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Ka1tzer

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I believe a simpler explanation for many of these things can be attributed to the explosive and exaggerated reactions people had over the last update on account of it not matching 100% of what people wanted it to be. That has been discussed ad nauseum at the time.

If the update was considered "disastrous" it was mostly on account of it not matching some folks unreasonable expectations for it and then making a huge deal out of it in here, where it resonated with a lot of people who prefer to adopt other people's opinions and/or be led by others instead of doing it themselves.

There were flaws in the update for sure, but really nothing to justify the nuclear reaction it got other than a mismatch of preferences - and nothing as nuclear as, say, a bait & switch surprise ntr or something the likes of that that goes to the extreme opposite of what the game's original audience expected.

The thing that a lot of people keep harping on is the blackmail - which is indeed kinda sussy. However these same people also somehow always forget/fail to mention that the MC went into the meeting with the full intention of blackmailing the character in question (Akira), but has the tables turned on him because this kind of "shady warfare" is something she deals with ever since she was born - all that is justified and shown in the little content that the game has to offer.

But did any of that matter? Nope. Was the power dynamics approach a bad idea? Possibly, but it was executed in, arguably, one of the mildest ways possible since it never turns into full on femdom or something abusive - as a matter of fact, it turns into a good opportunity that is very attractive to the MC in all regards other than the fact that he was coerced into accepting what just so happens to be an excellent deal for him. Much wow.

This game is an example of how something good can easily backfire depending on the audience it attracts along with how the dev deals with the response of the people that experience their work.

And the way the dev responded didn't help either - with basically near radio silence regarding everything that has to do with the development of the game, very few "official reports". Basically, the dev retreated into his own shell. Which I won't criticize or justify, judge or condemn since that's neither here nor there, but the fact remains that this is a big problem in regards to the management of the product and people's expectations.

At any rate, from what I've observed, I fear that the next update, if it ever comes, will likely mark the end of this otherwise amazing game with incredible promise and prospects because I doubt it will 100% satisfy the people that, despite throwing nuclear shit at the game, for some reason still hang around and continue to watch the game's thread like hawks. Unless the game somehow scores an absolute miraculous win across the board, that is. And in regard to this bleak outlook I'm having, I sincerely hope that I'm proven wrong.

Just regrettable.
 
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EETPMC

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Are you confusing the subscriber count with revenue per month? Because a few hundred dollars is nowhere even close to thousands of dollars. You can have similar subscriber counts while having completely different revenues.

I think you need to re-read my previous comments, I never denied he had a drop in subscribers, I said it's surprising the subscribers have been low (as in all time). He has never had what I would call a rapid growth, it's always been pretty low. The highest levels he had is really not that much. Hence, I can understand why development is slow compared to other projects.

It's silly for people to say progress has stopped when it's only been a few months and this never was a popular project that would be reasonable to demand regular monthly updates. There are even some games that make a lot (well relatively speaking compared to August) of money and only have one real content update a year. lol Mythic Manor for example.
 
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Tiur

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Are you confusing the subscriber count with revenue per month? Because a few hundred dollars is nowhere even close to thousands of dollars. You can have similar subscriber counts while having completely different revenues.
No, I am not.

The yellow lines are subscriber counts. The blue lines are revenue per month. Left side scale is always subscriber counts, since not all graphs include revenue per month values. You can see the scales. You can even go reproduce them at Graphtreon.

He has never had what I would call a rapid growth, it's always been pretty low.
'Pretty low' is irrelevant to rapid growth. Rapid is talking about speed.

From Patreon launch (Apr '23) to Jul '23 (a 3-month span), August gained about 75 subs.
From then until Oct '23 (another 3-month span), he doubled that to his peak of just over 150 subs.

That is an extremely rapid Patreon launch for an AVN.

The second graph had a 75-sub gain over a 9-month span from launch instead.
The third graph took around 15 months to reach around 75 subs.
The fourth graph goes longer and higher, but the first ~6 months (which is about 75 subs) are still a slower gain than August.
The fifth graph took about 8 months to hit 75 subs.
The sixth graph timescale is harder to see clearly, but it's around 6 months for the initial 75 subs.

Remember for these comparisons that August got to 75 subs in 3 months, half the time of the second fastest growth in these graphs. And then August did it again (another 75 on top of that) in the next 3 months.

You can have whatever opinion you want about August's relative popularity, but denying that his initial growth wasn't rapid is counter to reality.
 

EETPMC

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Dude... 150 subs. lol That's not a lot at all. There are n00b AI "artists" with a higher subscriber count than that when they start. I've even seen some really bad low effort AI or Unity games here with that amount of subs on their pages (and honestly I don't even know why anyone would donate to those guys when there are better devs). Not that I'm necessarily against AI, but most people hate them, so those guys generally really struggle to get a following as most people won't even try any game with AI assets, and yet they are usually doing a lot better than that.
 

bASKOU

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I believe a simpler explanation for many of these things can be attributed to the explosive and exaggerated reactions people had over the last update on account of it not matching 100% of what people wanted it to be. That has been discussed ad nauseum at the time.

If the update was considered "disastrous" it was mostly on account of it not matching some folks unreasonable expectations for it but then making a huge deal out of it in here, where it resonated with a lot of people who prefer to adopt other people's opinions and/or be led by others instead of doing it themselves.

There were flaws in the update for sure, but really nothing to justify the nuclear reaction it got other than a mismatch of preferences - and nothing as nuclear as a bait & switch surprise ntr or something that goes to the extreme opposite of what the game's original audience expected.

The thing that a lot of people keep harping on is the blackmail - which is indeed kinda sussy. However these same people also, somehow always forget/fail to mention that the MC went into the meeting with the full intention of blackmailing the character in question (Akira), but has the tables turned on him because this kind of "shady warfare" is something she deals with ever since she was born - all that is justified and shown in the little content that the game has to offer.

But did any of that matter? Nope. Was the power dynamics approach a bad idea? Possibly, but it was executed in, arguably, one of the mildest ways possible since it never turns into full on femdom or something abusive - as a matter of fact, it turns into a good opportunity that is very attractive to the MC in all regards other than the fact that he was coerced into accepting what just so happens to be an excellent deal for him. Much wow.

This game is an example of how something good can easily backfire depending on the audience it attracts along with how the dev deals with the response of the people that experience their work.

And the way the dev responded didn't help either - with basically near radio silence regarding everything that has to do with the development of the game, very few "official reports". Basically, the dev retreated into his own shell. Which I won't criticize or justify, judge or condemn since that's neither here nor there, but the fact remains that this is a big problem in regards to the management of the product and people's expectations.

At any rate, from what I've observed, I fear that the next update, if it ever comes, will likely mark the end of this otherwise amazing game with incredible promise and prospects because I doubt it will 100% satisfy the people that despite throwing nuclear shit at the game, for some reason still hang around and continue to watch the game's thread like hawks. Unless the game somehow scores an absolute miraculous win across the board, that is. And in regard to this bleak outlook I'm having, I sincerely hope that I'm proven wrong.

Just regrettable.
You've said it all.

I think the dev is totally right to stay silent with ungrateful people, he seems pretty affected by what people say. So if it let him make the game the way he wants it to be, so be it! Let's wait and see if the game continu or not. I sincerly hope it does.
 

camube

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They're really not. All of those graphs are max zoom, so from their oldest recorded Patreon data onwards. Every single one of those graphs starts MUCH shallower than August's.

Beyond that, there are only two creators there making remotely enough to treat it as a job. I left the scales on the screenshots specifically to avoid people making the incorrect assumptions you're making here.

I am not. I honestly don't know what you're reading into my intentions, but I posted these as part of an explanation specifically answering someone saying they thought it was odd that August had so few subscribers. I have no investment in August anymore, since I cancelled my sub after 0.3 and my post about it in this thread, nor do I have any investment in faster updates from August. There was so much potential in 0.1 and 0.2, and August has so much writing talent, that I'd love to see the game return in a more constructive fashion... But I don't have particularly high hopes given the dev's lack of any response to 0.3's reception (his last post here was the exact same day as Patreon release of 0.3 to his then-largest tier, the same one I was on; I sent my criticism of 0.3 to him privately on Patreon first to give him a chance to digest and respond if he wanted to, but he did not, so I also posted it here upon public release).

The point of my posts were: three events all occurred at roughly the same time, shortly after 0.3's release: (1) a sharp uptick in criticism of the game's story (not just from me), (2) a sharp dropoff of subscriber numbers on Patreon (this is fact, as shown in the graph I posted), and (3) August retreating to his Discord 10 days prior to the release (oddly enough, coinciding with Patreon release), and never posting here again afterwards. I know that correlation isn't causation, but IMO this points pretty strongly to "the poor reception to 0.3" being the cause of all three.
which story part was received badly for update 0.3? it's been some time since i play it but i don't particularly have any dissatisfaction from it so i'm wondering
 
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Dessolos

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which story part was received badly for update 0.3? it's been some time since i play it but i don't particularly have any dissatisfaction from it so i'm wondering
this was asked a page or 2 back. This was my reply

the blackmail it's a mixed opinion some hate it or view the MC as someone weaker than he should. Then there are those like myself that don't agree with that at all and can understand how she got the upperhand on him. Only thing I do dislike about is he did act like it was no big deal later and texted and talked to the blackmailer and her partner like they were friends or something. As to me it felt weird to do so but at the same time it showed me another side of them. Now I don't hate them for the blackmail anymore as I felt like it's more than meets the eye and makes them seem like an interesting pair of characters. So now I want to learn as much as I can find out about them as I feel like there is another reason for the blackmail as now I dont get the feeling there is any Malice behind it or they would follow through with it.
To add onto what I said I saw a comment mention the MC was planning to blackmail her as well i don't recall this part.
 
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BlasKyau

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To add onto what I said I saw a comment mention the MC was planning to blackmail her as well i don't recall this part.
As I've said in discord, I don't like the idea that the MC intended to blackmail her (I don't actually remember that part, but I'm going to assume that's the case). That said, it doesn't change my opinion regarding Akira.
 

Dessolos

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As I've said in discord, I don't like the idea that the MC intended to blackmail her (I don't actually remember that part, but I'm going to assume that's the case). That said, it doesn't change my opinion regarding Akira.
yeah same I don't recall it at all just saw a comment about it so figure id add onto that lol. Not even sure the MC even knew about Akira before the blackmail I need to replay the game to remember. So i'm hesitant to believe it but I also don't recall the game very well right now.

Assuming it's true doesn't change anything for me either even tho we have opposite opinions on Akira as a LI / character for the MC. She is still in the wrong even if the MC tried to do it first as it wasn't a last minute attempt to fight against the MC's blackmail she was prepared to do it beforehand.
 
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Ka1tzer

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Welp.

If you're holding a sword and trying to attack others with it, do you really get to complain when the opponent ripostes and counters? "You're still in the wrong cause you hurt me!!"

Context matters, and it's being adamantly and worse -willfully and intentionally ignored.

Then folks wonder why dev lost his passion for developing the game.
 

bASKOU

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Blackmail is really not well received by a part of the viewer of HS games. But I don't think this a majority, we mostly see the critics but many are not bothered by it. It's part of the story, and if it's there it have a meaning and follow the way the creator want it to be. I think people can be critical about it, if in the end it was useless and didn't serve the story or to build the MC.

Many hate to not always be in the dominant side of the story all the time, even more if it's a woman who have the edge over the MC.

Personnaly I like stories where the MC struggle, have to make everything possible to get what he wants and sometime fail, this is the way of life, you fall and rise stronger. It's far better for me than a game where a LI say "Nobody ever fucked me as good as you, you are the best!!!", but she's virgin how can she know that ???
 

Wolfram99

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Many hate to not always be in the dominant side of the story all the time, even more if it's a woman who have the edge over the MC.

Personnaly I like stories where the MC struggle, have to make everything possible to get what he wants and sometime fail, this is the way of life, you fall and rise stronger. It's far better for me than a game where a LI say "Nobody ever fucked me as good as you, you are the best!!!", but she's virgin how can she know that ???
I agree that problems make the character grow. But what we are truly salty about is that the MC treats his blackmailer pretty much with love, regardless of your choice.
If i were to give a parallel(not related to this game) to typical AVN shenanigans:
If the game so far treated player choice with respect, and then suddenly you get a forced femdom scene where MC wholeheartedly is into it, it makes players say wtf and complain on forums.

The MC having a backbone is good, and it doesn't mean it should be indomitable, but so far it looks like MC is turned into sort of a simp.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Dev likes the girls he created way more than MC, and MC is there just to entertain their quirks.
 

Wolfram99

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MC: trolls and mocks Akira for is own fun despite being blackmailed
Some people: "he is a simp"

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The troll option is hidden behind an Akira+1 option isn't it?
He takes whatever akira and her henchman throws at him and rolls with it happily, the last apartment scene should have been hidden behind the Henchman+1 option.
 
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starkj

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Is the game actually abandoned or it's just F95 rules since there's been no patreon update since June?
 

Dessolos

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Is the game actually abandoned or it's just F95 rules since there's been no patreon update since June?
id say more the rules unless something has changed with the dev. He just sucks with communication mostly. But from I recall he did run into some hurdles with the deveolopment in the writing department I think. So that probably delayed things by quite alot
 
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