Ren'Py Abandoned Vis [v2.0] [Mad King Games]

[-CookieMonster666-]

Can anyone answer this fucking question? Ahem,please? Thank you.

That content isn't in the game yet. The tags are to indicate what the final game will have, not necessarily what current content includes. We've not gotten to that part yet, so you won't find those in the game right now.

Now, breathe....

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

Hi mates,

I've read all your comments regarding free roaming and let's open a bottle of beer while we talk
First of all, it is beta and there are things to be implemented in the future for the free roaming.
Why did I've to implement the free roaming feature? First of all, I was thinking that in the future, the players can interact with other characters and enjoy some scenes as much as they want. So after the update is gone, a user can replay the game just to interact with his or her favorite character. In the current state, if you finish the update, I don't know if there is any reason to open the game the second time until the next update comes.
So I had in mind to create an environment where the player can enjoy it's favorite characters at any time, in actions that would be available only through free roaming. I only want to create an experience that will not end with an update.

I've read that there are opinions that this update is short. The script had around 36 pages. When developing a game with multiple choices, the work is doubled but you have to do it, for the user to choose the path he/she wants to go.

I'm thinking... maybe you could add a choice whenever the player does something that would progress the story asking if the player wants to continue or rather explore some more

 

[Deleted member 416612]

I mean tags should've been currently whats in the game right now but ookk. Later on nobody wants disappointment that oohh that shit is in the game right now but end of the version nothing happens. People can get frustrated by that am i right?

Hi mate,
As mentioned by CookieMonster666 there are things to be implemented, but

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[LegendKing23]

Hi mate,
As mentioned by CookieMonster666 there are things to be implemented, but

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First of all group sex not really "sex" not like we going balls deep to both of them cus we not even get in at all second of all morgana one i don't know let me just play from beginning i guess how the hell did i miss that? I hope the scenes walkthrough will come soon enough. Thank you again by the way love you dev hihihi im commenting a lot cus i love this game it's different and lovely

 

[yourdaddy555]

I haven't got any vaginal sex scene with the MC I am missing something?

 

[Deleted member 416612]

Hi mates,

Because I want this game to be enjoyed by everybody, I will implement a thing.
With the next update I will implement an option to switch between free rooming to the initial state. So the user will have the option to choose if they want the free rooming feature or not. If not, the game will go as it was in the beginning. Thank you Kukothemadhatter for the idea.
The option will be available after Morgana scene, where she hugs the MC.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Hi mates,

Because I want this game to be enjoyed by everybody, I will implement a thing.
With the next update I will implement an option to switch between free rooming to the initial state. So the user will have the option to choose if they want the free rooming feature or not. If not, the game will go as it was in the beginning. Thank you Kukothemadhatter for the idea.

I'm happy you're still keeping free roaming as an option. I want to play the game as you envision it, not as others criticizing your choices do.

 

[PixelRepublic]

Hi mates,

I've read all your comments regarding free roaming and let's open a bottle of beer while we talk
First of all, it is beta and there are things to be implemented in the future for the free roaming.
Why did I've to implement the free roaming feature? First of all, I was thinking that in the future, the players can interact with other characters and enjoy some scenes as much as they want. So after the update is gone, a user can replay the game just to interact with his or her favorite character. In the current state, if you finish the update, I don't know if there is any reason to open the game the second time until the next update comes.
So I had in mind to create an environment where the player can enjoy it's favorite characters at any time, in actions that would be available only through free roaming. I only want to create an experience that will not end with an update.

I've read that there are opinions that this update is short. The script had around 36 pages. When developing a game with multiple choices, the work is doubled but you have to do it, for the user to choose the path he/she wants to go.

I still can't believe you even went the free-roam path.

There are so many games running from it.

Reply Scenes: Can be done via a menu option, as has been done in a fair few games.

Choice of characters: That can be "choice" based. Look at Sisterly Lust, they do it perfectly.

If you're saying that the free-roam is required for choice for characters, you're basically saying that every choice we've faced so far has been meaningless. Everything we've seen in the past five episodes has shown that free-roam is not required. The game was perfect.

There is no problem, where the only solution is free-roam. It's the lazy way out.

And that laziness goes further, because all you had to do was a little bit of research on here or anywhere else, to see how much people hate free-roam, a grind or needlessly making things more difficult than they have to be. You would have also seen how some devs have listened and made the change away from free-roam.

There are very few games out there that do free-roam right, they do it by making the UI beautiful, and as easy to use as possible. But even then, it's not set in stone that it will be a success.

I've made this very argument on this forum, so many fucking times that it's hurting my brain now. I said I wouldn't again, that I would walk away from the game and never look back. But I fucking love this game, and want to play it, but never will as free-roam.

I just don't understand making a choice like this. I can't see the sense in it.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

Ilan the second jamdan

i guess alot of people are having issues of this game turning into a free roam game as for me this game was always a pass time for me

sexy models
interesting story that reminded me a bit of elder scrolls due to saying oblivion alot and its based on medieval times

but yeah like you guys not really a fan of porn games that start off linear then goes into free roam 5-8 updates in really kills any motivation to play the game but since its a pass time for me i might continue to play it

Oh i know that feeling and i'm not keen on free roam either but if its really well done and good for the game i can live with it. Well seems the problem is solved already.

 

[PixelRepublic]

Hi mates,

Because I want this game to be enjoyed by everybody, I will implement a thing.
With the next update I will implement an option to switch between free rooming to the initial state. So the user will have the option to choose if they want the free rooming feature or not. If not, the game will go as it was in the beginning. Thank you Kukothemadhatter for the idea.
The option will be available after Morgana scene, where she hugs the MC.

It is good to hear this is being done, but I think it's just going to create more work for yourself. You could be making life easier for yourself and your players, without free-roam.

 

[PixelRepublic]

I'm happy you're still keeping free roaming as an option. I want to play the game as you envision it, not as others criticizing your choices do.

That is the most short-sighted thing I've ever heard. Games are not created for the developers, they're created for the people who criticize it. When they criticize, it's because they care. When you ignore them, you've lost.

I'm a designer and front-end web developer, if I ever designed anything how I wanted, while ignoring the users, I would be out of a job.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

That is the most short-sighted thing I've ever heard. Games are not created for the developers, they're created for the people who criticize it. When they criticize, it's because they care. When you ignore them, you've lost.

I'm a designer and front-end web developer, if I ever designed anything how I wanted, while ignoring the users, I would be out of a job.

How is it being "short-sighted" to express my preference to see what the developer wanted to do? Clearly he's listening to the criticism, and I never said he shouldn't. I merely stated my preference to see what he wanted to do originally. Having the option of choosing between the two is a great idea. Why is it wrong to want to see what his original plan was, rather than what critics have urged him to change it into?

 

[LegendKing23]

How is it being "short-sighted" to express my preference to see what the developer wanted to do? Clearly he's listening to the criticism, and I never said he shouldn't. I merely stated my preference to see what he wanted to do originally. Having the option of choosing between the two is a great idea. Why is it wrong to want to see what his original plan was, rather than what critics have urged him to change it into?

I agree with you having the option of choosing between the two is a really great idea. It's gonna be a lot harder for dev but fans will like it a lot i think. You wanna play free you play like that or you that guy you wanna play just choices with just vn you play like that. I mean im cool with both of em (just slightly i love vn more).

 

[geunit]

How is it being "short-sighted" to express my preference to see what the developer wanted to do? Clearly he's listening to the criticism, and I never said he shouldn't. I merely stated my preference to see what he wanted to do originally. Having the option of choosing between the two is a great idea. Why is it wrong to want to see what his original plan was, rather than what critics have urged him to change it into?

For the same reason Rockstar can't change the type of game GTA is. Imagine if they suddenly right now updated the current game to be 2D, linear and non free roam with no ability to drive any vehicle and no online. Everyone would lose their shit and start complaining. You released a genre of game that targets a certain demographic, only to completely change the gameplay mechanics Midway through. That demographic will lose their shit. I'm not saying the dev can't do this, I'm just saying that screwing people over like this is never a good idea.
Sure that demographic will most likely abandon this game now and the dev will get a new demo who likes this sorta stuff, but if he/she ever switches back to VN after the new grind fest loving demo becomes huge fans, they won't like it either. Then you just pissed off both sides of the coin.

Switching game mechanics midway through will never bode well.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

For the same reason Rockstar can't change the type of game GTA is. Imagine if they suddenly right now updated the current game to be 2D, linear and non free roam with no ability to drive any vehicle and no online. Everyone would lose their shit and start complaining. You released a genre of game that targets a certain demographic, only to completely change the gameplay mechanics Midway through. That demographic will lose their shit. I'm not saying the dev can't do this, I'm just saying that screwing people over like this is never a good idea.
Sure that demographic will most likely abandon this game now and the dev will get a new demo who likes this sorta stuff, but if he/she ever switches back to VN after the new grind fest loving demo becomes huge fans, they won't like it either. Then you just pissed off both sides of the coin.

Switching game mechanics midway through will never bode well.

OK, but PixelRepublic accused me of being short-sighted to want to see what the developer had in mind. That doesn't make any sense. If the developer ignored criticism, I could see the argument that he was short-sighted. But I'm not the developer. I never switched things. I simply wanted to see his artistic vision, rather than others' desires for no free roaming. Saying I'm short-sighted in being interested in this doesn't make any sense.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

APD13 after playing through the update I presume to know what you're trying to pull.... a hub akin to the camp in DAO or the normandy in ME2 that changed depending on who was recruited and to a degree to the choices made...
the problem in Vis is that apart from finding the fututre queen consort, there is nothing else to do( could be easily solved by few events that would require or not the prince's attention, for example guards arguing, petitioners trying to bribe the prince, the cook's cat being missing) and no indicator where to go (a map menu would be nicely appreciated).
I'm the biggest enemy of freeroam but I believe what you're trying to do can be good.

 

[geunit]

OK, but PixelRepublic accused me of being short-sighted to want to see what the developer had in mind. That doesn't make any sense. If the developer ignored criticism, I could see the argument that he was short-sighted. But I'm not the developer. I never switched things. I simply wanted to see his artistic vision, rather than others' desires for no free roaming. Saying I'm short-sighted in being interested in this doesn't make any sense.

Oh lol yeah I'm sorry. When I said "you released a game" I was speaking in general, not you specifically.
And that's fine, but if for example let's say a dev created a game that lets you screw so many beautiful women(renders) and Midway through said "this is not my vision, they're now all masculine men with huge cocks (or something that turns you off completely. I apologise for assuming your sxual orientation) would you still not complain or at least comment about it, then continue on to another game?

It's the first vision/release that encapsulated us(the VN demographic)
We are just letting the dev know. They can do what they want, it's just that now the VN Demo are waiting to see if they should abandon this game or hope and pray for more VN.

 

[Deleted member 416612]

Mates I don't want for anyone to argue here. We are a big family that has the same interest in the end. The change was planned from the beginning but I had to learn things so that I could implement. It isn't a way for me to skip something . On the contrary, it requires more dev effort. The only thing I want for this feature to do is to create a world where players will return. For the free rooming I will implement unique actions and options for the players to enjoy.
On the other hand, I will implement a way to skip this feature and the player will stick on the story, only.
In the end I want to say that there is a common ground so let's enjoy this at it is a work in progress.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Oh lol yeah I'm sorry. When I said "you released a game" I was speaking in general, not you specifically.
And that's fine, but if for example let's say a dev created a game that lets you screw so many beautiful women(renders) and Midway through said "this is not my vision, they're all masculine men with huge cocks (or something that turns you off completely. I apologise for assuming your sxual orientation) would you still not complain or at least comment about it, then continue on to another game?

It's the first vision/release that encapsulated us(the VN demographic)
We are just letting the dev know. They can do what they want, it's just that now the VN Demo are waiting to see if they should abandon this game or hope and pray for more VN.

Mates I don't want for anyone to argue here. We are a big family that has the same interest in the end. The change was planned from the beginning but I had to learn things so that I could implement. It isn't a way for me to skip something . On the contrary, it requires more dev effort. The only thing I want for this feature to do is to create a world where players will return. For the free rooming I will implement unique actions and options for the players to enjoy.
On the other hand, I will implement a way to skip this feature and the player will stick on the story, only.
In the end I want to say that there is a common ground so let's enjoy this at it is a work in progress.

For my part, no worries. I wasn't upset or offended. We were all just confused, I think. I hadn't understood that Geunit and PixelRepublic were just explaining the reason why criticism is useful and why it shouldn't be ignored. And I think they assumed I was against their criticisms or that I thought you should resist what others were saying. I merely was expressing that I was interested to see what you had originally envisioned with the free roaming. I hope we're all good, because I'm perfectly fine with the conversations we've had. We're all friends here (well, in the way that you can be "friends" with folks you don't really know that much).

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

For the same reason Rockstar can't change the type of game GTA is. Imagine if they suddenly right now updated the current game to be 2D, linear and non free roam with no ability to drive any vehicle and no online. Everyone would lose their shit and start complaining. You released a genre of game that targets a certain demographic, only to completely change the gameplay mechanics Midway through. That demographic will lose their shit. I'm not saying the dev can't do this, I'm just saying that screwing people over like this is never a good idea.
Sure that demographic will most likely abandon this game now and the dev will get a new demo who likes this sorta stuff, but if he/she ever switches back to VN after the new grind fest loving demo becomes huge fans, they won't like it either. Then you just pissed off both sides of the coin.

Switching game mechanics midway through will never bode well.

for some reason your comment makes me want to type some dots.............

maybe I'm in the minority, but I was drawn by this

and would've played even if the game was RAGS, textbased or even unreal engine