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Cheers, I'll skip it though. Sandbox is usually a hard pass for me.

I do find it criminal that this thread can be three years old and not have it's tags updated. It's not even listed under the genre tab which feels intentionally deceptive.
Not uncommon for Sandbox games to miss that tag... so 'intentionally deceptive' is a comical over exaggeration. There aren't many people that have an issue with Sandbox like you do so it hardly seems like an issue, so many will forget to include it and few people are bothered by it so rarely does anyone point it out and so sandbox games often miss that tag for years. Not to mention that the owner of this tread is a Mod not the Dev.
 
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Not uncommon for Sandbox games to miss that tag... so 'intentionally deceptive' is a comical over exaggeration. There aren't many people that have an issue with Sandbox like you do so it hardly seems like an issue, so many will forget to include it and few people are bothered by it so rarely does anyone point it out and so sandbox games often miss that tag for years. Not to mention that the owner of this tread is a Mod not the Dev.
I disagree. The tags are there for a reason; so people can use the filters, to let people know what kind of game they are getting to and by extension, preventing threads being filled up with conversations like these. Too simply not use them because it's "Not uncommon for Sandbox games to miss that tag" is a cop-out answer.

Also I don't know what kind of rock you've been living under but almost half the site has issues with sandbox like I do and it's not isolated to one side, there are people who like sandbox games who are just as vocal about this sort of thing in VN threads and so they should be, it's not like we're asking anyone to change their games, we just want them tagged properly so that we don't waste our time downloading games we don't want to play, and for the filter system on the sites search engine to be able to do it's job.

The fact that the owner of the thread is a mod is not a valid point to make and largely irrelevant too, since it has nothing to do with the tags used.

Just use the tags, and if you can't change them for whatever reason put it in the genre section. It's what they are there for, being transparent takes zero effort and avoids so much drama and bloat in the comment section (like this).

I don't see the downside of using proper tags. But I do see many for not using them.
 
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Is this really a sandbox type game? I'm not a fan myself of them as a general rule (hate the wash, rinse repeat 20 times type stuff), but if i remember correctly the only repeatable events are lewd scenes. All the daily events move the story along for each character individually. Just asking not trying to ruffle feathers on one side or the other.
 
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Is this really a sandbox type game? I'm not a fan myself of them as a general rule (hate the wash, rinse repeat 20 times type stuff), but if i remember correctly the only repeatable events are lewd scenes. All the daily events move the story along for each character individually. Just asking not trying to ruffle feathers on one side or the other.
there is no grind, just locations, lots of jumping around for scenes, but is fine game got lots of content if you are starting fresh.
 

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I disagree. The tags are there for a reason; so people can use the filters, to let people know what kind of game they are getting to and by extension, preventing threads being filled up with conversations like these. Too simply not use them because it's "Not uncommon for Sandbox games to miss that tag" is a cop-out answer.

Also I don't know what kind of rock you've been living under but almost half the site has issues with sandbox like I do and it's not isolated to one side, there are people who like sandbox games who are just as vocal about this sort of thing in VN threads and so they should be, it's not like we're asking anyone to change their games, we just want them tagged properly so that we don't waste our time downloading games we don't want to play, and for the filter system on the sites search engine to be able to do it's job.

The fact that the owner of the thread is a mod is not a valid point to make and largely irrelevant too, since it has nothing to do with the tags used.

Just use the tags, and if you can't change them for whatever reason put it in the genre section. It's what they are there for, being transparent takes zero effort and avoids so much drama and bloat in the comment section (like this).

I don't see the downside of using proper tags. But I do see many for not using them.
I too have an issue with sandbox and hate sandbox but this is not really a sandbox. It is basically a visual novel, there are no random events or things like that. You click to go from story to story and you can completely avoid the map by using the menu. You're missing out on a great story because of an inaccurate assumption about games with maps.
 

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I disagree. The tags are there for a reason; so people can use the filters, to let people know what kind of game they are getting to and by extension, preventing threads being filled up with conversations like these. Too simply not use them because it's "Not uncommon for Sandbox games to miss that tag" is a copout answer and is honestly just an excuse for lazyness.

Also I don't know what kind of rock you've been living under but almost half the is site has issues with sandbox like I do, and it's not like I'm asking them to change it, but to simply be transparent about the type of game it is using the official methods provided by this site.

The fact that the owner of the thread is a mod is not a valid point to make and largely irrelevant too, since it has nothing to do with the tags used and being a mod should only make changing the tags easier.

I honestly don't think it's much to ask to use the site features as intended and being transparent about what people can expect in your game. It's not difficult and failing to do so, can very easily be seen as the result of lazyness or being intentionally deceptive.

Just use the tags, and if you can't change them for whatever reason put in the genre section. It's what they are there for, being transparent takes zero effort and avoids so much drama and bloat in the comment section. I don't see the downside.
Sorry my man, but your post is completely delusional. You are confusing reality with your own fantasies. The reality is that threads are maintained by people and people can miss things especially if they are maintaining a lot of threads. This is why it is significant that a Mod is the owner of this thread... but in your fantasy world it's irrelevant and an invalid point that a person updating, uploading and doing a bunch of other things might miss a few tags in a game thread, on the contrary, you think it should only make it easier for them...

In your fantasy world if someone didn't include some information, such as a tag, then it all comes down to either laziness or deception. In your world there is no busyness or such human traits as forgetfulness or inattentiveness (both can often be the result of being very busy (like a mod for example)). Keep in mind that the whole site is maintained by far fewer people then there are game threads. In your fantasy world if something isn't done the way you want it, then it's done so maliciously or because of laziness.

Sorry, but just because something was intended to be something doesn't always turnout perfectly the way it may have been intended... Viagra was intended as medicine for high blood pressure and angina, but that's not what it became. But of course in your world that doesn't happen, and the fact that missing tags are common in many game threads on the forum doesn't suggest to you that your expectation and reality are diverging but rather it's a 'cop-out answer' to you and an 'excuse for laziness' as you put it... or could it be that your views are out of touch with reality? No, that can't be, because as you said doing all this stuff we talked about (and doing it without mistakes) all takes zero effort (at least according to you). So of course you don't see the downside... though I would argue that you don't see the reality either.
 
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Sorry my man, but your post is completely delusional. You are confusing reality with your own fantasies. The reality is that threads are maintained by people and people can miss things especially if they are maintaining a lot of threads. This is why it is significant that a Mod is the owner of this thread... but in your fantasy world it's irrelevant and an invalid point that a person updating, uploading and doing a bunch of other things might miss a few tags in a game thread, on the contrary, you think it should only make it easier for them...

In your fantasy world if someone didn't include some information, such as a tag, then it all comes down to either laziness or deception. In your world there is no busyness or such human traits as forgetfulness or inattentiveness (both can often be the result of being very busy (like a mod for example)). Keep in mind that the whole site is maintained by far fewer people then there are game threads. In your fantasy world if something isn't done the way you want it, then it's done so maliciously or because of laziness.

Sorry, but just because something was intended to be something doesn't always turnout perfectly the way it may have been intended... Viagra was intended as medicine for high blood pressure and angina, but that's not what it became. But of course in your world that doesn't happen, and the fact that missing tags are common in many game threads on the forum doesn't suggest to you that your expectation and reality are diverging but rather it's a 'cop-out answer' to you and an 'excuse for laziness' as you put it... or could it be that your views are out of touch with reality? No, that can't be, because as you said doing all this stuff we talked about (and doing it without mistakes) all takes zero effort (at least according to you). So of course you don't see the downside... though I would argue that you don't see the reality either.
This is just a strawman argument.

The fact of the matter is that as a mod they have more power over the thread and therefore changing things would be a lot easier for them than your average dev, That's what made your point irrelevant.

And what you're saying about mistakes happening and things getting missed would be valid, if it wasn't for this thread being over 3 years old, which was the basis of my initial comment that you replied to. That's plenty of time to fix things and to add on to this point, I don't know what your bitching about, because how are people suppose to fix things like this, if people like myself don't point out the mistake in the first place?

As to your point of "Sorry, but just because something was intended to be something doesn't always turnout perfectly the way it may have been intended" A lot of the time those things don't work because of people not using the system properly (case and point) and people like you who defend the faulty status quo and try to squash the voices calling for improvement.

I'd recommend you bow out of this debate since you're already resorting personal attacks instead of debating the merits.
 
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This is just a strawman argument.
This is by no means a straw man argument since I addressed only the points you made, the way you made them, and even used your own words. Calling this a straw man argument is like pretending what you wrote isn't what you wrote. I am willing to believe that what you wrote isn't what you meant, but that doesn't make it a straw man argument, that's on you.

The fact of the matter is that as a mod they have more power over the thread and therefore changing things would be a lot easier for them than your average dev, That's what made your point irrelevant.
Now this is a good example of a straw man argument. You first misrepresent what I wrote when I said that the Mod is the owner of the thread and not the Dev, so it's unlikely that the missing tag was 'intentionally deceptive' as you suggested, then you said it is irrelevant and not a valid point, I explained to you why it is valid and relevant by expanding on what I meant by pointing out that Mods maintain many threads, so they can easily miss some tags in some threads by mistake, not intentionally or due to laziness like you suggested in your 2 posts multiple times. Now you once more repeat the same thing you said the first time ignoring what I said and try to suggest that somehow your misrepresentation makes my point irrelevant... what's irrelevant is the self-serving misrepresentation you are trying to use which has nothing to do with what I said. A classic straw man argument you are trying to pull there.


And what you're saying about mistakes happening and things getting missed would be valid, if it wasn't for this thread being over 3 years old, which was the basis of my initial comment that you replied to. That's plenty of time to fix things and to add on to this point, I don't know what your bitching about, because how are people suppose to fix things like this, if people like myself don't point out the mistake in the first place?
No one was arguing about what the basis of your initial comment was or if you should or should not point out mistakes... Your posts were accusing of intentionally misleading the users and laziness, I pointed that out, you doubled down and I provided further arguments, that was all. I argued what you posted, not the fact that you posted.

As to your point of "Sorry, but just because something was intended to be something doesn't always turnout perfectly the way it may have been intended" A lot of the time those things don't work because of people not using the system properly (case and point) and people like you who defend the faulty status quo and try to squash the voices calling for improvement.
This is the key point that we were arguing... this is why I called your post delusional. I was explaining to you in my second post that in this case the problem is the system, and not the fact that someone was not using the system properly. I am not defending it, I am pointing this out. You keep trying to misrepresent what I write and argue against that... where did I say that I didn't want you posting about missing tags? Where did I defend the 'status quo'? I explained the reason behind it, which you suggested was laziness and deception, and I explained to you that it isn't, there are other causes such as shortage of time, far more game threads than people that maintain them, and human error. Lets not lie about what someone did or said and try to argue against that... try arguing aganist what is actally there.

I'd recommend you bow out of this debate since you're already resorting personal attacks instead of debating the merits.
Please provide at least 1 quote from any one of my posts to you here where I made a personal attack. I ridiculed what you wrote and the arguments you have made but I never said anything about you.

I called your post delusional, I repeatedly pointed out that the arguments you made are based on you confusing your fantasies with reality about how things actually work... but at no point did I make any remarks insulting you, only your arguments and the things you wrote. You on the other hand made a ton of baseless and false claims which I pointed out so I wouldn't call this a debate, more like dispelling baseless accusations/claims made by you.
 

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This game is clearly a sandbox or an open world, it s basically a maze when you have to go to all the location to find an event. Yep it s not a trainer when you have to grind a lot for love point or money, but it s a sanbox and i think it miss this tag.
But the dev add a system to go directly to the event quick teleport system, first choice in your room, and you can choose between vn or sandbox at the begining to activate it. So there is the 2 of them. The dev clearly know some people don t like sandbox and try to make it better for them. Maybe it s why they don t want to add the tag for the two type of player can try it.

For my point i don t like sandbox too, but with the teleport system i could play at it without feeling in a maze. The second point i don t like sandbox is the lack of choice, the game play is usually all in the moving various aera, to me it feel like a kinetic where you can only choose the order of reading of the chapter but have no inpact on the story... but this game have a few so the vn gameplay is just poor for me but well, ok...
Except for the comedian sisters with brothel owner (same with the brothel heads girls), there are no choice at all in this chapter and it s really annoying... i really don t like the way she do what she want with you and you can t say anything to tell her (You know kidnap the prince of wartribe can bring you a lot of problems... for example.) . For now the sisters are the caracters i don t like the most but i can t say i dislike them, it s frustrating. More the game go and more i feel the mc become what i hate, a caracter with no personality who can t say no to a girl...

There is no a request system in this forum to add tags ? or private message to talk to the owner of this thread ?
i think it will be better to go that way than talk about it with people who can t do anything about it...
 
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This is the key point that we were arguing... this is why I called your post delusional. I was explaining to you in my second post that in this case the problem is the system, and not the fact that someone was not using the system properly.
I really don't think that's what you two were arguing about, the guy came into the thread with a valid complaint and you seemingly decided that the system needed to be destroyed and went off on a tangent. Honestly it was a little difficult to follow exactly what you were talking about so I'm glad you pointed out what your position was here.

Have you ever wondered why it is that you think absolutely nobody but this one person has a problem with sandbox games? I imagine that it's probably because you don't see people complaining about sandbox games.

I don't know about other people, but I have a problem with sandbox games too - and half the reason I'm not whining in every thread about it is because of the tag system that allows me to either a) filter them out, and or b) tell at a glance whether or not the VN is about or contains something I loathe before I download it.

I'm pretty sure someone removed the sandbox tag from this thread, probably just a mistake. The system you seem to think is so broken works great with every other game on here, I think it's a pretty good system tbh. I'll report the first post anyway and ask for the tag to be put back, that's all you have to do on here and things usually get sorted pretty quick by the mod team.


... obligatory fuck the system!
 

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Is this really a sandbox type game? I'm not a fan myself of them as a general rule (hate the wash, rinse repeat 20 times type stuff), but if i remember correctly the only repeatable events are lewd scenes. All the daily events move the story along for each character individually. Just asking not trying to ruffle feathers on one side or the other.
If you're wondering if you can get stuck in a loop ... YES! If you're wondering if it can become a grind ... YES! This game is mistagged, and don't let anybody tell you that it's "just jumping around" to make it seem like it's not! "Just jumping around" IS the very definition of "sandbox." I hate, HATE sandboxes! And I got duped into this one due to the fact that my filters did NOT filter it out because the sandbox tag has not been added, which is totally uncool! This b.s. is anger inducing! I, and plenty others, don't like to waste time downloading a game and then playing it only to find out that it wasn't tagged properly, and it sneakily slithered its way through their filters. It's simply not cool!

If you don't like sandboxes and grinds, bro, then stay far away from this one!
 
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If you're wondering if you can get stuck in a loop ... YES! If you're wondering if it can become a grind ... YES!
I feel like the answer is no to both of these though, am I misremembering? I don't think the game has any point where it keeps track of stats. You just click on the girl in the menu to proceed with her story. The only real "navigation" here is choosing a girl to proceed with, it's 1 click.

As such the map is decorative and completely avoidable.
 
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