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As a woman, playing a game as a male MC, who's wife is going to cheat, it leaves me very conflicted but I won't deny that it's hot.
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Yes but I am interested in seeing whether it will be many one night stands or a couple of one night stands and a lasting affair
- Jun 11, 2020
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Im not interested in being a cuck, but i do play the swinging/sharing and cheating route, just hope i dont miss too much Heather by not doing that route
- Aug 23, 2020
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Illegible Mink Liked the game so far! The dual perspective is very nice! The wife model is something new and refreshing. It's clear there was a lot of effort behind this. The visual quality, dialogue, pacing everything is done in a competent way. I tried the sharing route as humiliation doesn't do anything for me. Really love all the characters popping in here and there like the science teacher, the receptionist, her co workers, the Chinese takeout ladies, etc.
There are some concerns though:
Other women characters are also very interesting. Hopefully we can pursue them with the wife's blessing and even involve them in their bedroom. I don't see why any distinction should be made between men and women as potential partners especially if the wife is bisexual. It felt weird trying to pursue his student and getting backlash from the wife.
One very exciting idea is having the husband help another adventurous couple by taking on a dominant role and cuckolding the other husband. He's perfect for this since he's experienced with these things.
Just my 2 cents as a player interested in the swinging/sharing aspect of the game. I'm quite dominant and I really like expressing this confidence and dominance in this non monogamous sort of way. Of course if it was a fem protag game I'd select the most hardcore route haha. I hope it made sense and you consider making a swinging/sharing path more friendly to non NTR/cuckold players. Wish you the best of luck.
There are some concerns though:
- The tone of the story is not very fun. At home the wife is tired all the time. School is a pain with the bitchy principal and her office has big workplace harassment energy. It's not like 'I like that guy! He's hot.' but it's more like 'so this is what I have to do to succeed here.' I guess the principal stuff and creepy coworker stuff works as a porn setting for ntr route but I thought the swinging/sharing route would be more laid back.
- Maybe it's because the paths are still new but it feels like the MC is disrespected a lot. He has to do everything according to his wife or he loses points but the one time he asks her to switch position/suck him off she refuses. The store clerk 'playfully' calls him a loser while flirting with the girl. My MC refused to blackmail the principal but got berated by her. The jogging boss is bordering on disrespect in front of his wife by 'forgetting' his name and other such signals. I like his model and I'm waiting for hot situation involving the three but guys who are jerks is a major turn off.
Other women characters are also very interesting. Hopefully we can pursue them with the wife's blessing and even involve them in their bedroom. I don't see why any distinction should be made between men and women as potential partners especially if the wife is bisexual. It felt weird trying to pursue his student and getting backlash from the wife.
One very exciting idea is having the husband help another adventurous couple by taking on a dominant role and cuckolding the other husband. He's perfect for this since he's experienced with these things.
Just my 2 cents as a player interested in the swinging/sharing aspect of the game. I'm quite dominant and I really like expressing this confidence and dominance in this non monogamous sort of way. Of course if it was a fem protag game I'd select the most hardcore route haha. I hope it made sense and you consider making a swinging/sharing path more friendly to non NTR/cuckold players. Wish you the best of luck.
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My read on the situation is that, even on the sharing route, the husband isn't exactly respected. I get the impression that, best case scenario, he's allowed to participate and have his own fun, but he's never viewed as a peer. But I would agree that this game isn't exactly interested in "fun", and that's one of the reasons I'm so conflicted. I feel like the end game for the MC is choosing from nothing but bad options.
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I don't know about end game tbh but yeah off putting stuff isn't rare in the genre. In the adventurous couple there's suddenly the MC's dad who is a real pos who likes to fuck the women his son is in a relationship with. Instead of a well placed punch that makes him swallow a couple of his own teeth the MC welcomes him in his home with a smile.
I don't really mind his small dick and I'm okay if he's not the best lover in the game but atleast there should be a fun easy going vibe in the sharing path. The wife acts rude if you don't do what she wants, the moment you have fun with Debbie the wife is notified immediately, the lesbian principal tries to castrate you at every turn and the boss is an asshole for whatever reason. I get that some of it can be explained by the behavior of the MC as he is lazy and some sort of challenge is needed to make the story interesting but if there's just unpleasant assholes around the character I'm not going to enjoy it much.
Like he could've found the file and had a little more fun with Debbie in the storeroom to shut up the principal. He could've kissed his wife in front of the boss to assert himself and send him the signal that he's not someone to be sidelined or disrespected. I don't really want the usual cuckold stuff in the path like getting a lame handjob while she tells you how she sucked off her boss but now she's too tired to give you a blowjob. I think both paths should be kept separate.
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Enjoying the uniqueness of the game so far, especially the dual perspectives. I do, however, have a concern that WMW is following a pure cuckold path even if one is on the sharing route. An example being the park scene where the husband is openly disrespected by both Karl and his wife. When the MC is given the option to actually stand up for himself, he's the villain.
The problems in the park begin with this conversation:
Karl: "<wife> is my star worker. Don't know where I'd be without her."
MC: "Yes - she's a star all right. Aren't you <wife>"
Wife: "Stop it, <MC>. He doesn't appreciate me."
"He doesn't appreciate me"??? Where did that come from? Somewhere I must have missed 5-6 minutes of the conversation. Ignoring the fact this response makes absolutely no sense, what wife is going to say this to her boss, whom she is clearly attracted to, with her husband sitting adjacent unless she has very little respect for either the MC or their marriage.
There's a reason why Deliverance is very successful on the Sharing Route. Husband and wife are constantly playing the part of a very loving, caring couple; always taking the other's feelings into consideration. The wife always shows her commitment and respect for both her husband and their marriage. Sharing only takes place if both partners consent. Arguably, a marriage involved with sharing partners will only work if the husband and wife have a very strong relationship.
Contrary to this, WMW appears to be setting up the opposite with the MC regarded purely as an object of derision.
The problems in the park begin with this conversation:
Karl: "<wife> is my star worker. Don't know where I'd be without her."
MC: "Yes - she's a star all right. Aren't you <wife>"
Wife: "Stop it, <MC>. He doesn't appreciate me."
"He doesn't appreciate me"??? Where did that come from? Somewhere I must have missed 5-6 minutes of the conversation. Ignoring the fact this response makes absolutely no sense, what wife is going to say this to her boss, whom she is clearly attracted to, with her husband sitting adjacent unless she has very little respect for either the MC or their marriage.
There's a reason why Deliverance is very successful on the Sharing Route. Husband and wife are constantly playing the part of a very loving, caring couple; always taking the other's feelings into consideration. The wife always shows her commitment and respect for both her husband and their marriage. Sharing only takes place if both partners consent. Arguably, a marriage involved with sharing partners will only work if the husband and wife have a very strong relationship.
Contrary to this, WMW appears to be setting up the opposite with the MC regarded purely as an object of derision.
- Jun 1, 2018
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I think you'v misunderstood the tone of the conversation. It's a joke - by the wife, a little dig - for fun. It isn't meant by her to be insulting - she's just saying it in a response to the previous comment by her husband. I agree though - it's hard to get intonation in a text game.
The response to the flirt is meant as a judgement of character - perhaps a show of confidence in his wife. The fact that he perhaps overreacts may indicate a lack of same. Of course, you could argue that her boss was just being nice - and the flirting was simply in his mind? You could react in a measured way should you choose to - and the response would have been completely different.
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The MMC certainly has his problems, and he can be on the receiving end of some flak, especially at work - but no-one said that you had to play him like that. You can be loving and caring should you choose to and your wife will be significantly less snarky. If you read the Developer Notes, it'll show that you can be nice, ignore Debbie, and act in a way to maintain your Love and Respect scores - and your wife will love you for it. The Share route does not rely on a drop of Respect as the Cuckold and Cheat routes do.
I'm not sure if you're suggesting that the game is too dark - that it forbodes an ill end. If you are, I'd disagree - there's no reason to expect that to be the case - unless you want to make it that way of course. Its just if you do things that might have a consequence - they might have a consequence
. Personally I'd still do them though. The tone I set in this game is intentional - I wanted to reflect a real couple (not all couples) - one which is tired, a bit fed up and a little weighed down. It doesn't mean that it will stay that way for them.We all have our own preferences as to how this game should be of course, I get a lot of comments suggesting different things I could do, which might make it better for them. But what might please one player would not please another - so I just have to follow my own path. Saying that, I'm always happy to listen - I can always do with plot inspiration.
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Oh I didn't chose the less loving options to make the wife mad, just that if he's ready to agree to everything she has to say, watch her tv program, always put her first, it would make sense if she agreed to switch positions or suck him off.The MMC certainly has his problems, and he can be on the receiving en of some flak, especially at work - but no-one said that you had to play him like that. You can be loving and caring should you choose to and your wife will be significantly less snarky. If you read the Developer Notes, it'll show that you can be nice, ignore Debbie, and act in a way to maintain your Love and Respect scores - and your wife will love you for it. The Share route does not rely on a drop of Respect as the Cuckold and Cheat routes do.
I'm not sure if you're suggesting that the game is too dark - that it forbodes and ill end. If you are, I'd disagree - there's no reason to expect that to be the case - unless you want to make it that way of course. Its just if you do things that might have a consequence - they might have a consequence
We all have our own preferences as to how this game should be of course, I get a lot of comments suggesting different things I could do, which might make it better for them. But what might please one player would not please another - so I just have to follow my own path. Saying that, I'm always happy to listen - I can always do with plot inspiration.
I didn't mean to tell you how to make your game, just thought I'd share my thoughts. I don't mind consequences but if pursuing another character in the game is meant to have consequences when the wife is free to do as she pleases then I'm not sure it would be enjoyable. I'm not saying it's too dark but I just don't like characters who are disrespectful like that store clerk or the boss. Maybe it's just a wrong first impression and the boss wasn't trying to mess with him but these little alpha male sigma male mind games aren't my cup of tea. I thought the guys would be really thankful for letting them have fun with the MC's wife, that's all.
My personal preference, which is not indicative of what everyone wants, is to play a guy who's having fun sharing his wife and having fun with other women along the way with his wife's approval, maybe even a married woman. I do hope we get to put the principal in her place lol. Can't wait to see what you have in store for us. Cheers!
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I like this interaction - and I genuinely find it very complimentary that you and others are spending their time playing my game. Of course, it really is in early days and I promise you that the sharing end of things will be a lot more positive that you may think from the early releases. I can't guarantee that the characters will always progress the way you'd prefer, but I've taken your views on board and do listen.
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Of course I'd spend my time, it's a really well made game!. You're really talented and passionate and it shows. It's okay if it doesn't end up according to my preferences but I'm sure those who like that version will enjoy it very much. I'm satisfied if they both have a lot of sex during and/or after she's shared and the MC gets to have fun with other women like the science teacher's wife, Debbie, the takeout girl, the receptionist and others. No drama no rude little shits, just a loving close relationship. If he knocks up the lovely wife along with a couple other beauties, it'd be the perfect end! I will be contacting our reptilian overlords if you don't include the MC cuckolding and dominating another couple though so please beware.
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Hmmm its interesting that we have decision that determine love/respect but we start the game b y choosing our path cuck/share/cheat - you'd think that you'd either flat choose the path or the path would be based on her love/respect for you. Curious to see how these variables play into it.
It's nice to see an author re-use the same renders for the different paths but have different well written dialogue. I'm sure it saves them a ton of time making updates but still gives a sense of significance for your choices (even though they had 99% overlapping renders the cheating/sharing route felt vastly different). it seems like ab ad rabbit hole for authors to make different routes diverge too much.
And it's nice for an NTR game to have the MC have a borderline average dick. So much of the VN genre is horecock that NTR games tend to go the opposite and make the MC have a babycock that it was nice to see something normalish ( though I'm sure the cuck route includes penis size humiliation but thats not my thing so I'll stick to cheating/sharing routes).
So so refreshing to have what is almost a dual protagonist set-up seeing the wifes perspective at the end of the day. Looking forward to seeing more updates!
My only problem is the dialogue choices can sometimes be really extreme. Like when the dickhead boss meets you in the park. There are ways to confront him flirting with your wife and being dis-respectful without being an ass and embarrassing her but it seems like your 2 choices are cuck v hurr durr chad alpha male which as others have said don't jive well with a sharing route. Hopefully a sharing route will give the MC some say into who they mutually bring into the bedroom cause the boss seems prime for the cheating/cuck route but sure as shit not the sharing route.
It's nice to see an author re-use the same renders for the different paths but have different well written dialogue. I'm sure it saves them a ton of time making updates but still gives a sense of significance for your choices (even though they had 99% overlapping renders the cheating/sharing route felt vastly different). it seems like ab ad rabbit hole for authors to make different routes diverge too much.
And it's nice for an NTR game to have the MC have a borderline average dick. So much of the VN genre is horecock that NTR games tend to go the opposite and make the MC have a babycock that it was nice to see something normalish ( though I'm sure the cuck route includes penis size humiliation but thats not my thing so I'll stick to cheating/sharing routes).
So so refreshing to have what is almost a dual protagonist set-up seeing the wifes perspective at the end of the day. Looking forward to seeing more updates!
My only problem is the dialogue choices can sometimes be really extreme. Like when the dickhead boss meets you in the park. There are ways to confront him flirting with your wife and being dis-respectful without being an ass and embarrassing her but it seems like your 2 choices are cuck v hurr durr chad alpha male which as others have said don't jive well with a sharing route. Hopefully a sharing route will give the MC some say into who they mutually bring into the bedroom cause the boss seems prime for the cheating/cuck route but sure as shit not the sharing route.
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Hi - nice to hear from you and thanks for your compliments re my game. So...
I incorporated the variables to make the route towards the kink more realistic (-ish). Just because you might want to be a cuck, or cheated on etc - it doesn't happen automatically in life (the story would have to just begin there from the start with no set up / backstory etc) - so these stats allow you to construct a situation whereupon it your wish becomes true. You can pace it how you like, and act the way you like - to a certain extent anyway. That's the theory - you'll always get there though!
I agree on the paths and reusing art for all - it was always my plan and without it, it would just be impossible, and the whole thing would implode (and peeps would never see all the art anyway if they followed certain routes). Yep - an average cock for an average guy - that's what I say. No heroes here .
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Re the dialogue choices - they can be stark, but again,for every choice I build in there's a whole path of dialogue to write - so I have to limit it. This matters especially further down the line when you have to consider - did the character do this two releases ago - if they did, this needs to happen. But if they chose this - then this needs to happen, and again and again. And then you have to incorporate all these decisions in your next option set too. The story can end up like a bowl of spaghetti - especially if they are important decisions, such as flirting/sleeping with Debbie - or ignoring her completely - every variable needs to be accounted for in the coding.
Hope this explains what I'm about - and clarifies my reasoning. Thanks again.
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Afternoon folks,
Hope we're all well and enjoying your weekend. Just to let you know that I'm still hard at work bringing Release 4.0 to life. I've been working mainly on club scenes, shopping scenes and am about to start a lewd scene between our two main characters - sort of a going away present for your main character from wifey.
Once that's bashed in, then we're off with the kids to camp. While we're here we'll have the opportunity to get closer to Debbie (very much so), as well as delve into the saucier side of James and Stella's relationship.
I'm also posting our polls for our anniversary renders this evening - so we'll see how the votes go. There'll be a bespoke scene designed and rendered for each of the three paths. All will have a selection of male and female characters from the story., so you can choose your favourites. You're welcome to choose the same characters for each of them, or to vary your selections depending on how you would like to see each path casted. Gold and above Patrons can vote in these polls, but renders will be posted to all Patrons.
In terms of release dates, I see 4.0 being released in about two weeks from now, which should hold with our tradition of the x.0 releases coming out 5 weeks or thereabout after a x.1 episode.
I hope everybody is doing well - feel free to ask anything you want about your game and where it's heading.
IM
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... 'sort of a going away present' ... and what if that present isn't unwrapped? Oh dear, and then hubby's away... cue (my) palpatations ...
Mr Mink, I'm not looking for an answer/confirmation, I am just sharing my enjoyment of the question, and I thank you for that.
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