VN Ren'Py Completed Vicky's Investigation [Alpha/Prerelease] [Dumb Koala & Lain]

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TungstenDuck

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I feel like we need a #teen or #petite tag. Take DMD for instance, flatly stated in the game they're not the L word. But they look the part. We need a tag for that and I think #teen covers it. Straight up fucking L word like the works of some where they go full on, yeah, these girls are fully L word. .that would be its own thing and dead serious for those who wish to seek it out.
 

k8ponny

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I feel like we need a #teen or #petite tag. Take DMD for instance, flatly stated in the game they're not the L word. But they look the part. We need a tag for that and I think #teen covers it. Straight up fucking L word like the works of some where they go full on, yeah, these girls are fully L word. .that would be its own thing and dead serious for those who wish to seek it out.

Teen is age descriptive, and yes I think it is needed, or maybe age-play and/or old-young
Pettanko is another possible tag, meaning flat-chested but not underage.
 

El09

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Sorry but there is so so soooo much male dominated porn out there. Even I have done some with THE INTERN comic and my CLARA'S LOVE HOTEL series. But if there is one over-saturated kink, it's man-dom(?). For VICKY'S INVESTIGATION she is the boss... until her sister messes it all up :p But that story is coming.
Will these comics be released here?
 
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I feel like we need a #teen or #petite tag. Take DMD for instance, flatly stated in the game they're not the L word. But they look the part. We need a tag for that and I think #teen covers it. Straight up fucking L word like the works of some where they go full on, yeah, these girls are fully L word. .that would be its own thing and dead serious for those who wish to seek it out.
I agree
 

cooperdk

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No. All real Lolis or Lolitas are underage,
but some 18yo girls can look younger. :)
Teen is age descriptive, and yes I think it is needed, or maybe age-play and/or old-young
Pettanko is another possible tag, meaning flat-chested but not underage.
In the case of this game, though, there is absolutely no question that the girl is supposed to be underage.
She mentions the father's password is her birthday (year) and she says it is 2006!

So Vickys Investigation is a story about a 14 year old girl and her father.

Let's keep that on the screen for a few minutes and take a look at the site rules.
 

sekuro2000

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In the case of this game, though, there is absolutely no question that the girl is supposed to be underage.
She mentions the father's password is her birthday (year) and she says it is 2006!

So Vickys Investigation is a story about a 14 year old girl and her father.

Let's keep that on the screen for a few minutes and take a look at the site rules.
Well obviously it's the year 2024 in this comic, and she is 18. Or it's the year 2100, and she is 94.. It's the cyberpunk future, people can look any age they want I guess.
 

DumbKoala

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In the case of this game, though, there is absolutely no question that the girl is supposed to be underage.
She mentions the father's password is her birthday (year) and she says it is 2006!

So Vickys Investigation is a story about a 14 year old girl and her father.

Let's keep that on the screen for a few minutes and take a look at the site rules.
Yes, let's:

"7. Content (a game, image, video, story, animation, etc.) depicting nudity or sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited. A "prepubescent character" is one that visually shows no sign of puberty, or if non-visual is otherwise clearly intended to represent a prepubescent character."
 

cooperdk

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Yes, let's:

"7. Content (a game, image, video, story, animation, etc.) depicting nudity or sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited. A "prepubescent character" is one that visually shows no sign of puberty, or if non-visual is otherwise clearly intended to represent a prepubescent character."
Yes, I actually thought that the site rules conformed to laws. They don't. (I don't personally care but the site could potentially face problems for this reason)

The real problem is that in most countries in the world, and especially in the US and EU, we have child pornography laws which criminalizes depiction of underage characters, even in cartoon porn. I am pretty sure that no government is going to care about the internal rules of a website when they are more lax than a nation's laws? I believe f95zone is registered in the US, which makes US Federal law the jurisdiction.

BTW, the rule was put in due to a discussion in which a person wrongfully described lolita as a pre-pubescent girl. Loli actually means a sexually suggestive young girl (she could even be "legal" but is usually not). Laws don't look at how the girl looks, but at her age. And this girl is 14 which makes it clearly problematic, legally speaking.
 

mythor55

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Lolita is a 1955 novel written by novelist . The novel is notable for its controversial subject: the protagonist and , a middle-aged literature professor under the pseudonym Humbert Humbert, is obsessed with a 12-year-old girl, Dolores Haze, with whom he becomes sexually involved after he becomes her stepfather. "Lolita" is his private nickname for Dolores. The novel was originally written in English and first published in Paris in 1955 by . Later it was translated into Russian by Nabokov himself and published in New York City in 1967 by Phaedra Publishers.
 

mythor55

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Lolita quickly attained a classic status. The novel was adapted into in 1962, and in 1997. It has also been adapted several times for the and has been the subject of two operas, two ballets, and an acclaimed, but commercially unsuccessful, . The term " " has been assimilated into popular culture as a description of a young girl who is "precociously seductive...without connotations of victimization". Many authors consider it the greatest work of the , and it has been included in several lists of best books, such as , , , , and .
 

cooperdk

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That is true, and the "lolita" which is the same as "loli" concept was derived from the girl's name in the movie. The girl in the movie was, by the way, not prepubescent (she had clear puberty signs).



This is because the actor, Sue Lyon, was 16 at the time and this was even before any age limitation on porn (porn was illegal everywhere until at least 1966 and child pornography was not effectively illegal until around 2000).

I have no idea where the definition of loli on f95zone comes from, but it is clearly different from the dictionary's.
If you look at the M-L dictionary, you will get the definition, which does not consider any underage requirement for a girl to be lolita (and certainly not any prepubescent requirement), only that she should be young and sexually attractive and expressive.



Enough about the term because this is not the "problem" here. The problem is that laws apply on websites, too, and websites with adult content should be extra careful because they are responsible for what they make available.

The laws in the US (and most EU countries) define child pornography as any pornographic content with underage girls.
Underage is defined as the age of majority (usually 18).

Any sexual depiction of people under the age of 18, even in comics, generated images or other artistic expressions, is a crime. It is not a requirement that the minor depicted is a real person. In the US, it is covered by the PROTECT act. * (see the bottom paragraphs, after the dashes)
In most EU criminal laws, it is defined as "any kind of content".
So it means that even short stories etc. without visual depictions are covered by the laws. *

It even means that if the girl is said to be 18, but clearly looks younger, there could be a problem.
This wouldn't be an issue with this game because the girl could theoretically pass for 18. If she had no female traits, but is told to be 18, it would likely be illegal.

Other than that, the girl in this game also meets the classic/typical definition of a lolita. A sexually attractive and suggestive young girl.

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* The precedent set by that court case suggests that in California courts you will not face criminal child pornography charges for creation, ownership, or distribution of animated or computer generated images. However, under federal law, you can be charged.

FINALLY... I am just raising my concern here and letting you know what I have found out. I am an "old" porn, erotica and nudes producer and have had a lot of thoughts and challenges in the regard of photographing young girls specifically because if they even look underage, nobody wants to buy them.
I am not actually going to do anything about this, that's not my goal or point. I just wanted to tell you how this could actually potentially harm the site, and I don't want that to happen.

What does federal law say?

In 2003, Congress passed the , which stands for the, “Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today” Act. Under the Protect Act, it is illegal to create, possess, or distribute, "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting", that "depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is ‘obscene' or ‘depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in...sexual intercourse...and lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” ( ). To clarify, under federal law, drawing and animation are considered child pornography, and you can be convicted for possession or marketing of such material.


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