JoeAngel
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Dev said he felt burnt out so he stopped the game to develop a new one. Personally I feel like a remake if this game is more likely than him continuing it at this point.Why was the game put onhold? Does anyone know?
I'll keep my mouth shut and not accuse of anything, but hope you prove them wrong... cause you had a lot of greatness going on with Vis...fucked it up... tried to make it into something it's not... and now it's sitting here stale.To all those who are saying that I will abandon my games, I have two words:
Vis was the first game I ever developed, and yes, maybe I let my passion be above my experience and I thought I could make it more than a VN because I wanted to deliver the full experience that I had in my mind. In the end, I will make things right.I'll keep my mouth shut and not accuse of anything, but hope you prove them wrong... cause you had a lot of greatness going on with Vis...fucked it up... tried to make it into something it's not... and now it's sitting here stale.
I hope so... this was really good. You were on the right path. You should at least be proud of that.Vis was the first game I ever developed, and yes, maybe I let my passion be above my experience and I thought I could make it more than a VN because I wanted to deliver the full experience that I had in my mind. In the end, I will make things right.
I have to agree with GetOutOfMyLab! Vis was already great and still you wanted what a studio full of coders and designers consistently fails to do. Something like Skyrim, Mass Effect or Dragon Age (the first and second ones). Even Skyrim took years of modding to reach what it is today...Vis was the first game I ever developed, and yes, maybe I let my passion be above my experience and I thought I could make it more than a VN because I wanted to deliver the full experience that I had in my mind. In the end, I will make things right.
Hi all!
Thank you for your messages! First, Vis is not abandoned, at least not for me. F95 moderators have set the tag.
The plan is that after Highway to hell, I will return to Vis and upgrade it. That means an improved story, graphics, and features to enhance the experience as it should have been. I made mistakes, but I plan to fix them, and Highway To Hell is a break for me to deliver something good (at least how I see it) and prepare the Vis upgrade.
To all those who are saying that I will abandon my games, I have two words:
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Yours,
MK
Like others, kinda sad when I saw that Abandoned tag. This became a "must play" for me and sincerely, I don' t think it needs an upgrade and just updates, but I guess you as Dev must feel pleased by your product too. Don't let this die, you have something good going on here.Hi all!
Thank you for your messages! First, Vis is not abandoned, at least not for me. F95 moderators have set the tag.
The plan is that after Highway to hell, I will return to Vis and upgrade it. That means an improved story, graphics, and features to enhance the experience as it should have been. I made mistakes, but I plan to fix them, and Highway To Hell is a break for me to deliver something good (at least how I see it) and prepare the Vis upgrade.
To all those who are saying that I will abandon my games, I have two words:
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Yours,
MK
Lets be honest, that right there is years of work just to get to where it already is in the story.The plan is that after Highway to hell, I will return to Vis and upgrade it. That means an improved story, graphics, and features to enhance the experience as it should have been.
It won't happen anyway. No matter how much work there is.Lets be honest, that right there is years of work just to get to where it already is in the story.
No one wants "features", they just want a solid story and decent renders.
No one is clamoring for sandboxes, mini-games , quick-time-events or any other crap.
Just doing a decent story/plot and decent renders is already years of work for one person.
Just do those two core things well is all anyone really wants.
Playing through 1.6 now and I don't really see much that needs to be changed. Story and prog seem top notch, perhaps maybe just animations?Hi all!
Thank you for your messages! First, Vis is not abandoned, at least not for me. F95 moderators have set the tag.
The plan is that after Highway to hell, I will return to Vis and upgrade it. That means an improved story, graphics, and features to enhance the experience as it should have been. I made mistakes, but I plan to fix them, and Highway To Hell is a break for me to deliver something good (at least how I see it) and prepare the Vis upgrade.
To all those who are saying that I will abandon my games, I have two words:
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Yours,
MK
Hi,Playing through 1.6 now and I don't really see much that needs to be changed. Story and prog seem top notch, perhaps maybe just animations?
Were you thinking character models or some such?
Unpopular opinion but I actually prefer sandboxes over vns. Kind of makes them feel more like a game and give a lot more freedom when it comes to presuing love interests. VNs often force you to sit through scenes involving characters you don't care about just to get to ones you do. The only issue I have with them is that a lot of devs don't know what to do with the sandbox so they just add a bunch of grind in order to prevent you from progressing to fast.Lets be honest, that right there is years of work just to get to where it already is in the story.
No one wants "features", they just want a solid story and decent renders.
No one is clamoring for sandboxes, mini-games , quick-time-events or any other crap.
Just doing a decent story/plot and decent renders is already years of work for one person.
Just do those two core things well is all anyone really wants.
Yes, it is an unpopular opinion and there are very good reasons for that.Unpopular opinion but I actually prefer sandboxes over vns.
No.Kind of makes them feel more like a game
Wrong, you're confusing VN with KN.give a lot more freedom when it comes to presuing love interests. VNs often force you to sit through scenes involving characters you don't care about just to get to ones you do.
Yes, it is an unpopular opinion and there are very good reasons for that.
No.
A sandbox VN is just a glorified scene selector with a bunch of wasted clicking for zero gain.
You're clicking location icons on a map, most of which have nothing going on at any given point in the story, in stead of just making a decision that leads directly into the next scene like a normal VN does.
It is functionally the same as making a list of currently available scenes and letting the user click on them, except you waste time clicking around locations with nothing going on.
Then it goes worse when some idiot decides that not only should you click location icons but then also only at a specific time of day would a scene be available.
It only feels like a 'game' to people who lack critical thinking skills.
Wrong, you're confusing VN with KN.
VN is the digital version of a CYOA book with images that paint the scene behind the text.
KN is what you're describing, where you don't have choices, it's just a story with images.
There is nothing that a sandbox achieves that can't better be served by a standard VN choice/decision system.
There is a reason why sandboxes are universally unpopular.
You'll see many requests for a non-sandbox remake but you'll never see people wishing that a Vn was a sandbox, except as a joke.
Even in the best sandbox VNs, like Love of Magic, the sandbox is tolerated, not lauded.
Also even in a VN like that with loads of content and that is now finished, the majority of locations have nothing new going on most of the time.
No VN has ever been improved because it turned into a sandbox, the reverse is almost always true though.
Hi all!Hi all!
Thank you for your messages! First, Vis is not abandoned, at least not for me. F95 moderators have set the tag.
The plan is that after Highway to hell, I will return to Vis and upgrade it. That means an improved story, graphics, and features to enhance the experience as it should have been. I made mistakes, but I plan to fix them, and Highway To Hell is a break for me to deliver something good (at least how I see it) and prepare the Vis upgrade.
To all those who are saying that I will abandon my games, I have two words:
Yours,
MK
Hi all!
Vis is not abandoned, It is on hold which means only one foot is in the grave while other is still out waiting,
F95 mods have seen this entire show of devs working on new games while leaving the earlier ones half baked and on hold many times before and each time it is the same ending :Abandoned" so yeah the tag is suitable.
The plan is Highway to Hell will probably take a few to years complete lets just say 2-3 years (unless it gets screwed too)and that too depends on how long the game will be, gaps between updates and how many updates will be dropped on time. By the time it is done, there ain't gonna be any returning to Vis.
Lets assume even if you continue Vis after 2-3 years and then start the rework and upgrade of it and then create further episodes the entire shit will take another year or more. So give or take at the minimum Vis ain't getting anything for next 3-4 years.
See dude its all about rep, has the statements you gave were given by Ocean or DPC or DreamNow, every one would have believed it cuz these folks have that rep. The same way if money milkers like Icstor or Irpheaus or Stoper give such statements you know that's bullshit.
The similarity between you or Ics or Irhp is you all started with great games with hella potential but your games met similar fates, be it abandoned or On Hold or 1 update every 1-2 years.I am not comparing you with them but just saying that try not to say things that you can't do as it might end up putting you in the leagues of them.
To all those who are saying that Dev will abandon his games, I have three words:
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I apologize in case anyone reading be it dev or patrons or pirates got immensely offended,
If you are only mildly offended or not offended at all then its cool.
Not really Yours,
GT
Hey Mad King. I don't have too much investment except for a having played the game a long time ago. I remember coming back to play your game and you were turning it into a Sandbox. This is JUST before you started working on it, and people warned you, and you said "It's fine." And a lot of people were saying "But, really you shouldn't-" and you said "It's fine, really?" Then again the audience said "You're making a mistake-" you interrupted and said "No. You are the one's wrong here."Hi all,
I somehow love the 'fatalistic' way of seeing this. The following rows are for those who have a similar opinion as Golden Trump.
Ever since I announced the status of the game, the sheer amount of negativity was somehow above my expectations, even if I clearly stated the reasons, showed statistics and ended up apologizing for my mistake. So here we have the failure (if we can name it like that) on my part. What do we do with the failure? What is the failure policy? Well, for some is similar to total destruction. Failure is not acceptable! But if it occurs, then you are deemed to follow the path of others. It's not an accurate prediction, but we will make it to be accurate.
You said that for me is all about reputation, because what? I don't want to give up. I want to amend my mistakes. This is why is for my reputation? Honestly, it is for me, as I want to know how to face failure, and it's for the people who trusted me. Again, I could have rebranded, and my dear Golden Trump, you would probably, have been a player of a game that I made without your knowledge, and instead of this satire, maybe, you would have been praising a game created by a shadow dev.
But returning to our subject. One thing is for sure. The amount of people who are going to bomb threads of games that are on hold or abandoned. It's starting to become predictable.
So, sometimes I wonder, was my game so good that I triggered emotions in some of the users, and therefore they had this desire to condemn my work, my mistakes, and so on, leaving no way for turning back? Maybe I have, and I know that there were people that got upset. Also, I know there were a lot of people who supported me, and I am grateful. But it intrigues me the amount of effort of people who will criticize me, my work, and my choices, for my mistakes. And I ask myself, are these people so involved in this community that they want other people to not get involved in this game (even if the game has an abandoned tag), and they warn and warn in the hopes that the new blood shall not walk the path of the veterans?!
And, my dear Golden Trump, I will take the liberty of making a remark as you did by assuming I value my reputation more than anything.
Do some 'critics' care so much if a guy/girl they never met, from the other part of the world, tries this game for the first time?! Are these meant to be warnings to them?! Or are these meant to make others who want to be supportive change their views, hoping they will see these 'critics' as oracles? I think it is all about validation. I think some people are pushing and pushing, with all the negativity, involuntarily (or not) for the dev to give up. Why? Because of that last phrase that they will write after the developers retire. That final push of ENTER. That final pressure on the keyboard will seal their "I told you so!" in the heartbeat of this forum and others. But what is more important is that it will carve a new story in their ego.
In the end, I want to say this. Some things are not meant to be shattered and will resist the test of time. Sadly, or not, egos are not one of them. They will be long gone before creativity dies (if it will ever)
I hope I didn't offend anyone, that was not my purpose. I hope that in the end, we will meet again in Colonia, idolizing Morrigan.
Yours (if not for you, Golden Trump, for others for sure)
MK