Xill

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Thanks, i imagined it was her, is the other redhead the MC sister?
In that picture? No, iirc that's a pornstar that lives in his town. Either that or a really famous model, think it's the first but I can't really remember.

He doesn't have a sister. He has a cousin who's kind of a bitch apparently, but she doesn't live with him.
 

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he changed a lot of things...i'm critical about it(enough that if people will call me hater, i would agree with them)

now MC has tons of issues:
- He is physically weak, he is 19, tall like a 12 years old kid.
- He broke both his wrists and now suffers from tremors(which get worse when he is anxious)
- apparently the young bimbo nuns did some bad thing that caused him some School Refusal Syndrome, so he skipped school enough to become the worst student ever
- He has such a low self-esteem that basically he has almost constant anxiety when dealing with girls/women
- Elena the teacher is corrupted by money, insult him a lot...still admired and loved by MC(somehow), he voted against MC for giving him a recommendation to college(he wouldn't get it anyway, because decent reasons like skipping school a lot)
- New Character: The Principal of the school(which also is the Mayor of the city)...also corrupted/She liked money and is easily bribable
- New Character: Zachary, the school bully, who also bribed his way to college recommendation, also his family own like 90% of the town either legally or thanks to bribes
- His own mother while still love him, has: addiction to alcohol, gambling, and smoking, her mother and sister are awful and slapped MC once for shouting "fuck college, i'm going to find a job" , and because of MC's mother's addictions, the both of them are in huge debt(like barely capable to have three decent meals a day)
- Needless to say, MC skipped school a lot because of his anxieties...meaning that will never go to college(but his mom doesn't know...YET)
- We didn't see yet: The bimbo Nuns, the Nanny, the pornstar, and the chubby childhood friend
- MC couldn't stand for himself without being either insulted or mocked by the people who actually insist on saying that they have MC's best interests at heart(Elena the sexy teacher who wanted to be a writer, and the new principal)
- MC's self-esteem is so low that he believes that his only way to solve every problem he has, is to marry a rich old woman(like Elena or the new principal, or a few other MILFs mentioned in the prologue but that i don't remember the names) but he is not smart, and the dev didn't show us any of MC's good traits.

so yeah, the situation looks very dark...but there will not be any NTR at all(the dev told us)
I agree with most of this, if not somewhat with all of it. And I'll add that the failure lies in the teacher and principal for failing the student also, as the things leading to MCs refusal of going to school should be painfully obvious... As long as there's no bribes involved, that serves as a deterrent to stop the bullying etc., that is. Then it's the students fault the school failed to produce an environment suitable for learning, and administer proper guidance. The thing that got me first was that Elena turned into Apate, instead of being a Elpis, which killed her for me. She was top 3 for me in the old version, but her accepting an obvious bribe like that just felt way too wrong with how I'd expect things to be, with a "beacon of hope" character, and tossed her in the bin for me on principle as a easily bought and untrustworthy character, as it seems like she's been activly colluding with the principal, and by proxy, passively the mayor, from the start, and found the money worth destroying her own worth as a teacher and human being, alongside the lives of at least three students IIRC(MC+2 others).
Even half of the problems the MC is having should be more than enough, cause as it is now, it's just way too much. Especially since we see absolutely no noteworthy traits in any way to contrast the shitlist that is the MCs life.

TL;DR: Too much shit tacked on the mc. Too radical changes on some previously established characters. Not enough "light on the other side of the tunnel" material to justify the shitlist we experience as the MCs life, even if it gets expanded on with good traits etc, after the demo, it might be too late for many fans of the old game, and potentially many newcomers. Need that flashlight to guide us with even a sliver of believeable hope in the demo too.


All that being said though, I hope it turns out just as good if not better than the original, as I like the new layout with the wiki thing and all that, and IIRC no longer sandbox. I love that there's more story to be had, and deeper story, but as is, there's just too ridiculously much shit hitting the fan for the MC, both past and present, and what I remember to be a strict, but still very loveable character, became the personification of unforgivable insult and betrayal, without any proper reason as to how or why. I might misremember Elena though, and I trust that I will be corrected on that too, if I am.

Edit: grammar/spelling corrections due to keycaps no longer having letters or even paint left on them, and writing a wall of text whilst mildly sleep depraved. WIP as I catch them one by one:whistle:
 
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I'm just spitballing ideas on how to fix the story, I'm not a writer or a patron but I do think a couple of changes can go a long way.
- Give the MC a job when he was skipping school instead of only just playing video games. (and doesn't have anymore because of he thought he was going to collage or something) And most of the money went to helping Mom pay bills and stuff.
- The job doesn't have to define him but it does help in deepening the character and maybe useful in gameplay I.E. Chef that makes sweets to give to the ladies, Tour guide and gain more reputation, Librarian and likes to make his own books like the scrap book in the original game, etc something the not make the MC a 100% loser more like a 50-60% loser like us.
- Elena doesn't have to like the fact MC picked work over school but could be more understanding of his situation, while still being tough on him, and try to help him get into collage but got out voted on or couldn't vote because she friends with Mom.
- Elena could have said and done more on her distaste Zachary and his family's funding because it ruins the art of learning or something, but can't do anything about it and has to play along or else she'll lose her job.
- The only problem I had with the Mom (technically two because I'm worried that Waifston might get kicked off of patreon because she the biological mom and all that) is that she forgot about how her family treated her and cried about it. Even know it seems like something she wouldn't forget about.
- Other then that the rest of the new characters are fine, Zachary is a bully who's not going to cuck us but just be an annoying antagonist, and the Principal/Mayor is corrupted but she could be voted out or be corruptible by MC or something else.


I like where the game is going, the UI is great, the animations are top tier. And if we are getting the good parts of the original game like the scrap book full of character information + little details, and who ever is the first affects their story, then this is going to be one of the best H games in my eyes at least. I trust anyone that tries to remake a good game into a better one, that takes guts.
But all I do is wait and see. Good luck Waifston. o7
 
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I had some time to think and the biggest thing people should be worried about is the fact that he is starting from sratch again al those months and years of progress gone for some better images and animations and allot of people dont like the story changes i hope he reads this and maybe changes his mind and goes back to work on the game like before not this remake thing.
i couldn't care less about starting from scratch...Waifston so far is being nothing but a good developer...i'm worried about the quality, i can wait for stuff, i'm still waiting for all the endings of FreeloadingFamily (or whatever the name of the game was, i honestly forgot...bc i'm waiting too much XD)
 

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Please dont take the comments personally. Dont be be discouraged by the more critical comments here. People care enough to comment which is a good sign and its a heck of a lot more than some other project have going for them.

First, Let me say that I like the new direction you have taken to telling the story. The presentation and amount of detail you put in is simply phenomenal, even the first game has way more interactions than 90% of adult games I've played.

That being said I can't help but agree with some of the criticisms. I understand that you are trying to go for a deeper more compelling story, which is great. I personally love that, and a lot of others do too. However, I think right now, the new direction is kind of a double edged sword. The story now comes off as much less light hearted and because of that, with so much going bad for the MC it is difficult to see how he could ever possibly work himself out of it. Which really gives the game a tone of hopelessness for the MC. A stark difference from the previous version of the game.

The other issue is the change in character for previously established people in the story. Much like the current MC we are kinda left to assume that they have redeeming qualities after being ...blasted in the face by all their negative traits right off the bat.
Ill get to Elena in a moment but for me personally Alice was extremely jarring. In the previous game we all knew she had a delinquent side in her past, but she seemed like she had mostly matured past that stage and learned from her mistakes...mostly. Right now though...and believe me, I hate to say it, but she comes off as a 40 year old tramp. Gambling, Alcoholic, smoker, forgetful, dropped out of school at 16, and 24 years later its like she hasn't learned anything from life. I love that the MC loves his mother, but its usually because she is supposed to be a good mother/person/have some redeeming quality. Right now though with all that's been said, I was kinda left asking "why though?". He's trying to help with her problems but she just forgets? and does it again anyway? Like c'mon dude. She doesnt even say sorry or acknowledge his efforts. It's more like blind loyalty right now.

Elena....I desperately want to believe that the old Elena is in there but there are too many questions floating around the situation right now. I personally don't remember if it was directly confirmed that she personally took bribes from the Power family but it's at least very much implied and I suppose because the Principal is, then its very easy to assume she did as well.
That's not very likeable at all. Like I said, I want to believe that it's not the case and she really didnt want to but had no choice in the matter, but many others are not going to give the benefit of the doubt. Yes I know she explains the situation briefly, but it can be very easily taken as her just stating facts. There wasn't enough said about what her actions to completely clear her character. There are just too many holes in the situation presented.

Which brings me to what I think is the main issue here. Despite the hard work you have put into the story telling aspect, which is great as I have said, the Demo paints a picture of utter hopelessness, with an MC being knee deep in shit and smears him and previously established characters with a slue of negatives traits, with almost nothing positive about them to give you the sense that there is hope for something better. The demo ends with the MC deciding that his only way out is to seduce a rich influential woman to get him out of his problems....instead of doing it himself. I gotta say that course of action quite simply reads as pathetic. That's not something a person worthy of respect sets out to do. Sure it could still happen that way by chance - like idk, maybe he ends up working for somebody and they like him a lot and decide to help- but that being his main goal? That doesnt give much faith in his character direction. Seriously, nobody admirable goes to find someone else to fix their own problems, at least not like this.

Again, please dont take the criticisms personally. I know I've said some heavy stuff, but it's only because I see a gem in the rough...(and I admit I am comparing Elena and Alice to the previous game. I really liked them as they were).
It is clear that you put a lot of effort into this project and I'm sure I am not alone in saying that it has potential. But! that doesn't mean you can't take some feedback into consideration. You have a good base, its just some details are...inconsistent with the direction the game is going in. I won't repeat what someone else said earlier about a certain 3 letter tag, that comment hurt even me as I read it. lets just leave it there.

I loved the previous game and I think you can make something truly worthy of praise. Taking a new direction, you probly wont get it right the first time, but nobody does. As always, the overall presentation and visual quality of the renders is some of the best I've seen.
So going forward, just remember to stay positive while going through the critiques. It comes with the territory. Take the time to consider what is valid and try to ignore the unhelpful ones.
And remember at the end of the day It's your game. You just have to find a way to tell the story you want, but in a way that is consistent and cohesive.
I hope I have at the very least given you some encouragement.

Cheers
 

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Please dont take the comments personally. Dont be be discouraged by the more critical comments here. People care enough to comment which is a good sign and its a heck of a lot more than some other project have going for them.

First, Let me say that I like the new direction you have taken to telling the story. The presentation and amount of detail you put in is simply phenomenal, even the first game has way more interactions than 90% of adult games I've played.
Huh...I wrote a lot more than I thought I would.
 
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Waifston Look at the growth your patreon had in the last month, you're definitely doing something right otherwise that wouldn't happen.
I've been thinking about the significant increase in Patreons. Are people donating because they like his work and think he is in the right direction or are they donating because they want to have early access to updates? Those who donate receive the updates 20 days before being made available for free, the problem is: if those who donated do not like the update they will rarely donate again. Waifston should think about it, not even games with established names like Harem Hotel give you the possibility to have access to the update 20 days in advance. I am not against early access for those who donate to developers, but Waifston's priority should be to be able to attract as many followers as possible before anything. Waifston may have reached $ 2,000 in Patreon last month, but we don't know if he will be able to reach that amount every month. If I were Waifston I would not quit my current job at the moment, and would seriously consider making small monthly and not weekly updates. It is easier to follow people's feed back that way than to dedicate 3/4 months in an update and receive a shower of criticism.

Waifston
 

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i won't quote your message but you explained what i meant with my comments, way better than i could possibly do, so if somebody asks, tell them that i agree with you(at least for this first part of the demo XD)

honestly your post is simply perfect <3
 
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I don't know if I should post this, but the developer left a poll to see what the player wants if they want the continuation of the old content or continue working on the new remake. It also lets us know what is coming for the future of unlimited Pleasure for future updates
 

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I don't know if I should post this, but the developer left a poll to see what the player wants if they want the continuation of the old content or continue working on the new remake. It also lets us know what is coming for the future of unlimited Pleasure for future updates
graphically, i still prefer the new version u.u also #IVoted
 
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I don't know if I should post this, but the developer left a poll to see what the player wants if they want the continuation of the old content or continue working on the new remake. It also lets us know what is coming for the future of unlimited Pleasure for future updates
So… he is planning to release almost 10k of renders and more than 400 animations in three months.

I smell something here... Can’t put my finger on it tho.
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:poop::poop::poop:
 
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The poll itself is unnecessary, people know he wants to continue working on the Premium Edition.
Waifston needs to understand that people criticize what he does because these people know that he can do much better and not because they are simply 'haters'. Or does he think we really like to come back here and expose ourselves by making a constructive criticism so that in the end we come out as ungrateful people who just want to make people feel bad?
 
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