Bass_Legend

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well your right in that assesment i couldent believe it ether i thaught it was a dream allso but there was no faulse game over if you let Her get realy get raped you end up in jail and it is game over unless you saved just before subway. I still dont get why he gives us choices when they realy dont matter if i tried to be a nice mc i allways get game over so the Big question is why give any option if you cant change your thaughts. Would be a better game if i had no options just a vn but a vn with options that give game over is no option at all dev is stearing the mc so no matter what you choose dosent realy matter.

Well a lot of games on this site fall into this trope. Its a bad way to implement a choice driven narrative. Lets look at KOTOR for example for how to do illusion of choice correctly. KOTOR is one of the best RPG games of all time. One side quest at the start of the game you gain access to a serum that you can give away to charity so all can be cured for low cost. Or you can sell it to the exchange so only the rich can afford it for big finders fee for yourself.

Either way you go about it, the only difference in reality between these two choices is a few lines dialogue. Thats it. Its an illusion of choice. The gameplay is exactly the same with either choice carrying you down the same path. But the dialogue and the context of the narrative is now different.

For example you can do the light side route and at the end of the game turn darkside. The narrative context would be that bastilla ended up convincing you in the end to betray your ideals because of your history with the jedi. The revelation of being revan took its toll on you, even though you were a good guy. Or you could go darkside the whole way and take the lightside route. The context of this playthrough would be you are doing it because of manipulative and selfish reasons not necessarily for the hero reward. Maybe you have a deeper ploy at play that you will go for after the games over. But do realize Malak needs to go and the starforge is bad news and not worth the risk for quick galatic domination.


But you see how the context of the narrative changes because its an illusion. A lot of content creators on here think illusion of choice needs to be implemented as a game over screen. Thats the worst way to do it and it accomplishes nothing unless you get the correct choice on your first try, only to feel lied to thinking that there is actual depth in the game with the other choices.

There is no sense of accomplishment or sense of danger when you can scroll your mouse wheel backwards and select the other choice when you get a game over screen. This is just a needless trial and error in the most primitive way possible to give you the illusion of you having a choice in the narrative. When its doing the opposite, making you feel like you do not have a choice in the narrative.

A strong point for this game is how it creates unique personalities and characters, and does stay within that characters personality matrix. But you dont need a big budget to do illusion of choice correctly. The writer has no idea how to pilot a choice driven narrative and obviously did not do surface level research into the topic of how to create a choice driven narrative. In his defense most games on here fall into the same problem. Its one of those things thats easy to do if you do basic research on the topic, but you are not going to figure it out on your own without doing the research, end up implementing bad tropes that degrade your game.
 
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Indeed sir,this game is cute as hell,it make me addict to it...HAHAHAH,i dont care,i will keep playin dis game until the end:love:
Dam right so will i I love this game and the humor is kick ass funy and i do realy love me per car Meow Meow Meow
 
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That said, maybe we shouldn't discuss a sleazy VN made by a single guy in his free time like it's Game of Thrones.
Does it entertain me?
Yup.
Alright then that's settled. Carry on dudes.

if he comes around with his fancy logic or some form of reservation, theres only one thing to do, mates:

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geenius3ab

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I really don't understand why there are people complaining about certain types of porn being part of this awesome game.

The MC isn't a good person, this is a fact that's quite clear from early on. So what if he drugs ppl to get his wish, he has his own reasons hence he is sort of a "dark hero" who has his own reasoning.
He has raped girls, yes, but he isn't physically hurting them and in the end they do end up liking him even without aphrodisiacs or the drug which only is proven to have a temporary effect. It's not like he turns ppl into brainless puppets, he is a manipulator hence he isn't a good person, but I think that in terms of humanity, he's still humane in how he treats ppl.

+ Finally, it's all fiction. If you don't like any of the genres noted, you can just skip it. Such genres existing don't really affect the real world.

P.S: I can't wait till the next version.

Edit: Just to add that the guy also talked about the illusion of choice and there not being actual branching paths. I can say that it's still work in progress and the amount of time which is required to make actual branching paths is silly. As long as the general game/outline is created, it's always possible to add in additional content or branching paths.
 

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Well a lot of games on this site fall into this trope. Its a bad way to implement a choice driven narrative. Lets look at KOTOR for example for how to do illusion of choice correctly. KOTOR is one of the best RPG games of all time. One side quest at the start of the game you gain access to a serum that you can give away to charity so all can be cured for low cost. Or you can sell it to the exchange so only the rich can afford it for big finders fee for yourself.

Either way you go about it, the only difference in reality between these two choices is a few lines dialogue. Thats it. Its an illusion of choice. The gameplay is exactly the same with either choice carrying you down the same path. But the dialogue and the context of the narrative is now different.

For example you can do the light side route and at the end of the game turn darkside. The narrative context would be that bastilla ended up convincing you in the end to betray your ideals because of your history with the jedi. The revelation of being revan took its toll on you, even though you were a good guy. Or you could go darkside the whole way and take the lightside route. The context of this playthrough would be you are doing it because of manipulative and selfish reasons not necessarily for the hero reward. Maybe you have a deeper ploy at play that you will go for after the games over. But do realize Malak needs to go and the starforge is bad news and not worth the risk for quick galatic domination.


But you see how the context of the narrative changes because its an illusion. A lot of content creators on here think illusion of choice needs to be implemented as a game over screen. Thats the worst way to do it and it accomplishes nothing unless you get the correct choice on your first try, only to feel lied to thinking that there is actual depth in the game with the other choices.

There is no sense of accomplishment or sense of danger when you can scroll your mouse wheel backwards and select the other choice when you get a game over screen. This is just a needless trial and error in the most primitive way possible to give you the illusion of you having a choice in the narrative. When its doing the opposite, making you feel like you do not have a choice in the narrative.

A strong point for this game is how it creates unique personalities and characters, and does stay within that characters personality matrix. But you dont need a big budget to do illusion of choice correctly. The writer has no idea how to pilot a choice driven narrative and obviously did not do surface level research into the topic of how to create a choice driven narrative. In his defense most games on here fall into the same problem. Its one of those things thats easy to do if you do basic research on the topic, but you are not going to figure it out on your own without doing the research, end up implementing bad tropes that degrade your game.
Relax dude. You've written about 100 paragraphs about a game you don't really like. Just chill.
 

Bass_Legend

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Relax dude. You've written about 100 paragraphs about a game you don't really like. Just chill.

What can I say I am a natural critic. Yall seem unable to seperate the "porn" aspect from the "game" aspect. Its a choice driven narrative and I call it like I see it. A solo dev on a budget can use illusion of choice effectively, its from lack of knowledge about how to structure a narrative driven game on the devs part..

I really don't understand why there are people complaining about certain types of porn being part of this awesome game.

The MC isn't a good person, this is a fact that's quite clear from early on. So what if he drugs ppl to get his wish, he has his own reasons hence he is sort of a "dark hero" who has his own reasoning.
He has raped girls, yes, but he isn't physically hurting them and in the end they do end up liking him even without aphrodisiacs or the drug which only is proven to have a temporary effect. It's not like he turns ppl into brainless puppets, he is a manipulator hence he isn't a good person, but I think that in terms of humanity, he's still humane in how he treats ppl.

+ Finally, it's all fiction. If you don't like any of the genres noted, you can just skip it. Such genres existing don't really affect the real world.

P.S: I can't wait till the next version.

My problem was someone calling the MC a "good guy", not that the MC was evil. Good guys dont drug or molest chicks IRL and if you think that the chick ending up letting you D her IRL after this behavior makes the action of drugging and molesting acceptable, you can fuck right off.


He is not a dark hero he is a bag of dicks who belongs in prison for drugging and molesting females without their consent. Period. If they put out after this behavior thats on them. Of course its a fiction but you are calling this evil character a "Dark hero" and justifying the behavior saying hey they liked it in the end so who are we to judge.

No you dont drug or molest chicks without their consent.

My pet peeve is you calling obvious evil good, not that the character is evil. its a fiction about an evil PC having his fun drugging / raping chicks and then watching these females desire and put out for his evil actions/personality/behavior..
 
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Bass_Legend

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I think... Developer have something very special for Rachel.... Man it pisses me off when i think about her..... I know the story of Rachel is unreal... Though its very interesting!!!!!
Thats the nurse right? I am into a well done succubus plot hoping his dreams are not actually dreams and its not science what shes doing. That would be a juicy plot twist a lot of content to write and develop off that.


The character I am most interested in is his mother. So far no attempts or actions besides glory holing her when she thought it was her toy. She is very hot. Her personality is meek submissive but has a deep desire for sex. And there is that tension of her abandoning her only son whats up with that? Doesn't seem like she makes much effort to reconcile and the dev isnt doing much with her so far. Just pretending like all is well nothing happened with the past doesnt want to go there. MC isnt paying much attention either besides plotting revenge and glory hole / voyeur
 

geenius3ab

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My problem was someone calling the MC a "good guy", not that the MC was evil. Good guys dont drug or molest chicks IRL and if you think that the chick ending up letting you D her IRL after this behavior makes the action of drugging and molesting acceptable, you can fuck right off.


He is not a dark hero he is a bag of dicks who belongs in prison for drugging and molesting females without their consent. Period. If they put out after this behavior thats on them. Of course its a fiction but you are calling this evil character a "Dark hero" and justifying the behavior saying hey they liked it in the end so who are we to judge.

No you dont drug or molest chicks without their consent.

My pet peeve is you calling obvious evil good, not that the character is evil. its a fiction about an evil PC having his fun drugging / raping chicks and then watching these females desire and put out for his evil actions/personality/behavior..
"if you think that the chick ending up letting you D her IRL after this behavior makes the action of drugging and molesting acceptable, you can fuck right off." - You know you are talking about a fictional story, right? Do you think that the depictions in this game have an effect in the perception on IRL? Are you an adult? Because adults happen to have the power of separating fiction from reality, your whole idea of us liking a specific type of porn being somehow mirrored in our views on IRL, can just fuck right off.

And for someone who is critical of the narrative, you aren't really understanding everything involved in what makes the women want the MC.
1. The MC is acting like a good person, helps people and as he is an attractive person, women are already somewhat attracted to him.
2. The women themselves don't happen to know that they're drugged, which is the magic of a "fictional drug". All they know is that they really want to bang the MC hence the MC, in combination to his good impression that he already has with them, they are more willing to set up a relationship. Once you have intercourse with a conservative woman, the thing is that they also happen to be more attached to the person (Unless ofc they're ppl who like casual sex, which is not the case because the setting is in Japan).
3. In the story the women aren't addicted to the drug, the drug literally has no other effect than them wanting to bang someone close by. Yes the intent of the MC who gave it to women wasn't good, but the difference is between how the woman sees the case. If they're depicted to be outraged and angry, that'd be fine and reasonable, but the way how the story is displayed is different. That the drug just pushed the women to be more direct with their actual feelings (Because as it was established, it only has a temporary effect and anything that follows is still who they are).

To break it down for you, yes the MC did morally bad things, but he has yet to do anything genuinely evil and he has reasons for doing what he does (If you claim that what I said is evil, then that's something we will disagree with because if the women were to be psychologically traumatized then yes, it would be evil, but based on the story here, that's no the case). The women who were already attracted to him being given that push aren't exactly victims if they genuinely like the MC and want to be together with him.
Now I bet you make the point about "lying/deception being immoral and if you sleep after you lied to someone, it's rape" which is something I strongly disagree with because the fact is that every single one of us lies, make up is also deception as it beautifies someone and if you sleep with them while they have make up on, you sleep with someone who appears hotter than they really are. There is no end to this shit. If you give consent at the time of the act, there might be regret, but again, consent was given hence there wouldn't be a overly strong mental harm that came from it. + We have yet to see strong regret in the story from any of the girls and from the way it's depicted.

Your reaction is stupid imho. He isn't a good person, but he isn't a monster, and you talking about the "horrors of rape" in regards to this game is just of horrible taste.
 

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For a game that I was expecting some pivotal plan of vengeance or related stuff, this the the worst MC that I ever saw.
 

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I think you guys are taking things way too seriously with the MC, he isn't nearly as much of a dick as some make it out to be. For me personally in the end what really matters are the girls and they are great, especially Kayane. Now her plot i am genuinely interested in, she seems like an easy going slut but is actually very strong willed which you would expect considering her background, there is a lot more going around with her than meets the eye.

This game is going great, can't wait to see more and boy oh boy am i looking forward to Waifu Hunter. I look at some of the girls in the previews and i just wanna die. In fact that's probably whats gonna happen when those demon girls get a hold of you lol.

Flashbacks to Monster Girl Quest energy drain.
 
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Genji

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"if you think that the chick ending up letting you D her IRL after this behavior makes the action of drugging and molesting acceptable, you can fuck right off." - You know you are talking about a fictional story, right? Do you think that the depictions in this game have an effect in the perception on IRL? Are you an adult? Because adults happen to have the power of separating fiction from reality, your whole idea of us liking a specific type of porn being somehow mirrored in our views on IRL, can just fuck right off.

And for someone who is critical of the narrative, you aren't really understanding everything involved in what makes the women want the MC.
1. The MC is acting like a good person, helps people and as he is an attractive person, women are already somewhat attracted to him.
2. The women themselves don't happen to know that they're drugged, which is the magic of a "fictional drug". All they know is that they really want to bang the MC hence the MC, in combination to his good impression that he already has with them, they are more willing to set up a relationship. Once you have intercourse with a conservative woman, the thing is that they also happen to be more attached to the person (Unless ofc they're ppl who like casual sex, which is not the case because the setting is in Japan).
3. In the story the women aren't addicted to the drug, the drug literally has no other effect than them wanting to bang someone close by. Yes the intent of the MC who gave it to women wasn't good, but the difference is between how the woman sees the case. If they're depicted to be outraged and angry, that'd be fine and reasonable, but the way how the story is displayed is different. That the drug just pushed the women to be more direct with their actual feelings (Because as it was established, it only has a temporary effect and anything that follows is still who they are).

To break it down for you, yes the MC did morally bad things, but he has yet to do anything genuinely evil and he has reasons for doing what he does (If you claim that what I said is evil, then that's something we will disagree with because if the women were to be psychologically traumatized then yes, it would be evil, but based on the story here, that's no the case). The women who were already attracted to him being given that push aren't exactly victims if they genuinely like the MC and want to be together with him.
Now I bet you make the point about "lying/deception being immoral and if you sleep after you lied to someone, it's rape" which is something I strongly disagree with because the fact is that every single one of us lies, make up is also deception as it beautifies someone and if you sleep with them while they have make up on, you sleep with someone who appears hotter than they really are. There is no end to this shit. If you give consent at the time of the act, there might be regret, but again, consent was given hence there wouldn't be a overly strong mental harm that came from it. + We have yet to see strong regret in the story from any of the girls and from the way it's depicted.

Your reaction is stupid imho. He isn't a good person, but he isn't a monster, and you talking about the "horrors of rape" in regards to this game is just of horrible taste.
Finally someone said it(y)
 

Bass_Legend

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"if you think that the chick ending up letting you D her IRL after this behavior makes the action of drugging and molesting acceptable, you can fuck right off." - You know you are talking about a fictional story, right? Do you think that the depictions in this game have an effect in the perception on IRL? Are you an adult? Because adults happen to have the power of separating fiction from reality, your whole idea of us liking a specific type of porn being somehow mirrored in our views on IRL, can just fuck right off.

And for someone who is critical of the narrative, you aren't really understanding everything involved in what makes the women want the MC.
1. The MC is acting like a good person, helps people and as he is an attractive person, women are already somewhat attracted to him.
2. The women themselves don't happen to know that they're drugged, which is the magic of a "fictional drug". All they know is that they really want to bang the MC hence the MC, in combination to his good impression that he already has with them, they are more willing to set up a relationship. Once you have intercourse with a conservative woman, the thing is that they also happen to be more attached to the person (Unless ofc they're ppl who like casual sex, which is not the case because the setting is in Japan).
3. In the story the women aren't addicted to the drug, the drug literally has no other effect than them wanting to bang someone close by. Yes the intent of the MC who gave it to women wasn't good, but the difference is between how the woman sees the case. If they're depicted to be outraged and angry, that'd be fine and reasonable, but the way how the story is displayed is different. That the drug just pushed the women to be more direct with their actual feelings (Because as it was established, it only has a temporary effect and anything that follows is still who they are).

To break it down for you, yes the MC did morally bad things, but he has yet to do anything genuinely evil and he has reasons for doing what he does (If you claim that what I said is evil, then that's something we will disagree with because if the women were to be psychologically traumatized then yes, it would be evil, but based on the story here, that's no the case). The women who were already attracted to him being given that push aren't exactly victims if they genuinely like the MC and want to be together with him.
Now I bet you make the point about "lying/deception being immoral and if you sleep after you lied to someone, it's rape" which is something I strongly disagree with because the fact is that every single one of us lies, make up is also deception as it beautifies someone and if you sleep with them while they have make up on, you sleep with someone who appears hotter than they really are. There is no end to this shit. If you give consent at the time of the act, there might be regret, but again, consent was given hence there wouldn't be a overly strong mental harm that came from it. + We have yet to see strong regret in the story from any of the girls and from the way it's depicted.

Your reaction is stupid imho. He isn't a good person, but he isn't a monster, and you talking about the "horrors of rape" in regards to this game is just of horrible taste.

Under this logic, if someone drugged and molested your sister or mother you would be cool with them not being in prison if your sister or mother ended up giving him the D afterwards. This is very gross. I 1000% disagree this is an evil character through and through.

I dont care if he spends the rest of his life giving to charity and living as a fucking monk. If he does not repent and express remorse for this behavior he is an evil fuck. Not to mention thats just one example of what he has done. Part of the fiction is that these women are attracted to him despite his evil and fucked behavior. Like in the narrative the only reason his sister jumped his bones was because he was persistent on molesting her while drugged. And she does not seems to give a shit if he peruses other women, 100% carnal even though she was a virgin.

No this is all fuck shit and yall are gross for thinking you can be a "good person" without remorse or repenting of this behavior.
 

cl0ckw3rk

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Under this logic, if someone drugged and molested your sister or mother you would be cool with them not being in prison if your sister or mother ended up giving him the D afterwards. This is very gross. I 1000% disagree this is an evil character through and through.

I dont care if he spends the rest of his life giving to charity and living as a fucking monk. If he does not repent and express remorse for this behavior he is an evil fuck. Not to mention thats just one example of what he has done. Part of the fiction is that these women are attracted to him despite his evil and fucked behavior. Like in the narrative the only reason his sister jumped his bones was because he was persistent on molesting her while drugged. And she does not seems to give a shit if he peruses other women, 100% carnal even though she was a virgin.

No this is all fuck shit and yall are gross for thinking you can be a "good person" without remorse or repenting of this behavior.
Not sure what cause you're trying to champion, but this isn't getting you anywhere. You've done more than enough typing if you simply needed to vent.

Quit expecting realism from a game called "Waifu Academy" or stop playing it (and stop letting us know about it).
 
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>tfw people are arguing about morality in this thread

:alien::alien: Ayy lmao. :alien::alien:

Shut up, guys. It's a game. MC is not a good person, but just because you enjoy the game doesn't mean you think anything in this game is applicable to reality to any extent, if you think so, you have bigger problems than the morality of a fictional character.

Let's get back the fuck on track. This game's good: Y/N?
 

Bass_Legend

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Not sure what cause you're trying to champion, but this isn't getting you anywhere. You've done more than enough typing if you simply needed to vent.

Quit expecting realism from a game called "Waifu Academy" or stop playing it (and stop letting us know about it).

Its not that I am expecting realism or care that he is an evil character in a fiction. My problem is with people saying he is a good guy. Hes not, hes not a dark hero, hes a rapist and a molester that for some reason chicks cant help but get off and be attracted to his depraved Cock.
 

Genji

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Its not that I am expecting realism or care that he is an evil character in a fiction. My problem is with people saying he is a good guy. Hes not, hes not a dark hero, hes a rapist and a molester that for some reason chicks cant help but get off and be attracted to his depraved Cock.
There,there mister..have some cookies..relax for a bit:coffee:
 
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