What trope are you tired of seeing in adult games?

[Succubus Hunter]

The troupe of rape-ravishment being just a thing that happens. I'm not saying you can't defile a character but it should be referenced before and after (For example through teasing) rather than being treated like a handshake.

I am also tired of seeing lo*i and Sho*a thrown into so many games. If it absolutely MUST be in there, at the very least there should be an option to toggle it off like scat and other more extreme fetishes.

 

[TheHighSpire]

I don't like the 3d games particularly much and have a played a lot of 2d / Rpgm etc, so my answers are probably a bit colored by that. And as some person said in this thread: "all these tropes are also present in some of the most popular games". Sure, it's not a black/white or zero sum game. There are shades to it, and I can overlook weird corruption and so on if it isn't completely stupid. But it depends on how stupid it is.

• Camera angles: Yes, it is an adult game, but seriously I can actually stay interested without constantly having the camera looking straight up into the skirts of nearly all the women..

• Blackmailing should be done right: Especially Japanese games often have a ridiculously thin plot, to the point where it's not even funny. "oh, I caught you masturbating / doing something embarrassing - that is totally illegal here. Now you must have sex with me and you cannot decline." Like, nobody would ever actually agree to it. If that, as a dev, is the best plot you can come up with, then maybe you should consider hiring somebody to do the story for you.

• Weak story: Not 100% of all encounters should be about sex. Having a coherent story means that the sexual encounters are much more meaningful and that you want to create closer relations to those characters. I would also like to do some quests which can move the general plot without all the time having to give blow jobs left and right to get info..

• Everybody wants to fuck the Virgin MC: Can we please put the final nail into the coffin of "I'm a pure virgin and literally every single man I meet wants to bone me immediately". It's boring and over used. Yes, some people should want to exploit you if they are given the chance, but not everybody should be like that.

• Believable body-proportions? I'm bored to death of the huge balloon boobs that would put the
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  to shame. The same goes for the gigantic horse-cocks that the MC often have. I simply don't find it interesting, it even almost puts me out the mood to play the game. Why can't I have some normal or at the very least varied sized boobs? Some big (no balloon), some small and so on. The same goes about butts - actually just any body part.

• "Woah huge cock! Now I forgive you": It's boring and unoriginal. Nothing works like that and you aren't immediately let off the hook just because you apparently have a massive horse-cock.

• Clothing that makes sense: This one might just be me, but I'm kinda bored by the clothing that the MC often have. It's like the devs out there somehow think that we just can't stay interested if the girls / MC don't wear very revealing clothing. And that is regardless of the setting: why would you want to go and hunt monsters, that you know can rape you, in a fucking skirt and push up bra?? Why? I like games where the MC actually dress according to the setting. Like, don't wear a dress on the battlefield. Claire's Quest is a good example of an MC that wear believable clothing.

• Not everybody should want to have sex with you: please, seriously create some that are hard to get and others that are impossible to get. Nobody can walk around and sleep with every single person they meet. Furthermore, what is the challenge if it is that easy? Have some people that will refuse you and other people where you need to put in some effort.

• The no-choice choice: This is one of the worst tropes out there: The "choice" of either sleep with this or that character = CG scene and refuse = nothing happens / no CG scene. Add some kind of consequence of either doing it / not doing it. Or other choices which practically have no effect or where your choice is taken away from you.

• Add some commonsense. Would you, your weirdest friend or most other people take the action that the MC now face - would it be proposed, does it make sense in that world? No? Then maybe you need to look at where the plot is going.

• Corruption games are fine, but I often see the fallacy of rising Corruption = now I'll gladly fuck that Horse / monster / I love getting fondled by strangers/ etc. No.. Becoming more corrupt or lewd does not necessarily mean that you now want to fuck everything. It just means that you are more likely to consider doing stuff that most people might find weird.

• Grinding, fucking stop it. It's often a waste of time and games that have it usually makes you want to just quit. There is really nothing fun in grinding and it should be kept to an absolute minimum. Yet, some games still have hours of useless grinding that only serves to make the MC stronger without really moving the plot. This is not restricted to games with combat, but also those where the MC needs money / goes to work/ etc. Furthermore, the engagements are simply too repetitive to be interesting.

• Incest stuff. Honestly, the porn industry and games are filled with that stuff. I don't understand the appeal. The trope, however, is really boring and I've yet to find a game where it's actually interesting. Just let me play that nice dad/uncle or whatever and really help her through without doing weird shit, lol.

• Highschool /island /whatever of only girls: Naturally you are the only man, and everybody will crave you.. I'm just not into that kind of story. It's too unbelievable and weak. I honestly feel like those games are made for extremely insecure people who really cannot stand any competition. So the only option is to remove any potential love interests that the girls could ever have - past, present and future.

I'm repeating myself now, so I'll end it here.

I think many devs out there who create these games perhaps have a hard envisioning a strong story that people can get vested in. Many of those should try and seek out people who are good at telling/writing stories and have them create it. Naturally with the help of the dev to steer it into the right direction. That way you can have plots that aren't too weak or meaningless while also still having an adult game. To build on that, the adult content should be a part of the game - perhaps even a large part of the game. But if it is all the game, then you risk that the game has some weird game play to make it all add up.

 

[chainedpanda]

Inconsistencies in stories, nothing throws me off worse than this. I can handle the odd inconsistency here or there, or even a completely random out of third field moment. I played a game a while back and it still rubs me raw now. The MC was in a coma for several months after a car crash which killed his father. When he was released from the hospital, no one came to pick him up. The only one who really visited him was his younger sister.

When he returns home, his mother was like "Oh, you're here, I bought you a cell phone, off to work now bye!" and she asks you to wake up your older sister who is sleeping nude. She finds out you tried to wake her up nude, and walks in on you jerking it in the bathroom only to blackmail you. Bitch, your father just died, and he was in a coma, chill.

Another problem I have is the slutty character archetype. While I don't believe every character has to be the sweet, innocent virgin type, but this very type is often thrown in with the slutty best friend, family member, whatever, and instead of allowing the relationships/characters to grow in a meaningful way, here comes some character to force the story along, making everything that lead up to that moment feel rather irrelevant. There are other examples of this happening without the use of the slutty character, but it feels like this is the go-to answer for many devs.

Lastly, I know it's a porn game. Yet, not everything needs to be sexual. I don't need a sex scene or peep scene every five minutes. Yes, it's a porn game, and most of your audience want the porn. Yet, let's face it, are you popping a boner every single time a protagonist peeps on his mom in the shower? A lot of the time I find myself just trying to click away these kinds of things. I want the porn, yet I don't need it at the cost of the game/story.

 

[sensepirational]

MCs who possess a mind-numbingly boring and incessantly excessive inner monologue, especially when they drone on and on about nothing of much significance. Shut the fuck up. Please. You're wearing out my spacebar. We, as the player, do not need to hear every random banal thought that comes into the MC's head. More show, less tell. And you really, really do not need to regurgitate how beautiful every woman is in the game every time we see them, especially after interacting with them on a regular basis. We as players have eyes. Shocking, I know. Stop telling us things that can be communicated and conveyed through renders and music.

OTOH... When the MC visibly looks like the author put as little possible work into their character design as possible. It's called the MAIN CHARACTER for a reason. Start treating them like such. Don't just phone them in. And it's not just about the visual assets, either. Give them some actual personality beyond wanting to fuck everyone. Give them a bit of depth. Make them an actual character.

 

[K.T.L.]

why would you want to go and hunt monsters, that you know can rape you, in a fucking skirt and push up bra??

First rule of gaming: The effectiveness of female armour is inversely proportional to the amount of skin it covers.

 

[Istreakilaz]

I.. thought this thread would have gone on longer by now, but just to make a returning point,
Even if it's not at all perfect, even if it has some really bad flaws at the starting titles....
The Rance Series is definitely one of the go to game series that every h-game dev should take notes from, even just a little bit.

Because the very most important thing that every dev needs to understand, and that is:
There are two types of H-Games.
The One-off shots.
Add the Lasting Impact ones.

The former are just wank/squirt material. and honestly, it doesn't matter if it's trash, only as long as it's hot.
But if you're going for the latter, then you HAVE to remember...
It's not the H-scenes that drives the whole cake appeal, but the game itself. The H-Scenes are just the cake's frosting.

Funnily enough, that particular series accomplishes both, and is undoubtedly the most legendary series to ever grace this genre. Like, geez. what a development. from mediocrely good to amazingly badass in the span of just 3 games (from Rance III to 5D). Take notes, devs!

 

[tobypine2]

The one I see so very often, in description and then pass on the game is kids.
Ok, not 12 year olds, but:

the MC is 18-20 and just met his mom/sister/childhood girl friend/cousin after years.
Every sister/childhood girl friend/roommate/cousin is either 18 and virgin or 25 and slept with half the town.
MC has the huge cock and is an instant pro at every position, stamina of a horse and speed gallons of semen over every lay he has

Let an MC, if male, be older, have experience. Or have to learn experience. Get blue balled cause he did something wrong. Misfire a time or two (I’d love a good laugh when not expecting it time to time)

Let the females in his life not be so damn eager, or not really impressed with his tool.

 

[Hybris]

Really the only trope I'm tired of seeing is the step family form of incest. Everyone knows its a farce but if you are going to do incest then make a patch so you can appease the censors and let gamers have access to the full content of your intended game. Trying to half bake it and pass it as incest isn't going to cut it these days assuming it ever did in the first place.

 

[Asia Argento]

DAZ characters. While they provide a decent placeholder for most games, every other option including Illusion titles and even games using MS Paint drawings blow it out of the water.

 

[lancelotdulak]

Ok so after my last comment here.. SOOO many great posts. Honestly every dev should read this thread.
I think the most important thing is story really. Far more than even graphics (though great graphics help a LOT!!). Good writing matters. Realistic writing maters. Believable plots matter. Believable humans matter. Also stop dressing every female in your game like a prostitute... that's what's wrong with porn (they.. literally are .. prostitutes and it shows.. and its' boring).
Ill go back to making my 1000th scene now

 

[bozoplace]

Well I do NOT have a massive DICK, Not even large

So be realistic, at least on a few characters so we don't get beaten by a fictional character

 

[HerbertIronsides]

Really the only trope I'm tired of seeing is the step family form of incest. Everyone knows its a farce but if you are going to do incest then make a patch so you can appease the censors and let gamers have access to the full content of your intended game. Trying to half bake it and pass it as incest isn't going to cut it these days assuming it ever did in the first place.

I don't understand the crazy amount and appeal of stepcest in regular porn. If you find the tabooness of incest hot than step stuff isnt incest and its not going to scratch your itch. If you don't like the stuff than your just going to ignore the dialogue or just don't watch. Whats the point of stepcept irl porn like who is it for?

 

[Ferghus]

I don't understand the crazy amount and appeal of stepcest in regular porn. If you find the tabooness of incest hot than step stuff isnt incest and its not going to scratch your itch. If you don't like the stuff than your just going to ignore the dialogue or just don't watch. Whats the point of stepcept irl porn like who is it for?

You could say that about regular incest porn. Personally, I like taboo shit, but the overwhelming majority of the "incest" genre doesn't feel like taboo. Supposed blood relatives are all too eager to fuck without any real hesitation. Like in real life, there's a risk you'd no longer have a family to come back to if shit went poorly. You'd have to be one stupid and desperate motherfucker to risk destroying a literal lifetime of bonds just because mom's wearing yoga pants today or sis is stuck in the dryer. And even if it worked out, you'd have to keep your relationship a secret. You'd have to lie about your relationship to family and strangers alike. You'd have to take measures to ensure that no one even suspects the truth. That fear and anxiety is exactly what makes it taboo. Nowadays, I have to turn to NTR porn to scratch that taboo itch. At least in NTR, they show some anxiety.
The other problem with most incest porn is that it's pretty cookie cutter. You always live in the same house as the person/people you want to fuck, mom always coddles the shit out of son, sis is always a slut and/or a bitchy asshole for some reason, and dad always seems to be missing. Don't you ever get bored of seeing the same shit? And despite always living and fucking in the same house, these assholes never seem to worry about being caught. If it's practically risk-free, then it's not taboo.
I think it's pretty telling about how prevalent stepcest is becoming. It's not so much that people hold stepcest in the same regard to incest, it's that the bar for incest has gotten so low that it might as well be stepcest. At least with stepcest, it's at the level of taboo it's supposed to be.

Edit: I forgot halfway through that you mentioned irl porn. It's the same shit though. It doesn't feel taboo.

 

[pharal]

You could say that about regular incest porn. Personally, I like taboo shit, but the overwhelming majority of the "incest" genre doesn't feel like taboo. Supposed blood relatives are all too eager to fuck without any real hesitation. Like in real life, there's a risk you'd no longer have a family to come back to if shit went poorly. You'd have to be one stupid and desperate motherfucker to risk destroying a literal lifetime of bonds just because mom's wearing yoga pants today or sis is stuck in the dryer. And even if it worked out, you'd have to keep your relationship a secret. You'd have to lie about your relationship to family and strangers alike. You'd have to take measures to ensure that no one even suspects the truth. That fear and anxiety is exactly what makes it taboo. Nowadays, I have to turn to NTR porn to scratch that taboo itch. At least in NTR, they show some anxiety.
The other problem with most incest porn is that it's pretty cookie cutter. You always live in the same house as the person/people you want to fuck, mom always coddles the shit out of son, sis is always a slut and/or a bitchy asshole for some reason, and dad always seems to be missing. Don't you ever get bored of seeing the same shit? And despite always living and fucking in the same house, these assholes never seem to worry about being caught. If it's practically risk-free, then it's not taboo.
I think it's pretty telling about how prevalent stepcest is becoming. It's not so much that people hold stepcest in the same regard to incest, it's that the bar for incest has gotten so low that it might as well be stepcest. At least with stepcest, it's at the level of taboo it's supposed to be.

Edit: I forgot halfway through that you mentioned irl porn. It's the same shit though. It doesn't feel taboo.

This is precisely the point of taboo genres in the first place, I feel. I get disappointed whenever something taboo turns out to not be in the end, because it doesn't matter that your sister wakes up with you molesting her at night... she won't tell anyone anyway or dear old mom will just tell her "Boys will be boys" or some such.
I think a lot of these games here misunderstand the fundamental drive of some genres/fetishes such as incest, corruption, cheating, ntr and more.
I know the story of most games here already: "Female character is embarrassed to tell her parents about what her brother did. She finally confides in her best (female) friend in school and asks what to do? Female friend answers "Oh you fuck your brother? I fuck my brother too... it's cool" or "He is hot, so it is okay" or "How was it? You are soooo brave, because I always wanted to fuck my father but never dared".
I do not see much point in any of the taboo genres if it is not taboo! Don't just tell us how much trouble MC is going to be in if discovered, but show it. Don't just ignore consequences by using the same excuse every time ("oh I hit my toe against the table") while the loud slapping sounds should be obvious in the background.
Don't have everyone in the crowd go "Oh he is fingering his sister and mother at the same time... Cool!".
If you want to do these things, there needs to be a plausible explanation as to why it is accepted or why everyone in the city knows about it except the father and not just that every single man and woman are horny bastards who secretly want to do this.

 

[Hybris]

stuff like fantasy/medieval/rpg/giant goblin fucking a princess or futuristic/cyberpunk stuff. I prefer real life environments

I will admit that medieval settings remind me of my time in Crusader Kings II/III except instead of simple "I want to bang my hot sister." its more "I need to breed the perfect God-King so I can conquer all of Christondom and then the world."

 

[Succubus Hunter]

In these games, women dress LESS depraved than in real life.
Crawl out of the basement to the nearest mall once

This is litterally the night before Xmas, how are women dressing that provokatively when it's colder than Nora Freeze?

 

[Succubus Hunter]

You never seen women's asses in sexy jeans, jeggings, leggings, high boots and short jackets in winter?

The only thing sexy out of all of those are leggings and those are too cold for most women to wear in the winter.

 

[Succubus Hunter]

Orly ? Jeans same leggins. Same form, another color. Ass form absolutely identical

I knew a guy who had a jeans fetish but most people I know don't consider them sexy. Leggings are a lot thinner and they show panty lines.

 

[pharal]

I forgot a trope that I actually hate: When you give people or places obvious stupid sex names.
Examples that I made up:
Bimbotown
Fuckston
Pussystan

Miss. Beavereater
Harry Balls
Mrs. Bigboobs
Cani Succ

those might not be great examples, but I didn't want to hit any specific games, though I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are used. My point is that is is so bad to read and comes off as written by a 12 year old snickering all the way through coming up with them.
Even if one wants to make a funny and un-serious game and plot, it undermines that too by immediately undercutting any sort of inventiveness or humor that the author might have intended, right from the beginning.
There are a very few cases where it can be used in moderation, but in general I would prefer not to see it at all.

In short: IMO there is no upside in any game or genre to doing this.

 

[CoryBaxter]

In RPG Maker games, making it where removing armor doesn't remove clothing or armor from the characters. Usually in these games, you have to undress by unlocking the option in some obscure method or quest late in the game. Sometimes I just want to put my characters in embarrassing situations, alright?