VN Ren'Py Onhold Violation Nation [Ep 6] [Wet Avocado Games]

[trumpthatbitch]

I like the idea about the story, a sort of rigged death game but man...its just kind of boring right now. Have really limited story, the "good" path is pretty clearly just tacked on as theres almost no sexual content and the "evil" path is pretty much just rape all the girls.

The MC on good path tells the daughter to only attack when absolutely needed, and then one day after training her for the first time tells her to go kill a dude by herself. Doesnt really make sense.

Feels like this story is the size of an ocean but only a puddle deep, as there is a ton of area to go in the world but feels like its going to have a short story with an unsatisfying end.

He tracks the stats and has choices, but the story really suffers because he does not really make the choices affect anything.

He might have done better, in some respects, to remove a few options and let the prior stats guide the character's actions. As example there is really no stat requirement for killing or being merciful. It doesn't lock any choices out. He either needs to decide to have a linear story or make the choices actually matter. It shouldn't be that hard to write a couple of lines to instead of saying kill the dude go subdue him instead based on the good stat of the character.

I played the game by following the script so I saw the coding he does it a bit but not near enough for the game to flow and make sense. It's sad because the game has potential but everything feels like it is rushed and needs just a bit more time put into it for it to be a truly good game.

 

[trumpthatbitch]

Looks like path's don't working correct.
For example, if sophie_corrupt 10, for some reason game chose path where >=3 and not >=9
Looks like crucial bug for story.

I didn't see that coding but there are no real paths yet.

If he did it's a logical error. What the dev should have done is used and if statement.

path 1 x>=3 and x<=9

path 2 x>9

 

[_SerapH_]

I like the game enough to support it on SS for now. The main thing I'd change is that there only seems to be a "good" path for the daughter. Which maybe makes sense, given that she's his daughter. Obviously, she's attracted to him and wants to have sex with him, but in the context of the story, I view that as the good path. I'd like the option of her being less interested in him romantically, and perhaps even horrified at some of the things he's done with women. Then eventually, the MC starts seeing his daughter as another conquest, versus a romance/seduction path.

If there is a dark path for the daughter, I kind of suspect it's if someone other than the MC has her. It might be cool to have a scene where they are captured though, and the MC is given a choice to either watch his daughter get raped, or rape her himself. The scene could play out differently depending on the MC's choices up to this point. She could be anywhere from "heck, yeah, but I'll put on a good show for the people watching" to "no... not my daddy... please choose the stranger for me, daddy."

On the way she got excited watching her father rape a woman honestly I thought it was hot I hope she becomes a submissive sadist only to her father, yes my mind is very distorted lol

 

[Corambis]

On the way she got excited watching her father rape a woman honestly I thought it was hot I hope she becomes a submissive sadist only to her father, yes my mind is very distorted lol

I think there's potentially room to explore a lot of possibilities with the daughter's story. It's a messed-up situation they're in, which could lead to even more messed up stuff between them. While I get the approach the dev is going for, it's also the path of least resistance in that it's how most games handle incest as basically a forbidden romance that just happens, with any doubts on the woman's part being magically dispelled at seeing the man's cock.

He tracks the stats and has choices, but the story really suffers because he does not really make the choices affect anything.

He might have done better, in some respects, to remove a few options and let the prior stats guide the character's actions. As example there is really no stat requirement for killing or being merciful. It doesn't lock any choices out. He either needs to decide to have a linear story or make the choices actually matter. It shouldn't be that hard to write a couple of lines to instead of saying kill the dude go subdue him instead based on the good stat of the character.

I played the game by following the script so I saw the coding he does it a bit but not near enough for the game to flow and make sense. It's sad because the game has potential but everything feels like it is rushed and needs just a bit more time put into it for it to be a truly good game.

I'm not a big fan of illusionary choices in games. Don't give me a choice if it doesn't change anything. If I have the choice to kill or not kill someone, I'm assuming it changes the story somehow, even if it's just to increase or decrease some stat and maybe change what options you see later. This game seems tailor-made to feature a "karma" system like that. I do appreciate that games with branching paths can be a nightmare for devs, although many do it quite well. Otherwise, in its current format, the game is effectively a visual novel with some choices that just change the next scene that unfolds, but has no lasting effect. Despite that, I'm enjoying it a good bit right now, but also not sure what the future may bring. I'm hoping it becomes more than effectively Rape? (Y/N) and Kill? (Y/N), with how you answer those questions not shaping the overall story at all.

 

[trumpthatbitch]

I think there's potentially room to explore a lot of possibilities with the daughter's story. It's a messed-up situation they're in, which could lead to even more messed up stuff between them. While I get the approach the dev is going for, it's also the path of least resistance in that it's how most games handle incest as basically a forbidden romance that just happens, with any doubts on the woman's part being magically dispelled at seeing the man's cock.



I'm not a big fan of illusionary choices in games. Don't give me a choice if it doesn't change anything. If I have the choice to kill or not kill someone, I'm assuming it changes the story somehow, even if it's just to increase or decrease some stat and maybe change what options you see later. This game seems tailor-made to feature a "karma" system like that. I do appreciate that games with branching paths can be a nightmare for devs, although many do it quite well. Otherwise, in its current format, the game is effectively a visual novel with some choices that just change the next scene that unfolds, but has no lasting effect. Despite that, I'm enjoying it a good bit right now, but also not sure what the future may bring. I'm hoping it becomes more than effectively Rape? (Y/N) and Kill? (Y/N), with how you answer those questions not shaping the overall story at all.

I don't mean the illusion of choice I mean key choice is locked by previous decisions. The game allows you to be completely schizo because it tracks stats but those stats don't inform any of the further decisions

As example you can be a bloodthirsty monster than randomly be merciful. I am not even talking about branching paths I am just talking about streamling the experience to make the character act more believably.

 

[Corambis]

I don't mean the illusion of choice I mean key choice is locked by previous decisions. The game allows you to be completely schizo because it tracks stats but those stats don't inform any of the further decisions

As example you can be a bloodthirsty monster than randomly be merciful. I am not even talking about branching paths I am just talking about streamling the experience to make the character act more believably.

Ah, I misunderstood, but I think I see where you're coming from now. Either way, we're looking for a little bit more than a straight visual novel, and for the choices made earlier in the game to have some impact later.

 

[gregers]

Looks like you've got the conditions the wrong way around here:

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And here there's no way for the second condition to trigger.

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Here the first variant will always trigger, if any:

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Here the conditions look funky as well. First variant triggers if the MC's goodness is equal to or higher than 8, the second if it's equal to or higher than 7.

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Here the first variant triggers if corruption equal to or higher than goodness, while the second is for corruption equal to or less than goodness. Basically both variants are set to trigger if the two are equal. Doesn't matter as the first variant will take precedence, just a bit of nonsense coding when an else statement would suffice.

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Having the choice between raping the woman or letting her leave unscathed depend on the MC's stats rather than an active choice by the player seems an odd decision, when everything else is left up to player agency.

 

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●VN ●Ren'Py ██████
This is the Italian translation of Violation Nation [Ep 6]

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● Include Incest Patch (Official)

Unzip the .rar file - copy/paste the game folder into the game directory, replace when asked.
This translation is "unofficial" and "made by a fan"

 

[AnyName'llDo]

Good stuff. I'm hooked.

 

[trumpthatbitch]

Looks like you've got the conditions the wrong way around here:

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And here there's no way for the second condition to trigger.

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Here the first variant will always trigger, if any:

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Here the conditions look funky as well. First variant triggers if the MC's goodness is equal to or higher than 8, the second if it's equal to or higher than 7.

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Here the first variant triggers if corruption equal to or higher than goodness, while the second is for corruption equal to or less than goodness. Basically both variants are set to trigger if the two are equal. Doesn't matter as the first variant will take precedence, just a bit of nonsense coding when an else statement would suffice.

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Having the choice between raping the woman or letting her leave unscathed depend on the MC's stats rather than an active choice by the player seems an odd decision, when everything else is left up to player agency.

If he used "if and" he could use ranges which it looks like he is trying to do. He could also change the order but it's in bad form

if sophie_corrupt >=3 and sophie_corrupt <6:

if sophie_corrupt >=6 and sophie_corrupt <10:

if sophie_corrupt >=10:

I know programming a VN isn't exactly rocket science but it's an extremely bad sign that the dev can't even do proper if statements.

 

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I've created a small walkthrough mod for this game. It will highlight my recommended choices and show the information of some choices. Enjoy!!!
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[Yngling]

The story is pretty good but the coding seems like a bit of a mess. Which is problematic since this game is not intended to be a kinetic novel with some flavour choices, but it is intended that the MC's actions do have a big influence on the overall outcome.

I hope the dev can fix this, and if he can't I hope he finds some help somewhere before it's too late. At this point, starting over wouldn't be a disaster but it will become a disaster at some point.

 

[Naps-On-Dirt]

Yeah looking at that code after playing through, I'm trying the good path and definitely did NOT get the correct responses a few times.

 

[Frossguard]

I really want to see an event or a lot where you are captured and then have a series of choices where can lead to the daughter raped by either you or other people

 

[Corambis]

I really want to see an event or a lot where you are captured and then have a series of choices where can lead to the daughter raped by either you or other people

I'd agree. I get that some people want to keep the daughter as a love path, or a "no one touches my little girl- even me" type thing, but I think there's room for exploring different outcomes here. Especially given the subject matter of the game in general.

 

[MikesDK]

So far not a bad game, i love that you have choices so hope that wont stop, meaninig the everyone will be optional including the daughter, since i like going against the fucker that put him in that place and if he wants to see MC fucks then that wont happen, atleast not in my first playthrough, also hope rape will be optional or by your choices and not forced at some point.

Only thing i wasent a fan of is the daughter kissing the female that came along from the start, i dident really care much about her and sure dont want the daughter to turn lesbian and start some shit with her or atleast give me the option to kill the female for coming on to the daughter or something, but it seems to be a little weird how MC acts first a killer then not? MC wont kill the bad girl in cp6 due to hes daughter being there, even though hes already killed mutiple times in front of her and told her to kill people as well, she failed to kill the bad girl so with MCs mindset shouldent he just tell the daughter to kill her so she can get her first kill over and done with.....

The incest patch dosent really work right since MC still call her stepdaughter at times.

 

[lionarslan]

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Played your game and I want to say a few words.
- The first choice between MC good and MC violent. You used "Noah Good" and "Noah Violent", instead of "%MC's name variable% Good" ans "%MC's name variable% Violent". I play not as Noah, I gave MC another name but still see in this choice some Noah.
- I understand that you are a native English speaker, Englishman or American, it doesn't matter. But you are clearly has no knowledge of Eastern European languages. Of course, there's translation software but it's for literal translation only, not for language norms, native speaker's traditions and so on. Why did you decided that Slovenian people use swearing words just like Americans (or Brits)? I can assure you, it isn't so. And not only swearing, every phrase you translate on Slovenian is a phrase from your environment, not Slovenian (the same is true for Romanian). Such approach looks as an insult to denizens of Eastern Europe.
- Some inconsistencies already mentioned here, what was really strange for me - it was infatuation of MC to his daughter's pants. At first, he doesn't care if there are pants at night or not and it becomes an obsession, he even scold his daughter for that. The most of it - why is he's so angry about no pants at night? No reason given.
- And here I say what I like about your game. MC is not some pussy unlike many other games from Western developers, he sometimes acts like a man. He cares for his women, submissive translator girl and infantile Brit of a daughter. Your game has a story, it looks like you had all the storylines planned and we'll yet to see most of it.
Good luck with your game, I hope to see next update.

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

If he used "if and" he could use ranges which it looks like he is trying to do. He could also change the order but it's in bad form

if sophie_corrupt >=3 and sophie_corrupt <6:

if sophie_corrupt >=6 and sophie_corrupt <10:

if sophie_corrupt >=10:

I know programming a VN isn't exactly rocket science but it's an extremely bad sign that the dev can't even do proper if statements.

Well. It works, so I happy that he spend his time on the story line and graphics, where it counts. Immature coding is only an eyesore for us nerds. No one else care.

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

I really want to see an event or a lot where you are captured and then have a series of choices where can lead to the daughter raped by either you or other people

Incest is a BIG turn off for me, but I would love to see the daughter and any other female raped and used by anyone not blood related to them. It's kind of what the game title hints.

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

Yeah looking at that code after playing through, I'm trying the good path and definitely did NOT get the correct responses a few times.

Well. That happens in MANY games and has nothing to do with coding, but is down to what you and I see as good behavior isn't always the same as what the dev. sees as good behavior. Or the dev. giving options that are a no go, like having incest and bad behavior in the same category. I like the bad behavior paths, but I would never ever choice an incest option. Not even if it was the only option for the bad path.

And that is why I hate games with multiple paths. I often ends up on the wrong path or are missing the option to make some choices because I made a wrong choice earlier on in the game. Thanks god I know how to read the code and use console commands to fix the stats so I get the path I like, despite not seeing eye to eye with the dev. when it comes to good and bad behavior.