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Rico Caramba

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You say your game has had little follow up. Well, I'm going to give you some reasons why that happened. And I'm going to tell you with total sincerity and, from my point of view, so it's more than likely that I'm not right, of course.

(Este texto está más abajo también en español)

The idea of the game is good and gave rise to many interesting situations, but that hasn't happened, the game is very boring.

The graphics may be better, but that's not so important if you compensate with a good story. There are games that have much worse graphics than yours, but as more things happen in the story and there are more interesting characters than yours, they have had a little more success.

MC only intervenes for some surveys that don't contribute anything to the game and some conversations without interest. The decisions to be taken are neither relevant nor seem to serve any purpose. This makes the player not feel that he is immersed in the game at any time. And to see just what's going on, I'd better watch a movie.

The story itself says nothing. A lot of absurd situations and little else. You needed a story, like all good stories, with an attractive approach, an interesting development and a great ending, but the only thing that exists is a good approach and a very questionable development.

Your attempts at humor are not good enough, your jokes are not funny.

You make too many references to other games, this will make you look very good with your friends, but the player has too much of it. You also address the player too much during the game, either by reminding him of the use of the H or when he should save the game, either by asking for opinions or help for the patreon. The important thing is the story of the game itself, not other games, not your friends, not the keys, or anything that takes you away from the main plot. No matter how much you remind the player of the theme of Patreon, if the story doesn't appeal to them, they won't support you.

It is very rare that an alien who has never had contact with a man knows, by infused science, how to give a blowjob. It is not logical. The sexual awkwardness of the two protagonists could have been used as something fun, but you haven't exploited that enough.

For me personally, the fact that there are few scenes of explicit sex doesn't bother me, female nudes are enough, but many people do. And you should take that into account as well.

The initial idea was for much more, I can think of some ideas, such as telling the story of the two earthlings in Gynè in a parallel way, or that the girls are dedicated to spying on people's sexual activities in brothels, hospitals, companies, or schools, this would give rise to compromising and funny situations? Even if one or more men were kidnapped to study them physically... In other words, more than two girls living surrounded by geeks in a crappy dormitory or an internet exhibitionist in her lover's house.

It is a pity. The game promises a lot in the beginning, but gives very little in the end.

I hope I haven't bothered you or offended you, I just wanted to give you my personal opinion, as a player and as a writer (I write novels, but not visual ones, but the usual ones in ebooks and on paper...hehehe) especially so you don't make the same mistakes in your next game.

And if in your next game you travel with the main characters from motel to motel and from gas station to gas station, without an interesting story, you might not do very well either. Above all, don't forget to give the MC the leading role. It is very important that the player thinks that he is inside the game.

Anyways, thank you very much for your work.

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Dices que tu juego ha tenido poco seguimiento. Pues yo te voy a dar algunas razones por las que ha pasado eso. Y te lo voy a decir con total sinceridad y, desde mi punto de vista, por lo que es más que probable que no tenga razón, por supuesto.

La idea del juego es buena y daba pie a muchas situaciones interesantes, pero eso no ha sucedido, el juego es muy aburrido.

Los gráficos pueden ser mejores, pero eso no es tan importante si se compensa con una buena historia. Hay juegos que tienen gráficos bastante peores que los tuyos, pero como en la historia pasan más cosas y hay personajes más interesantes que los tuyos, han tenido algo más de éxito.

El MC no interviene nada más que para algunas encuestas que no aportan nada al juego y unas conversaciones sin interés. Las decisiones a tomar ni son relevantes ni parecen servir para nada. Esto hace que el jugador no sienta que está inmerso en el juego en ningún momento. Y para ver solo lo que está pasando, mejor me pongo a ver una película.

La historia en sí, no dice nada. Un montón de situaciones absurdas y poco más. Necesitabas una historia, como todas las buenas historias, con un planteamiento atractivo, un desarrollo interesante y un gran desenlace, pero lo único que hay es un buen planteamiento y un desarrollo muy cuestionable.

Tus intentos de humor no son lo suficientemente buenos, tus bromas no divierten.

Haces demasiadas referencias a otros juegos, esto te hará quedar muy bien con tus amigos, pero al jugador le sobra. También te diriges demasiado al jugador durante el juego, ya sea recordándole el uso de la H o cuando debe salvar el juego, ya sea pidiendo opiniones o ayuda para el patreon. Lo importante es la historia del juego en sí, no otros juegos, ni tus amigos, ni las teclas, ni nada que te aleje de la trama principal. Por mucho que recuerdes al jugador el tema del Patreon, si la historia no le gusta, no te apoyará.

Resulta muy raro que una extraterrestre que no ha tenido jamás contacto con un hombre sepa, por ciencia infusa, cómo hacer una mamada. No es lógico. La torpeza sexual de las dos protagonistas podría haber sido utilizada como algo divertido, pero eso no lo has explotado lo suficiente.

A mí, personalmente, el que haya pocas escenas de sexo explícito no me molesta, con los desnudos femeninos me basta, pero a mucha gente sí. Y eso también deberías tenerlo en cuenta.

El planteamiento inicial daba para mucho más, a mí se me ocurren algunas ideas, como contar la historia de las dos terrestres en Gynè de forma paralela, o que las chicas se dediquen a espiar las actividades sexuales de la gente en burdeles, hospitales, empresas, o colegios, esto daría pie a situaciones comprometidas y divertidas... Incluso que secuestraran a uno o varios hombres para estudiarlos físicamente... O sea, algo más que dos chicas viviendo rodeadas de frikis en una residencia cutre o una exhibicionista de internet en la casa de su amante.

Es una lástima. El juego promete mucho al principio, pero da muy poco al final.

Espero no haberte molestado ni ofendido, solo quería darte mi opinión personal, como jugador y como escritor (escribo novelas, pero no visuales, sino de las de siempre en ebook y en papel...jejeje) sobre todo para que no cometas los mismos errores en tu próximo juego.

Y si en tu próximo juego te dedicas a viajar con los protagonistas de motel en motel y de gasolinera en gasolinera, sin una historia interesante, es posible que tampoco te vaya muy bien. Sobre todo no olvides darle protagonismo al MC. Es muy importante que el jugador piense que está dentro del juego.

En cualquier caso, muchas gracias por tu trabajo.
You haven't bothered or offended me at all. I want to thank you for the time you invested to write this. To me, the hardest part of writing and publishing my first visual novel was that I got hardly any response at all. Some people seemed to like it, though. And some people thougt it was funny.

I think you are right in many points. My biggest fault is that I haven't been able to make clear what the purpose of my story was. I didn't want to make fun of naive, slutty girls. Neither did I want to write from the perspective of a male protagonist, corrupting them. Or exploit the feelings of jealousy some people have. I didn't even want to write about aliens. The initial reason why I started writing this, was that I was rather offended by, what I perceive as, double standards in games. It's perfectly normal if a guy fucks every girl around, but girls cannot do that. I've know quite a few women who had a rather wild sex life when they were young, and, honestly, they really did well in the rest of their lives.

I wanted to turn things around a bit. What would happen if girls had the same rights as men in a porn story? What would happen if women would pursue men, rather than men pursuing women. For that I invented some alien women that would look at our society pretty much in the way 16th or 17th century explorers looked at exotic, "primitive" societies. Nat would be the explorer, researching sex, what she thinks is the essence of male/femal interaction. And doing that from a perspective or moral superiority. Gerti is the outsider, finding out about love, but not picking the best guy for it.

So, your suggestions about what might have happened are useful and legit. They might very well have made a more interesting story, but not the story I wanted to tell.

I still think my idea was a good one, but I agree that the execution could have been much, much better. Having said that, if I hadn't done this, if I hadn't taken the risk making and publishing this, I wouldn't have learned what I know now.

My next step in the learning process is finishing it, putting an end to it. So the story will get a proper ending, to be published probably within the next two weeks.
 

voyeurkind

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I personally very much enjoyed the idea you are attempting to convey. One of the biggest issues I have with the vast majority of female protagonist games is that ghd protagonist had no agency: stuff just happens to her and her only choice is to take it. This game was a breath of fresh air in that regard and I was looking forward to see where it would go.

Unfortunately we've had a number of updates and I feel like I'm still waiting for something to happen. There's lots of conversation but it seems as if the plot hasn't started yet.

I do think that this might work better if the MC was either Nat or Gertie and they had choices over what they did or didn't do (for an example of this done well, check out the gane Pale Pure, where you're allowed to take the role of one of two female protagonists). Having no control over the action of the game is a little off-putting to a lot of gamers, myself included.

The game doesn't need to be nonstop sex, but it does need to have a plot that moves forward. Otherwise it's going to lose any momentum that it may have started with.
 

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While Halloween is getting near, or it’s equivalent in my country: Saint Martin’s day, I am working on the last bits of episode 7 of Venus Attracts. I have decided it will be the last episode of season one. And although I have plenty of story left to tell, I have yet to decide if there will be a season two in the near future. If there is going to be a second season, it will be a separate visual novel, that can be played independently from the first season.

It’s all about demand. As much as I enjoy writing and developing Venus Attracts, I had hoped for a little bit more audience. I can see why that didn’t happen. The story is different from most other stories, and perhaps not as easy to like or understand. There is not a lot to fap. And, most of all, the graphics, especially in the first episodes, are sub par. And although I like to think that the graphics have much improved in the later episodes, everybody who wants to enjoy them must pass these first episodes. I have spent more than a year, often seven days a week and more than ten hours per day writing and developing it. I enjoyed every bit of it, but it’s time to call it quits.

While Venus Attracts is on hold, I am planning to publish a totally different Visual Novel. It will be called “Back Home”. It will be a kind of road movie. So, again, not the typical porn story. You will play a guy who is stuck in a holiday resort after missing his flight back home, while his best friend, his luggage and the exciting girl he met on the last night of his stay, are on it. You want to get back home a.s.a.p, and you will need all the help you can get.

But before that, I want to finish this first season properly. Don’t expect it to be released before Halloween (October 31st), but if all goes well maybe somewhere around Saint Martin’s day (November 11th).

Hey, I am not one of your players but wanted to just offer an outside perspective of why maybe a few people didn't try out your VN.

For me the render quality was good! Like really good! To the point that each time I saw it on the "Latest Updates" page I clicked it every time and wondered why I never played it?

The reason I always came to was: "Oh, that's the voyeur one, Nope!"

When I play a VN, I want to be the one in control, making the decisions for the MC and seeing those choices shape the outcome and progress of the story. Going with that in mind, as the MC, I want to be the one having sex, not watching other people fuck the Love Interests of the story! If I wanted to see someone else fuck someone I thought was hot..I'd just watch porn.

So when it came to a game about "watching alien girls fuck other guys only to Maaaaybe end up getting fucked by them too..." it was antithetical to everything I enjoy in a Porn VN.

I understand wanting to have something a bit different and I do applaud that but when it comes to sex and sexuality... and especially when they play a game with the main objective to get their rocks off to it... people tend to play to what they like.
 

Virulenz

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I wrote the premise of Venus Attracts out of a feeling of injustice. Why is it OK for a guy to fuck every member of the opposite sex he meets and why is it not OK for girls? How come that every girl with a half interesting love life is portrayed as a slut or a brain-dead bimbo? Why can’t intelligent girls have sex unless they are drugged, blackmailed or violated?
Well, I'd rather play an asshole with 20 girls than a slut with 20 guys. Simple math, one dick in a male harem, multiple dicks in a girls harem...hell, i wait for lesbian harem games for ages...its disappointing after seeing the titel and the tags.
My question after reading the storyline is very different...a planet without guys, a pure paradise...then they find earth and decide to study guys instead of annihilating them and conquer the girls? Why?
 
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+1 on the control protagonist. We definitely want to have the steering wheel. If we wanted an imgur album, we have other sites and content for that. What makes Renpy and visual novels so cool is that we get to decision making process, that's what really separates the good games from the bad.
 

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Actually this story has fat stock of content. :)

Lots of characters, environments, props and action. :)
 
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Gary_Indiana

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Nooo!!, missed opportunity. I would much rather play a game where I...I mean the MC...goes to their all-female planet to..ehh..study. :D
Hey that would work for a season 2. The girls take some lucky bas.. MC to their home planet. Hilarity and sexiness ensues
 
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DA22

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Hey, I am not one of your players but wanted to just offer an outside perspective of why maybe a few people didn't try out your VN.

For me the render quality was good! Like really good! To the point that each time I saw it on the "Latest Updates" page I clicked it every time and wondered why I never played it?

The reason I always came to was: "Oh, that's the voyeur one, Nope!"

When I play a VN, I want to be the one in control, making the decisions for the MC and seeing those choices shape the outcome and progress of the story. Going with that in mind, as the MC, I want to be the one having sex, not watching other people fuck the Love Interests of the story! If I wanted to see someone else fuck someone I thought was hot..I'd just watch porn.

So when it came to a game about "watching alien girls fuck other guys only to Maaaaybe end up getting fucked by them too..." it was antithetical to everything I enjoy in a Porn VN.

I understand wanting to have something a bit different and I do applaud that but when it comes to sex and sexuality... and especially when they play a game with the main objective to get their rocks off to it... people tend to play to what they like.
I think you hit the nail right on the head there and is the same reason I never could really bring myself to play the game even if was made by a fellow Dutchie. In a male MC game I do want to immerse into the MC and see his actions and adventures and not those of others that is more the territory of the three letter fans lovers, (that also do not get the kind of corruption they like most of the time), where for me as an extra lesbian sex is not one of my fetishes so all those scenes are not hot for me either.

This game with its intentions would have likely worked better from a female protagonist pov and god knows that female protagonist games that are not set in rape town are rare as hell and are lesbian oriented games most likely when do exist. The thing is that there is not so much a double standard in porn games, but a way to play games and wish fulfillment for more immersive players that does not really match with wild and inquisitive females getting their rocks of independently and have it shown in game. It just clashes with the reason why most immersive players play games like this in the first place. That does not mean most of us do not know that women IRL have the right and can do what they want and have sex without us, without being a slut immediately. :p

If you want to do a game like that it does not make much sense to have a male MC though, since you do not make those immersive players happy and those that would love those females, would prefer a female MC or at least a full third perspective game I would expect so the game as it is setup gets very very niche at best.
 
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Download android v0.7.1 APK
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Gary_Indiana

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After having played the game I have to agree that there is a little too much 4th wall breaking and the story suffers from it.
I don't know what you had envisioned when you made the game Dev but for me the premise sounded good. Alien females arriving on planet Earth to conduct studies. I think I was expecting more of a culture shock, lost in translation type of game and what I felt mid through was that I (as a player and not playing a main character) was conducting studies or participating in them through the survey BS which was off-putting. The renders are decent and I think if you reworked the story to tell it from the main characters POV rather than the player and especially not jumping between the two also maybe cut out the survey part then you might have something good here.
 
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Rico Caramba

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Hi to everyone who enjoyed Venus Attracts. I told you I was working on a new project, called Back Home. The day before Christmas it accidentally appeared on this forum. Since I didn't have much time to promote it, and perhaps because you were celebrating Christmas yourself as well, you may have missed it.

If you are interested, you can find it by clicking on the Back Home signature below.

Best wishes, Rico Caramba, developer of Venus Attracts.

If you want to react, please do so in the Back Home thread.
 

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Hi to everyone who enjoyed Venus Attracts. I told you I was working on a new project, called Back Home. The day before Christmas it accidentally appeared on this forum. Since I didn't have much time to promote it, and perhaps because you were celebrating Christmas yourself as well, you may have missed it.

If you are interested, you can find it by clicking on the Back Home signature below.

Best wishes, Rico Caramba, developer of Venus Attracts.

If you want to react, please do so in the Back Home thread.
Is that an exhibionism game ? The tag isn't present.
 

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Bedankt.
Ik heb net Backhome gespeeld en ben benieuwd naar dit verhaal.
Ik hou de updates in de gaten. (y)
 
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