entitled to our own opinions and can say whatever we want, but I think moderately negative feelings and hope are both understandable. We all understand that real life problems happen - being upset about it doesn’t mean you don’t know that. This is a great game and I’m sure most of us, even the doubters bracing themselves for disappointment, are just hoping that it’ll continue seeing the light of day. Hold strong and continue yapping to each other in the meantime.

 

[Maulis47]

Technically accurate but massively downplaying the actual situation. Honestly, sounds like this game is one bad event from being abandoned.

Isn't that life? One bad event can stop most things and as many mentioned at least the dev is trying to be as transparent as they can, also mentioned in another post that it's much better for them to recharge/take a break right before a release than right after.

 

[dolfe67]

Isn't that life? One bad event can stop most things and as many mentioned at least the dev is trying to be as transparent as they can, also mentioned in another post that it's much better for them to recharge/take a break right before a release than right after.

Yes but the more members a team has, the less the project will get abandoned. It goes without saying that a 1-member project is at high risk.

 

[LAILE8877]

Perhaps baibai is running for chancellor of Germany.

 

[Dogorti]

Maybe the dev was accused of being a crypto scammer and they seized his computer. not the first time that would happen...

 

[1tomadeira]

I’m still hopeful about the state of the game or developer, but just chiming in that I don’t think Xythurr misread what you typed out.



There’re only two sentences in here, both stating the same idea that there’s no rational reason people are fearing for the future of the game or developer besides being “bitchy”/pirating for free anyway.

You clarified with actual talking points at the end, but I don’t see how most people could interpret that post as mainly about time duration between releases. Not to mention the logical fallacies in the rebuttals and a generally dismissive, condescending tone in your later responses to him.

I.e. Xythurr didn’t ask if you were a paying customer because it doesn’t matter. Even if you were, it doesn’t detract from the possible doubt/fears of other paying supporters. He mentioned that because you were basically suggesting any non-paying feelings were invalid from your first post.

I agree that Baibai has shown more professionalism than most developers here, and doubters can always unsubscribe. However, him freezing payments doesn’t change all the months that did pass after the last update. Personal problems are understandable, but with the variance in timing, no release before going on a break, it’s entirely possible and reasonable for a subscriber to feel like they might have been financially supporting something that wasn’t actually coming for months before the actual payment freeze.

We’re all entitled to our own opinions and can say whatever we want, but I think moderately negative feelings and hope are both understandable. We all understand that real life problems happen - being upset about it doesn’t mean you don’t know that. This is a great game and I’m sure most of us, even the doubters bracing themselves for disappointment, are just hoping that it’ll continue seeing the light of day. Hold strong and continue yapping to each other in the meantime.

Again, you got my point wrong. Maybe it was me who wasn't clear enough it seems.

I'm not against people wondering about the "health" of the project. That's completly fine. I also didn't like the abrupt way he did it, even if I understand irl issues can happen. What I meant to say is that there are ways to do it. Making random assumptions and simply being extremely negative isn't one way.

Let's be honest here, how many games around here follow their normal pattern of development and still have people say "dev is lazy" or "dev is milking" or "dev when update", etc? That people is the typical one that doesn't care 1 slightiest about the dev or his property or if he doesn't rest, all they care is a release.

So yeah, the way the other commented was one of those. Sure you have ways to show your concerns, but there are ways to do it. And again, the dev called for the break AND froze the payments. I think that should be taken into account.

Finally, about what you said Xythurr, I would think a bit about that if he didn't end the way he did and with a meme. The way he did it was clearly to call me out imo. Not to mention that you can't ask others to "obtain reality" when payments were even frozen and didn't even understood what I meant. Hence I even bothered answering. But whatever.

I call out several devs on these forums when I think they're milking, or lying, or etc. The concerns some people make here are also pretty valid. But the way some people call him out is pretty unfair as well.

 

[Dogorti]

People are always going to complain about something. He froze the payments but now the complaint is that he did it too late. when the point is that he did it. To me that shows good will but whatever

And btw the last update before the current one was in October 2023 and the current one came out in February-March of this year that is 4-5 months between updates. So from February-March to now there are 7 or 6 months so far, of course there was a delay but nothing exaggerated as some make it out to be. and Baibai paused subscriptions when it realized that it was going to take much longer than the previous deadlines.

 

[1tomadeira]

People are always going to complain about something. He froze the payments but now the complaint is that he did it too late. when the point is that he did it. To me that shows good will but whatever

And I agree with that, personally I also didn't like the way he did it. But there ways to talk about it. You are expressing your fair concerns, and that's completly fine, meanwhile others are already "omg it's abandoned, gg wp".

I understand why that happens, because the history of many devs giving bullshit excuses and ending abandoning their projects is insane in thid industry unfortunely. Still, the previous and current of a dev must be taken into account.

If he really ends up abandoning the project I'll be around for sure, but for now making random negative assumptions like some are isn't fair.

 

[horns of giant]

Maybe the dev was accused of being a crypto scammer and they seized his computer. not the first time that would happen...

Maybe he is simply losing interest in big tits girl and corruption. No way to make an AVN if your penis does not response. It's common when people make their hobby into work.

 

[Ktwoc]

Technically accurate but massively downplaying the actual situation. Honestly, sounds like this game is one bad event from being abandoned.

It might be abandoned but we don't have a dev taking people money for nothing.

 

[mentosa]

It might be abandoned but we don't have a dev taking people money for nothing.

If he releases v0.9, then yes.
If we never see v0.9, then no.

 

[agelastos]

So, to sum up the last few pages: the game might be abandoned but it probably isn't, people are whiny and annoying, and everyone should just shut up already.
Moving on... has anyone read any good books lately?

 

[OhGodNotAgain]

It might be abandoned but we don't have a dev taking people money for nothing.

...And your chicks are free.

 

[Bobjock]

I Iike this game, will my life end if it's over? No, you can play a new game every day from this site and never run out. Give the guy a chance to get his shit together. Just take a breath, and find something else until he does.

 

[shitass1001]

Frozen after 8 months and whole lot of posts indicating he was making good progress and a release was incoming. It's not about him having IRL issues. It's about the deception while still cashing checks.

I decided to go back and read some of the progress reports that were posted here (search " Development showcase " if you want to read them yourself) and I dont remember Baibai ever mentioning that he was close to release, or anything of that sort.
He did say he was making good progress, but there is no evidence that I have seen that would indicate he was lying about that. He very well could have made tons of progress and not been happy with how some of it turned out, or he could have just wanted to make more before releasing the update.
As I understand it, and call me a dickrider or whatever name you want, but he probably WAS making good progress during those 8 months, and then had something come up, or maybe needed a vacation, and decided to pause payments while he wasnt making any progress.

Sadly a common thing a lot of devs start doing when they decide to be shady.

Do you really honestly think Baibai has "decided to be shady"? I think an argument could be made that mistakes were made on Baibais part, but do you really think his behavior is malicious? Is it so unreasonable that a human being might make a mistake?

I love this game but what he did was shitty and seeing so many people try to dogpile those that call it out really shows how other worse devs like Dark Cookie can milk their patrons for years lol.

Name calling other people people and being generally rude makes people not want to interface with you, or it makes them want to insult you back. When you constantly call the people of this thread who push back against your opinions "dickriders" then it just makes you seem like an asshole, no matter how true your opinion may be.

Liking the art doesn't mean you have to excuse dubious behavior by the artist

Something you see as dubious behavior might be seen by another person as completely reasonable, hence feeling the need to excuse it. I would love to see what actions this dev has taken that you would consider dubious, and it would help your case if you used specific details and linked to posts.

 

[Xythurr]

I decided to go back and read some of the progress reports that were posted here (search " Development showcase " if you want to read them yourself) and I dont remember Baibai ever mentioning that he was close to release, or anything of that sort.
He did say he was making good progress, but there is no evidence that I have seen that would indicate he was lying about that. He very well could have made tons of progress and not been happy with how some of it turned out, or he could have just wanted to make more before releasing the update.
As I understand it, and call me a dickrider or whatever name you want, but he probably WAS making good progress during those 8 months, and then had something come up, or maybe needed a vacation, and decided to pause payments while he wasnt making any progress.


Do you really honestly think Baibai has "decided to be shady"? I think an argument could be made that mistakes were made on Baibais part, but do you really think his behavior is malicious? Is it so unreasonable that a human being might make a mistake?


Name calling other people people and being generally rude makes people not want to interface with you, or it makes them want to insult you back. When you constantly call the people of this thread who push back against your opinions "dickriders" then it just makes you seem like an asshole, no matter how true your opinion may be.


Something you see as dubious behavior might be seen by another person as completely reasonable, hence feeling the need to excuse it. I would love to see what actions this dev has taken that you would consider dubious, and it would help your case if you used specific details and linked to posts.

The dubious behavior is what I was pointing out in my commentary. I never called you a dickrider but if you felt it applied to you well....
As for being rude I was replying to a dude who did a double posting ranting and acting like I somehow didn't know what he was talking about like it wasn't pretty fucking clear while people like you upvoted it and thought he was somehow making a good point.

People simply like to be negative and bitch when they stop receiving something for free in a short period of time. Specially if they never helped the dev to support his efforts in developing.

While I replied:

Sure but what about the people that have been paying for the last 8 months or longer? Are their feelings valid or are they just being lil negative nancy's too?
Yall keep conveniently ignoring that point whenever it's brought up and just keep falling back to the "leechers mad" argument.

I was standing up for the PAYING supporting people that have been dismissed as mere whiners who are just being "negative".

So what the fuck did I supposedly misunderstand? You and others went along with it like he wasn't being completely disingenuous and missing MY point. On purpose I suspect.

When he gets called on it the truth comes out:

Finally, about what you said Xythurr, I would think a bit about that if he didn't end the way he did and with a meme. The way he did it was clearly to call me out imo. Not to mention that you can't ask others to "obtain reality" when payments were even frozen and didn't even understood what I meant. Hence I even bothered answering. But whatever.

All those posts were because he got butthurt by a meme. He didn't acknowledge or try to refute my very reasonable observation about his original comment but went on a long diatribe to deflect and try to make me seem like the asshole because he got his feelings hurt by a silly meme that would have made me chuckle had I been on the receiving end!

Yes the payments were cancelled. AFTER he had already been collecting them for months. My point stands so you and the others can agree or disagree but at this point your feelings and opinions are no longer relevant to me.

All yall when ya see my big meanie posts:

 

[Tatsuya2022]

he earn what 1.2 k bucks? and on top of that he already stopped billing which is better that 90% of the others developers.

( other story should be if he had like 6 k or 7 k bucks at month and no stopping the billings as some joke devs do)

let him take a 2/4 months holidays. BEST WISHES and low profile send me the Teacher T.T

 

[mentosa]

So, to sum up the last few pages: the game might be abandoned but it probably isn't, people are whiny and annoying, and everyone should just shut up already.
Moving on... has anyone read any good books lately?

Thats a shit summary so uncharacteristic for a book enjoyer.