VN Ren'Py University of Problems [v1.4.5 Extended] [DreamNow]

[DaimonFey]

As for why I wouldn't have any kind of sentimental relationship with a girl that have been gangbanged in the past, that's a more complex mix of different factors but mainly because I think people can't change, if she was a slut in the past she is a slut now, she may be restraining herself now but in my opinion she is a time bomb and given the right setting she will do it again. Where I come from them is a saying "Dating a slut is like hugging a cactus, sooner or later you will get hurt." As for why I would prefer that she was a drug addict or a petty criminal over a closet slut? That's just me thinking that the slut have the more potential to hurt you emotionally in the long run.

People can change, not every person but still. Roxy is a slut but in my opinion she is a slut only for her boyfriend. She might been gangbanged in the past but I doubt she did it because she wanted it. Most likely she was forced by her ex-boyfriend. Considering her behavior when she meet him and afterwards it is very possible. In my opinion there is no danger that she will return to her old ways because we can see that in the past she was hurt and was forced to grow up. Her removing that tattoo is very good indicator that she decided to leave her past behind.
Everybody have potential to hurt other people. In my opinion dating and marrying virgin is as dangerous as marrying slut, perhaps even more.

 

[Kalsan]

People can change, not every person but still. Roxy is a slut but in my opinion she is a slut only for her boyfriend. She might been gangbanged in the past but I doubt she did it because she wanted it. Most likely she was forced by her ex-boyfriend. Considering her behavior when she meet him and afterwards it is very possible. In my opinion there is no danger that she will return to her old ways because we can see that in the past she was hurt and was forced to grow up. Her removing that tattoo is very good indicator that she decided to leave her past behind.
Everybody have potential to hurt other people. In my opinion dating and marrying virgin is as dangerous as marrying slut, perhaps even more.

I don't agree with you in almost anything but meh we are talking hypotheticals and opinions so I don't know what to tell you, in my experience and what I have see people don't change nor most want to. Being a forced or not gangbanged (we are talking about gangbangs but that's just another hypothetical scenario) means little since it will be a shitty thing either way. Now a tragical sex past it is necessary for the character development of Roxy and his relationship with the MC? Not at all, you can put another non sexual tragic event and you would get the exact same results and you would not piss player but putting such a thing a game like this. i would take the dangers of marrying a virgin over the ones of marrying a slut every day.

I overlooked the shit DreamNow put with Ashley because it wasn't in her route and I consider it a bad end for her of some sort, but I know a lot of people that drop it because of it. Now some shit like that is put in Roxy route and it would be an entire different story, a even bigger crowd is going to be pissed me included. I'm giving DreamNow the benefit of the doubt for now but I really hope this doesn't go that way with any of the girls.

 

[DaimonFey]

I don't agree with you in almost anything but meh we are talking hypotheticals and opinions so I don't know what to tell you, in my experience and what I have see people don't change nor most want to. Being a forced or not gangbanged (we are talking about gangbangs but that's just another hypothetical scenario) means little since it will be a shitty thing either way. Now a tragical sex past it is necessary for the character development of Roxy and his relationship with the MC? Not at all, you can put another non sexual tragic event and you would get the exact same results and you would not piss player but putting such a thing a game like this. i would take the dangers of marrying a virgin over the ones of marrying a slut every day.

I overlooked the shit DreamNow put with Ashley because it wasn't in her route and I consider it a bad end for her of some sort, but I know a lot of people that drop it because of it. Now some shit like that is put in Roxy route and it would be an entire different story, a even bigger crowd is going to be pissed me included. I'm giving DreamNow the benefit of the doubt for now but I really hope this doesn't go that way with any of the girls.

I think that you are mistaking two very different things. Slut and sex addict are not the same thing. If Roxy was sex addict then yes I would support your theory. But she isn't sex addict. Roxy is slut after bad experiences and yes she is changing for the better(if Mc is in relationship with her).
Are you really sure that you would always choose virgin? Experieced women do know what they want and like, virgins do not. They will be curious about sex with other people and there most likely will be people who will push them in the wrong direction. Trying to push somebody like Roxy into path of sexual enlightenment would would be effort in futility but doing same thing with somebody like Ashley is something completly different.

 

[Kalsan]

I think that you are mistaking two very different things. Slut and sex addict are not the same thing. If Roxy was sex addict then yes I would support your theory. But she isn't sex addict. Roxy is slut after bad experiences and yes she is changing for the better(if Mc is in relationship with her).
Are you really sure that you would always choose virgin? Experieced women do know what they want and like, virgins do not. They will be curious about sex with other people and there most likely will be people who will push them in the wrong direction. Trying to push somebody like Roxy into path of sexual enlightenment would would be effort in futility but doing same thing with somebody like Ashley is something completly different.

My whole point could be resume in something I read in Grandma's House "A slut known what men likes, a virgin can be teach what you like" Meh It seems like we will not come to an agreement in this one but at least we could agree that Roxy back story would be better and less polarising if it weren't sexual in nature?

 

[DaimonFey]

A slut known what men likes, a virgin can be teach what you like

I didn't mean it that way. I meant that experienced woman know what she likes done to her and won't seduced by some thrills.

Roxy back story would be better and less polarising if it weren't sexual in nature?

Roxy's story will be sexual in nature at least partially although I do hope that dev won't overdo it. It would be better if her history would be 85% emotions and 15% sex.

 

[Tremonia]

Anyway. It's 2022 and except for some backwarded societies it's absolutely okay for a woman to have the same sexual life and experience as a man. If Roxy have a slutty history it's okay. It only matters what relationship and which behaviour she has to her partner. And to be honest: the biggest whore in this game is MC. He is the last one allowed to make claims.

 

[PervyParadox]

My whole point could be resume in something I read in Grandma's House "A slut known what men likes, a virgin can be teach what you like" Meh It seems like we will not come to an agreement in this one but at least we could agree that Roxy back story would be better and less polarising if it weren't sexual in nature?

I think you misunderstand Roxy's character completely. Roxy is the type of girl who typically use sex as a way to avoid emotionnal connection with someone. Connect to her emotionnally and she'll stay loyal to the end. Now if her backstory is sexual in nature, it will only means that either she got emotionnally involved with an asshole who decided to share her, OR she lacked this emotionnal connection to begin with and get involved in something she later came to regret.

A slut knows what men likes, right, but a slut like Roxy will also learn what "her" man likes too. Take Ivy in comparison. Ivy is "a" slut. She doesn't use sex to avoid getting attached to a certain someone, she's just a slut who like having sex no matter with who. Roxy is way more complicated as a character. Once she's emotionnally attached to a dude, it's more likely that she stop being "a" slut and instead become "his" slut. Plus she'll be less easily influenced by assertive dudes or gals compared to virgins or innocent girls (Ashley as an example), because she'd have more experience both sexually and emotionnally. Now in term of "loyalty", I'd say that it balance things out.

 

[sevensham]

when new update will release?

 

[Arctic Crusader]

when new update will release?

Second half of November.

 

[Kalsan]

I didn't mean it that way. I meant that experienced woman know what she likes done to her and won't seduced by some thrills.


Roxy's story will be sexual in nature at least partially although I do hope that dev won't overdo it. It would be better if her history would be 85% emotions and 15% sex.

Yeah you probably are right, still I hope DreamNow will no screw things too much but not holding my breath.

I think you misunderstand Roxy's character completely. Roxy is the type of girl who typically use sex as a way to avoid emotionnal connection with someone. Connect to her emotionnally and she'll stay loyal to the end. Now if her backstory is sexual in nature, it will only means that either she got emotionnally involved with an asshole who decided to share her, OR she lacked this emotionnal connection to begin with and get involved in something she later came to regret.

A slut knows what men likes, right, but a slut like Roxy will also learn what "her" man likes too. Take Ivy in comparison. Ivy is "a" slut. She doesn't use sex to avoid getting attached to a certain someone, she's just a slut who like having sex no matter with who. Roxy is way more complicated as a character. Once she's emotionnally attached to a dude, it's more likely that she stop being "a" slut and instead become "his" slut. Plus she'll be less easily influenced by assertive dudes or gals compared to virgins or innocent girls (Ashley as an example), because she'd have more experience both sexually and emotionnally. Now in term of "loyalty", I'd say that it balance things out.

I do not misunderstood her character, and perhaps you are right or maybe not but in real life dating a girl like that is tossing a coin to the air, if you are whiling to take the bet by all means. Oh and you really have some wierd ideas of how influenciable and malleable a virgins are, in my experience a mature women have more or less the same chances of falling for an asshole and be pressured into something. Look in the end is a matter of preference, and I really like Roxy, I don't care if she has a past my problem is make those problems a central part of the story and get overboard in been descriptive for example if she was raped I would look past it as long as she don't get into details and is not show in anyway. Plus how annoying it gets that another porn logic cliche get added unnecessarily.

Anyway. It's 2022 and except for some backwarded societies it's absolutely okay for a woman to have the same sexual life and experience as a man. If Roxy have a slutty history it's okay. It only matters what relationship and which behaviour she has to her partner. And to be honest: the biggest whore in this game is MC. He is the last one allowed to make claims.

Well yeah be it 2022, 1930 or 1490 a girl is free to do with her body whatever she wants and if you can be happy in a relationship with the town bicycle by all means do so but the stigma of sluts will never die for multiple reasons specially biological and cultural same like girls to settle down with a man have more in account that his attractiveness (steady job, income and such) a man do his selection under other parameters.

 

[Tremonia]

Well, every student of sociology in 4th semester will tell you that this a traditional urban legend and clearly debunked by many empirical researches and scientific studies. But this thinking about mate choices is ball deep settled in many societies so I can't blame you for. The whole incel subculture is based on this and even the five major religions have this in their tenets. What I want to say is that it's only a novel we talk about. It's clearly unrealistic at all but it's very good story. We shouldn't think about it to much and take this as it what it is, a game. MC is a whore who fucks around like a bonobo, lies to all the girls and is cheating to them. We are sympathizing with him but judging the girls? That's a hell of a double standard to me.

 

[Kalsan]

Well, every student of sociology in 4th semester will tell you that this a traditional urban legend and clearly debunked by many empirical researches and scientific studies. But this thinking about mate choices is ball deep settled in many societies so I can't blame you for. The whole incel subculture is based on this and even the five major religions have this in their tenets. What I want to say is that it's only a novel we talk about. It's clearly unrealistic at all but it's very good story. We shouldn't think about it to much and take this as it what it is, a game. MC is a whore who fucks around like a bonobo, lies to all the girls and is cheating to them. We are sympathizing with him but judging the girls? That's a hell of a double standard to me.

Are you going to uphold moral correctness and justice in a adult game? Look I'm here to see the MC bang all the girls and form a harem I do not care at all about political correctness or whatever, I don't care about it in real life and I care less here. I don't care that the MC is a manwhore (I actually enjoy it) and it bothers me the idea of the LI sleeping around that's a double standard is true but do I care? No. You talk like my way of thinking is wrong and that I'm somewhat uncultured for it, I do not agree. I think you way of see the world is foolish and idealistic, you and me will no see eye to eye in this one so better leave it.

 

[Tremonia]

You talk like my way of thinking is wrong and that I'm somewhat uncultured for it, I do not agree.

No, I don't say anything of this. I spoked from a meta level on base of scientific knowledge. You don't have to put on shoes which you're thinking they doesn't fit you. Look, on this board are users from the whole world. Each from an other coutry with other cultural background. Some are religious, some are intelligent, some are rich, some are very ill and so on. I respect them all (okay, not the trolls, incels and creepy pervs) because I'm not in position to judge. I explained my point of view to this game and about AVN in general. That's all.

Roxy is a very interesting character in this game. In most AVN you have a couple of stereotypes and clichés. Also Roxy contains a little bit stereotype on herself but her character development isn't. My intention was to point this out. Apart from this is Roxy like many girls in countries in the HDI higher ranked countries. Sure, she this character is a little exaggerated but it's a porn game after all, you know? There's nothing wrong with girls like her in the real world. At least significantly less than with the men who judges them.

 

[Zoomaa]

Well, every student of sociology in 4th semester will tell you that this a traditional urban legend and clearly debunked by many empirical researches and scientific studies. But this thinking about mate choices is ball deep settled in many societies so I can't blame you for. The whole incel subculture is based on this and even the five major religions have this in their tenets. What I want to say is that it's only a novel we talk about. It's clearly unrealistic at all but it's very good story. We shouldn't think about it to much and take this as it what it is, a game. MC is a whore who fucks around like a bonobo, lies to all the girls and is cheating to them. We are sympathizing with him but judging the girls? That's a hell of a double standard to me.

for me at least the mc cares about the girls and actually he is trying to help them but from the beginning roxy rape the mc to of nowhere when she just met him 2 minutes ago that really pissed me off I immediately went back and changed what happen what she did can only be described as an act of cheap whore and the next quote describe what I think and can be found in page 6 . " The Roxy scene isn't necessary, for me the ninphomaniac explanation only convert this character in unchoosen for romance routes (Giving a blowjob to a stranger guy, even if the guy is the MC, makes her lose all chances of going on a romantic route with her. Similarly, the MC isn't that he earns many points as a protagonist character in romantic stories.). I'm sure that much people don't care about this, even some people can prefer this kind of characters (slut, nimpho, etc). Also, the MC in that scene looks like part of the furniture, if you swap him for a dildo, she will really have a hard time seeing the difference. Personally, I prefer if I can avoid this scene, but I'm not going to complain if it continues in the game as it currently is (my only wish is to avoid future interactions with Roxy)."

 

[Tremonia]

Yeah, Roxy is definitely not made for guys who're struggling with fragile masculinity.

 

[Zoomaa]

whatever u say dude you enjoy dating a slut after all

 

[apariciodof]

whatever u say dude you enjoy dating a slut after all

Yeah, me too

 

[Tremonia]

I try to understand you, pals. Just show me on this puppet where Roxy hurt you.

 

[NewTricks]

There is a pretty easy way to get rid of Roxy. All you need to do is always be rough with her and treat her like a whore at every opportunity and eventually she ill get sick of it and dumps you. What a twist. If you actually do be kind to her and romance her, however (which is an option) you miss some scenes early but she opens up and becomes a proper love interest down the line.

 

[Son of Durin]

I try to understand you, pals. Just show me on this puppet where Roxy hurt you.

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It's not where she hurt them, it's where they want her to hurt them and she won't.