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Honestly, given the caption I was halfway to reacting with a frown. But she's too lovely for sadness.
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- Aug 30, 2017
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There's no hope. It will never be completed, unless someone else takes it up.
- Sep 4, 2018
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i have quite a powerful pc, think we could make a team effort and continue the game?
- Nov 20, 2018
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I think that sounds like a terrible idea, TBH. Lockhear is an excellent artist and yet struggles to get Astrid quite right (their own statement), so I doubt anyone would get her renders to look as good. Additionally, the storytelling, dialogue, and situations would feel suddenly different when anyone went from the end of DRG's content to the newer content to continue things. It would feel like two different games pretending to be the same one.
As far as I remember, a DRG wrote this game while he was in college And when he graduated from college and found a job, he quit
- May 4, 2017
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Go for it. It has been years since last update and I really want to see someone try.
The hardest option is try to continue the game as the expectation would be very high, but it's not impossible.
You could also do a parody or a story in the same world, there's a lot of potential wasted because the game got abandoned.
Just remember to credit DRG as he asked and it's fine.
I don't have the necessary skill but I will support people who is willing to do it.
If it fails, it fails, no worries. There's a lot of space to be good with a creative team, though.
I do believe that's how it went. He worked on Valiant Warrior Astrid while in college to earn some extra money.
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Lot of peaple worries about the renders of the character and such.
IMO: As long you can make a somewhat authentic game to this, you are winning. Call it a prequel or remake or whatever just credit the original maker. The main key to get that experience what DRG gave us.
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I would always give credit to DRG and their work, it is what would inspire so many of us to play and replay the game, make our own renders, wonder about the future of the game and also think about continuing their good work years later. But if anyone has the skills to make Astrid and wants to get involved, please inbox me xx
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I can't speak for others, but I've been really impressed with all of the fan-made renders of Astrid. They look amazing and it's also just nice to see a glimpse of that character again. I would definitely support a remake, parody, continuation, etc. of this project--including Patreon support if that's set up.
what are u on about. are u trying to gatekeep anyone from trying to continue develop this game? Lockhear is an excellent artist? so what, if he can't do this simple render of a character right how is he excellent? and its fine if it feels like a new game. it doesn't have to pretend to be the same game. you are delusional to say that its a terrible idea. from the way you talk, i can see you have no idea how a game is developed or how 3D models are rendered.
- Sep 4, 2018
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Would have been nice if DRG shared the assets they used so someone else could continue the work and have an Astrid that is exact.
- Nov 21, 2018
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You are wasting your time and effort. If you think that you have the talent to make a game, then make a game of your own. It will be better received by the players, and you'll be more likely to receive support.
But it's your time and effort to waste, so do as you please.
No, he isn't delusional. He's correct. It's a terrible idea. Rebooting someone else's abandoned game is always a terrible idea. It's been attempted dozens of times on this forum - probably scores of times - and I don't know of a single time when it was successful.
Every time some starry eyed dreamer thinks that they have what it takes to steal someone else's intellectual property and successfully complete the game, they fail. I've seen it happen over and over and over again in the time that I've been here.
Very few people want to support a reboot by an unknown artist, especially if they were really into the game before it was abandoned. They don't trust that someone else can make something comparable to the original. And while you may not care about it being like the original, most of the people who originally supported the game do care.
It's funny that you say this to someone who has been here three-and-a-half years longer than you have, and who has over 10,000 posts to your 4 posts. And it's especially funny when your remarks make it obvious that you are the one who knows little or nothing about how games are developed.
Developing a game is a long and grueling process which involves many layers of hard work. It's not just downloading some 3D assets for Daz and making a few renders. You also have to build game mechanics, compile assets, make maps, and program events. And, of course, you also have to write a story, which by itself is as difficult, time consuming, and energy draining as all of the other work combined.
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I agree with almost everything you said. It's hard to try continue a game or make a parody or whatever. It will be hard to get support because people won't trust you in the beggining and, until now, many who tried couldn't make a good continuation.
You made good points and everyone who are thinking to continue any game should read what you said.
But peepee169 is right saying you guys are gatekeeping the game for no reason too.
I may sound repetitive by my other posts, but why it's a steal when DRG was okay to publish his previous game's assets and said: "If some crazy person feels like extending the existing content and wanted to share it online, feel free. Just give me credit as the original author. But I won't be involved in any way. Oh, and you can't charge money for it." ?
Why are we even talking about stealing in a forum filled with free downloads of paid games?
Parodies can be under fair-use of Copyright and depending of the country of the new creator can be fully, entirely legal, so it's not stealing too.
You guys say you care about the game but sound more like you just don't want anybody touching it like you own the thing. Caring about something is wanting it alive, real and having a proper finish. Maybe you are mixing it up with possessing it which is more related to creating a control and restraint over the game. People who care about the game would quickly go over a new version and say things like "amazing" or say a constructive criticism like "I didn't like your game because of this and that".
Not only models were awesome, there's a lot of mechanisms in VWA using RPGM that no one tried to recreate until now and talking about mechanisms, the lessons Astrid can take in the academy is a big parody of Akabur's Witch Trainer game... So, yeah, imagine his fans saying DRG is an asshole because he "copied" Akabur's idea.
Outside porn games there are a lot of amazing fanmade work. Black Mesa is a very good recreation of Half-Life that even Steam recognized it. Skyrim is still selling because Bethesda keeps milking fan creations. Some dudes messed with Warcraft III and created Dota, then some other people made League of Legends and HoN. How many copies of Vampire Survivors are out there already? A lot are as good as the original. You may say no game surpassed Stardew Valley, but it was heavily inspired by Harvest Moon, the original farm game.
You got the point, so why don't we just let people do their magic?
- Nov 21, 2018
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I'm not gatekeeping. Did you not read this line from my previous post?
SukhiX wants someone to collaborate on a remake of this game, but that's just not going to work out. After watching her post about it several times over the past two weeks, I decided to break the bad news to her, so that she can move on to more fruitful pursuits.
She's free to try to prove me wrong. I'm not going to do a single thing to hinder her efforts. But I thought someone should be honest with her about her chances of success.
Yes, DRG gave people permission to carry on his previous game, Valentina's Story. And how did that work out? The attempted remake was abandoned more quickly than the original game. And that's what always happens when someone other than the original creator tries to carry on with an abandoned game.
But the fact that DRG gave people permission to carry on with VS does not automatically mean that he'd be okay with them doing the same with VWA. Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. We can't ask him.
Also, his restriction that anyone carrying on with his previous game couldn't charge money or ask for monetary support was a project killer. It costs money to make a game. And it costs a hell of a lot of time and effort and trouble. And if you can't get any money for your efforts, then you're going to burn out all the sooner.
I think you and I have had this conversation before, but I'll repeat what I've said in the past. Not everyone here on F95 Zone is a pirate. Not all of us are okay with stealing from creators. Some of us use this site as a way of finding new games, interacting with people who share our interests, and maybe interacting with the game developers.
Yes, I understand that this is also a pirate forum. I don't have to approve of that in order to find the forum useful.
This is the "no true Scotsman" argument, which is a common logical fallacy. You can say that "people who care about the game will only act this way", but I can turn it around and say the same thing, only changing the requirements. I can argue that anyone who truly cared about the game wouldn't want to see it bastardized and cheapened. Neither argument proves that the other person doesn't care. Neither one of us gets to decide who does or doesn't care, or what a person would or would not do if they cared.
As for your accusation that those of us who object to a remake are trying to possess the game, or that we act like we own it, how exactly would someone other than the creator own this game? Do I, as one of the players, have some sort of legal recourse to prevent remakes? Do I have the ability to prevent people from downloading the game? Do I have any ability at all to stop someone from extracting and decompiling the game files?
Tell me exactly how I've acted like I own or possess the game. Explain your absurd accusation.
Are you suggesting that I don't want people copying the mechanics from this game? When did I say that?
Explain to me exactly how I'm stopping anyone from doing anything. Are you suggesting that my arguing against the idea somehow prevents them from doing it?