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If you're accepting sex to avoid being raped in a dungeon, then no that is not consent lol. Coercion is still rape. It's a fantasy game so who really cares, but there is a reason "accepting" an offer of sex from someone in a position of power to you (like your boss irl) is considered non-consensual and sexual assault/harassment.
 
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Technically speaking, once you move a Wench to the palace (from the Holding Cell), she is not required to have sex with you. She can stay there the whole game, contributing her talents to the Khaganate but keeping her pants on.
 
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This is the waaaaaay before tit for tat revenge absolute ages before the dark ages of torturing
the accused to make her confess to something that would get her executed.
We are in a Rome/Persia empire setting where conquered people became slaves,
objects to the conqueror.
If you're accepting sex to avoid being raped in a dungeon, then no that is not consent lol. Coercion is still rape. It's a fantasy game so who really cares, but there is a reason "accepting" an offer of sex from someone in a position of power to you (like your boss irl) is considered non-consensual and sexual assault/harassment.
In those times, the slaves, even the ones rulers used as their personal assistants,
would be executed on the spot, on his command, no questions asked.
 
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If you're accepting sex to avoid being raped in a dungeon, then no that is not consent lol. Coercion is still rape. It's a fantasy game so who really cares, but there is a reason "accepting" an offer of sex from someone in a position of power to you (like your boss irl) is considered non-consensual and sexual assault/harassment.
If the MC gave them the "choice" of fucking him or being thrown in a dungeon then you would be right.
But this is NOT what happens.

You the MC have a choice of raping them or giving them government positions to make use of their skills.
If you choose the latter, when you go to them and ask "want sex" they simply say NO and the MC respects that.

After a bunch of time and effort they finally agree to have sex with the MC. Because he seduced them.
We have a word for this, Consent.
 
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I chose to not rob the Oasis merchant and took the captain of the guard with me but left the daughter. Will there be a point where I can go back and collect her too? Or did I screw something up and missed the path where I could get both of them and keep her mother happy?
 

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All those discussions about consent/rape is moot. This is a porn VN first and foremost, and its main theme are certain fetishes, like Maledom and Male domination. There are very few true Maledom games out there, and this one is a rare gem. The game is raw, and rough, uncompromising, and the setting reminds me most of Conan the Barbarian than anything else.
 

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All those discussions about consent/rape is moot. This is a porn VN first and foremost, and its main theme are certain fetishes, like Maledom and Male domination. There are very few true Maledom games out there, and this one is a rare gem. The game is raw, and rough, uncompromising, and the setting reminds me most of Conan the Barbarian than anything else.
I actually find the consent discussion really interesting, because it gets to the heart of something I've been thinking about for a while; the seduction path currently feels like two separate paths squashed together. The seduction path actually feels more dominant than the rape path, because Karder has gotten a woman from "your very presence disgusts me, paleskin" to "breed me, master" by... using Force Yield five times.

In my ideal sunshine-and-puppies world there'd be three paths;

- Council/Seduction Route: Add the wench to the council, which lets you keep her abilities but any sex is non-penetrative (they're still Wakabians, after all) or a drawn-out seduction process between "equals".

- Rape followed by mercy Route: This is the anime "fuck her until she loves it" route. Put the wench in the dungeon, have your wicked way with her, and then ease off once she's more obedient. It's like the Iceberg Slim quote, "she'll be so grateful you fixed her that she'll forget you were the one who broke her".

- Rape followed by more rape Route: This is the hardcore, actual-rape enthusiast route. Put the wench in the dungeon, where she remains until you're done with her and she's passed off to your men/goblins.
 

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I chose to not rob the Oasis merchant and took the captain of the guard with me but left the daughter. Will there be a point where I can go back and collect her too? Or did I screw something up and missed the path where I could get both of them and keep her mother happy?
You completely screwed it up. There will not be a do over.
Luckily with the chicken button (instawin combat), VN mode (godmode for TBS portion), and holding down ctrl to skip seen text you can easily redo things
 

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- Rape followed by mercy Route: This is the anime "fuck her until she loves it" route. Put the wench in the dungeon, have your wicked way with her, and then ease off once she's more obedient. It's like the Iceberg Slim quote, "she'll be so grateful you fixed her that she'll forget you were the one who broke her".
This will never happen. I offer the players moral decisions but I want them to own their choices. You want to play a (virtual) bastard? Pay the (virtual) moral price. As a player, I hate the "she actually likes it" or "she grows to like it" or whatever other authors color their moral washcloth.
 
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This will never happen. I offer the players moral decisions but I want them to own their choices. You want to play a (virtual) bastard? Pay the (virtual) moral price. As a player, I hate the "she actually likes it" or "she grows to like it" or whatever other authors flavor their moral washcloth.
Isn't that basically what you're already doing with the game now? You can ravish every wench when you conquer their fiefdom and then play them the "seduce" route and they're a-ok with that, because, as you specifically put it previously, you give the player a free pass on those rapes. I can't think of many women in the real world that would forgive and forget and work closely with, and for the benefit of, their rapist - without coercion.
 
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Fighting and ravishing the woman was the go to deal of crusaders all over the world.
Go ask the vietnamese babe that comedial shagged so much and then shot dead.
Yah, freedom fighters rape and murder, they are no heroes.
 
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Isn't that basically what you're already doing with the game now? You can ravish every wench when you conquer their fiefdom and then play them the "seduce" route and they're a-ok with that, because, as you specifically put it previously, you give the player a free pass on those rapes. I can't think of many women in the real world that would forgive and forget and work closely with, and for the benefit of, their rapist - without coercion.
To be fair the girls DO refer to your previous actions dureing the seduction routes.
They however are willing to give you a chance since it's for the benefit of their people and apparently it's a very common practice in their society
 

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This will never happen. I offer the players moral decisions but I want them to own their choices. You want to play a (virtual) bastard? Pay the (virtual) moral price. As a player, I hate the "she actually likes it" or "she grows to like it" or whatever other authors flavor their moral washcloth.
I actually had your answer here in mind when I wrote that;

Looks great, both gameplay and concept wise. I would like a mind break option for the dungeon girls though, where they get raped/trained into a corrupted follower or something. I know it's tropey, but it's a hentai staple!
1. Interesting concept. No plans for it now but it is a mechanism I might implement in the future.
2. 90% of the traits that will get me to sink my teeth into a game can be defined by others as "tropey". Fuck them.
Has your view changed or is there a distinction there?
 

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look up the genre bodice ripper.
I'm not sure how referring to fictional works contradicts my statement about women in the real world, but w/e. I will acknowledge that there are some few people in the real world somewhere that like anything you'd care to mention. I seriously doubt, in this specific case, you could convince me that EVERY leader of EVERY fiefdom would ascribe to this particular extreme kink. And it's all irrelevant, anyways. He says everyone gets a free pass on Karder raping the women when they are captured, but then says he won't ever pander to the idea of women getting raped then building a consensual, willing relationship with him. That's EXACTLY what he has set up now if you choose the seduction route in the castle. The only difference is the location of the rape(s).
 

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Isn't that basically what you're already doing with the game now? You can ravish every wench when you conquer their fiefdom and then play them the "seduce" route and they're a-ok with that, because, as you specifically put it previously, you give the player a free pass on those rapes. I can't think of many women in the real world that would forgive and forget and work closely with, and for the benefit of, their rapist - without coercion.
I'm not going to wiggle my way to some morally flawed excuse on how this makes sense, I simply think the post-combat-ravishments are very in theme of the game and I want people to enjoy them without suffering consequences later on. Like infinite ammo, health potions and limitless carrying ability, it's a clear case of Gameplay Vs. Realism where I knowingly chose to bend my own rules in favor of more streamlined gameplay. I thought a lot about this exact dilemma before implementing the feature in 0.2.

In the future I might amend this either by allowing players to toggle it off (there's a big toggle-features screen coming in 0.5) or by offering "moment of passion" post combat consensual sex as an alternative to ravishment. Hmmm...

I actually had your answer here in mind when I wrote that;

Has your view changed or is there a distinction there?
I don't think there's a distinction here so I'll go with "my view changed".
 
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