That is neither necessary nor sufficient to make something NTR. NTR writers just co-opted that because NTR can't stand up on it's own as a fetish.
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That some people are into it, make it a fetish. There is no objective criteria of what is and is not a fetish, as far as I am aware.
Japanese NTR has featured this for ages. You could say it is a staple of Japanese NTR stories which also tend to see this from a similar perspective to mine. Female pleasure-centric and less about the neuroses of insecure men.
I don't mind ntr as long as somewhere down the line in the story, i also have the option to kill the person who did it.
It sure bring up powerful negative emotion on the part of the player who related with the mc and if the developer don't provide a way to release this catharsis then it could backfire
It sure bring up powerful negative emotion on the part of the player who related with the mc and if the developer don't provide a way to release this catharsis then it could backfire
I really hate NTR in games because for some reasons ntr devs go a long way to make you immerse yourself or at least sympathise with the cuck. It's even more revolting for me than a gay sex and I'm 100% straight.
In other media (javs, hentai) I like very much NTR with hetare protagonist and alpha antagonist. It maybe seduction or domination, no mind break.
Towards mind-breaks, hypnosis and rest of the genre I'm neutral but I dislike gangbangs and bimbofication.
In other media (javs, hentai) I like very much NTR with hetare protagonist and alpha antagonist. It maybe seduction or domination, no mind break.
Towards mind-breaks, hypnosis and rest of the genre I'm neutral but I dislike gangbangs and bimbofication.
I partly agree although I would say that it depends on the kind of control we are talking about.
When and how to have sex? Yes, that's mostly up to the woman.
But in financial matters I'd say it's generally the guy who's deciding.
Like that, there are many topics where either the man or the woman have more influence.
But that irrelevant if we are talking about loyalty.
I'm not an evolutionist, but it is often said that from evolutionary perspective, women benefit from keeping the father around while men benefit from fucking as many girls as possible. But also without this perspective, I think women generally stand to lose as much or more from a divorce. Probably not financially but emotionally women find it more difficult to not be in a relationship, while at the same time, women with kids are in a way damaged goods. Most guys don't want to bother with raising ther men's kids.
Personally I strongly believe in loyalty and honor, and I don't see why that should be different for women as for men.
We're talking about sex, not finance or trench warfare.
Loyalty and honor are fine but not everyone feels as strongly about them as you do. Men and women have different bodies, different capabilities, and different needs. That is probably why they feel differently about so many topics.
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Thanks for all of your responses!
As far as I'm concerned, this thread has so far been debating/talking about:
- Their personal opinions regarding NTR
- What exactly this thread pertains to regarding being a fan of NTR (e.g. a fan of NTR as a plot device or having NTR as a fetish)
Although I personally dislike NTR, I cannot exactly dislike people who like it. To each their own, even in regards to fetishes. I would also ask everyone not to attack other people for having different opinions. Open discussions to convince the other side or defend your own is fine, as it is normal to spread/defend your beliefs.
Also, I didn't expect the poll to be so distinct. It appears that the same amount of people who dislike netorare and like netorare. The other 1/3 of the poll either doesn't care or has their complicated preferences.
It also appears that I have a lot more to learn about the distinct definition of NTR as well. Anyways, keep the comments coming, I would like to hear more about your opinions!
As far as I'm concerned, this thread has so far been debating/talking about:
- Their personal opinions regarding NTR
- What exactly this thread pertains to regarding being a fan of NTR (e.g. a fan of NTR as a plot device or having NTR as a fetish)
Although I personally dislike NTR, I cannot exactly dislike people who like it. To each their own, even in regards to fetishes. I would also ask everyone not to attack other people for having different opinions. Open discussions to convince the other side or defend your own is fine, as it is normal to spread/defend your beliefs.
Also, I didn't expect the poll to be so distinct. It appears that the same amount of people who dislike netorare and like netorare. The other 1/3 of the poll either doesn't care or has their complicated preferences.
It also appears that I have a lot more to learn about the distinct definition of NTR as well. Anyways, keep the comments coming, I would like to hear more about your opinions!
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Because unlike other fetishes NTR is about abandonment, betrayal, and pain while also giving the reader a sense of inadequacy and hopelessness. While sometimes the MC enjoys it, the feeling of inadequacy and abandonment remains and the reader has to sit through that as the woman and other man taunt him.
It's psychological torture aimed directly at the reader rather than any sexual act on screen. It tends to stick with people far more than any grotesquery they might see in other games.
The dictionary definition isn't the same as the practical definition, in theory a lot of games defined as NTR don't actually fit the definition, but using a woman the MC is attached in order to cause the MC pain by manipulating her through sex tends to get placed under the NTR label because it gives the same result. For example, I saw something about a bully sleeping with the MC's mom in order to get her to throw him out onto the street despite him being underaged and still in school. The MC wasn't dating his mom, but she was close to him and manipulated to cause suffering to the MC.
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I don't think anyone on the forum has problems about avoidable stuff. It may vary on the fetish style but if it's avoidable, we have no problem. But I don't agree that NTR is unpopular. Last two weeks or so was a bombartment of NTR, you may see a lot of users whining about this stuf...
Me, I don't even slightly like NTR. I basically like RPG and don't like cheating, but it does vary as well. In most games, when you interact with a milf who has a husband, which is most of the time away or something, I don't mind that. The reason is simple, I don't see the husband, I don't feel like there is NTR. But hardcore stuff is just something I don't like and the problem is people are making it unavoidable... Imagine a game you may like; you loved the art, you loved the plot but it has a unavoidable fetish that disgust you. Basically developers can cut out the scenes and some part of the plot to make it at least unavoidable, the problem starts there.
But; peoples' fetishes are different from one another, so if a developer's intentions are for NTR based game, it's compeletly normal and I understand it.
Me, I don't even slightly like NTR. I basically like RPG and don't like cheating, but it does vary as well. In most games, when you interact with a milf who has a husband, which is most of the time away or something, I don't mind that. The reason is simple, I don't see the husband, I don't feel like there is NTR. But hardcore stuff is just something I don't like and the problem is people are making it unavoidable... Imagine a game you may like; you loved the art, you loved the plot but it has a unavoidable fetish that disgust you. Basically developers can cut out the scenes and some part of the plot to make it at least unavoidable, the problem starts there.
But; peoples' fetishes are different from one another, so if a developer's intentions are for NTR based game, it's compeletly normal and I understand it.
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The problem with avoidable is that it is often written by an NTR fan who isn't quite willing to let the MC be top dog. While in the NTR scenes the girl is on an uncontrollable roller coaster of pleasure, she is just kind of going through the motions with the MC. You get the feeling that the only reason she hasn't left him is because he plays goalkeeper and keeps her ignorant of the land of pleasure awaiting her with literally anyone else. Throughout the entire game and most likely even after the "happy ending," their love will always be precarious as the MC doesn't have the ability to completely satisfy her in both mind and body.
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You can. It's kind of dangerous mentality you are presenting here dude. That would mean that we should stop... hating furries. It's hard to imagine how tragic consequences to the online community would that cause. Be careful what you wish for!
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That is kind of what I tried to explain. If the game is compeletly designed for NTR and NTR only, then I have no problem about that. Also developer should realize it is going to get a lot dislikes from a toxic part of the community as well, and only focus on NTR fans.
For me, it's like judging a gay themed game. I am not into these type of stuff, if you tell in the information tab that it is for a specific fetish; we all should accept it. But if you make a game and implement some specific fetishes but make them inevitible, then you should also accept the mistake you are doing.
Also as I said, this NTR fetish came up not too long ago into forum, with a lot of games. Most of the new games tab was full of those and this was also one of the reasons why people hate it too much right now.
Some people get off on physical pain. Some people get off on verbal abuse. Some people get off on psychological pain.
Humans are really weird.
This discussion has helped me a lot. I now want to write NTR from the female perspective. People will still complain because that is what people do but I won't care, and maybe I will find some female readers who get off on NTR as I present it. That would be cool. Turning guys on is easy, turning women can be much more challenging.
Humans are really weird.
This discussion has helped me a lot. I now want to write NTR from the female perspective. People will still complain because that is what people do but I won't care, and maybe I will find some female readers who get off on NTR as I present it. That would be cool. Turning guys on is easy, turning women can be much more challenging.
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Turning women is challenging... Hell no, they always turn on after you put the magic pill in their drinks... (IT was a joke, I know some of you guys love raping or shit...)
Btw, the reason I don't judge is I do also have a lot of fetishes, as long as someone doesn't turn on their dick on children, I'm cool.
And try to make a NTR about an alien x human relationship, add some furry, some trans people, some dogs to join the threesome and maybe some giant bdsm queen. I do believe you would make thousand per month on patreon for that xd
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While authors will write good content if they are into the fetish, if they aren't into it or it runs counter to what they are into then it's going to be pretty bad. For example, someone who is into BDSM and is a sadist wants to write a BDSM work where the MC can be either an S or an M. While the S route will play out pretty well, the M route won't be as good, the author won't really be able to truly capture the mindset.
The same is true with NTR, if an NTR fan wants to write a non-NTR path, it will normally play out with a beta male who managed to keep his head down and make it out okay. By extension, it is also the reason why someone who added NTR to their game as fetish bait never truly satisfies NTR fans because the MC isn't the pathetic herbivore they want in a protagonist. Plus they miss the point that NTR isn't something the MC causes by his bad decisions, it's something that is completely out of his control with his bad decisions exacerbating the problem rather than causing it.
The real problem is as stated above, with "optional" NTR you have no idea whether you're getting the beta male or
Are you talking about reverse NTR? Where the female is cuckolded? You'd be the first to write such a scenario. While there are plenty about the man cheating on the woman told from the male or sometimes females point of view, it generally plays out more as a twisted romance story. To my knowledge there is nothing that takes place from the woman's point of view as her husband has sex with another woman while they are denied sex.
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I actually think if the game's narrative is from the woman's perspective is actually a nice workaround for this genre.
Since for the female protag the focus is on seeking better pleasure
No ego is hurt
Nobody need to get murdered to restore honor or something
Male protag + NTR is the problem lol
Since for the female protag the focus is on seeking better pleasure
No ego is hurt
Nobody need to get murdered to restore honor or something
Male protag + NTR is the problem lol
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I see. But that is why there is Patreon. If the content is good enough, at one point they are going to be able to hire writers, designers etc. Until then I may accept your idea but still, if someone is creative enough, there wouldn't be a problem about that. As Summertime Saga has a lot of seperate content for different fetishes, I believe they made a great job about it.
Satisfaying a hardcore fetishist is always hard work, thus the creator should be a fan as you said. So that is the reason why I say games intented to created for NTR is great, in the other hand multiple choice RPGs should always have some optional scenes where the game warns you about the path you are taking. We are actually talking about pretty similar things but in different perspectives, so I get your idea.
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I know the concept exists, but to my knowledge nobody has written a game with it. At best there might be a single scene of a girl watching that quickly turns into threesome. I've never seen something where the girl is like the redhead, tied up and fully denied sex only able to watch as her partner goes at it with another girl. In other words I'd like to see Mike's Cuckolding Report some day.
Yes, one can write a good story with interesting characters that plays out like it should, however, capturing the mindset is another story entirely. There is a reason why writers are paid the big bucks and even then not every story is a hit. Writing is hard for a professional with years of experience, you either need an education or have to be a prodigy when it comes to the do's and don'ts of writing and some of the more highly rated VNs on this site are full of rookie mistakes(I took creative writing classes in college because I needed the elective credits). The stars would need to align perfectly in order to pull off what you're suggesting, and while it is technically possible, the odds aren't stacked in its favor.
I tend to assume that if something has NTR in it then it was written by an NTR fan, because if you think about it, NTR doesn't make a whole lot of sense. After all, if a romance fails then she just breaks up with you or you don't get together. It makes no logical sense for a woman to fall in love with a guy but then change her mind at the first sign of trouble and begin cheating on him, however to an NTR fan, this scenario makes perfect sense.
NTR is like a cherry on top of Corruption tag
I enjoyed Betrayal (to friend/family/duty) and NTR is like the extention of that
Problem is other kind of corruption is rarer than NTR
I also enjoy Vanilla/heart warming one but if that the case, then I wonder why not just watch/read a non 18+ instead cuz they explore wider than the bed scene. So unless they have explosive ahegao, Devinci level of art style or god like heart shape pupils I barely touch Vanilla.
I enjoyed Betrayal (to friend/family/duty) and NTR is like the extention of that
Problem is other kind of corruption is rarer than NTR
I also enjoy Vanilla/heart warming one but if that the case, then I wonder why not just watch/read a non 18+ instead cuz they explore wider than the bed scene. So unless they have explosive ahegao, Devinci level of art style or god like heart shape pupils I barely touch Vanilla.