when did ntr became so popular?

[Icarus Media]

Both of us have made hundreds of thousands of people orgasm. You can't escape reality.

True, although I'm at a loss at to how to put that on a CV/Resume.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

True, although I'm at a loss at to how to put that on a CV/Resume.

"Coom Lord" might help you get a job at Wal-mart?

 

[Icarus Media]

"Coom Lord" might help you get a job at Wal-mart?

Or certain Islands...

 

[seifukulover]

Yes...because those that read Lady Chatterley's Lover were brain addled desensitized coomer brains from all that pornography back then right?

Here's a thought I'll toss to people, just throw it around your heads a little, what if the person that doesn't immerse and realises it's an external story to oneself is in fact, in reverse of your statement, the one that is not degenerated? What if the person that immerses is so weak and lacking in self esteem that they must find solace and identification with the attributes and qualities of a fictional person? What if their rational and intellectual faculties are so lacking that they cannot distinguish between themselves and the person they play as? And in so degenerate a mind, they cannot even muster the small modicum of self control but MUST, i.e. they will not, and indeed CANNOT, leave such alone but must 'attack' or 'comment' or fail to understand any concept that there are people that can split the two apart and can enjoy a story or other NTR media simply for the events that happen to the characters without identifying as any?

Do we have any evidence for the theory? Why the very numerous threads that practically scream 'REEEEEEEEE!!!!' or the various people that run off from it in fictional media, as if the very thing doesn't happen in reality either (cognitive dissonance is a rather amusing thing is it not?), now you might feel I'm attacking or getting personal but actually i'm answering your comment generally and not specifically applying it to you, more so anyone reading, especially those reading who instantly feel their hackles rise, stop there, ask yourself why, why that is if you are the reader that right now feel impugned and now have an overwhelming urge to reply, where does that feeling come from? Why? Was it me and what I said? Other have read the same post and have said nothing or felt not as you do, is it my words or the concept of NTR or something more internal to yourself?

It seems to me much like those who have to beat up nerds, geeks, intellectuals at school, not because they don't understand what they are doing is hurtful and wrong, but because it makes them feel like they are still in control, need control, against those who possess a quality that not only do they not understand, but frightens their worldview to such an extent they are capable of little else but to lash out. It's a tale as old as time that those that understand not a thing, can feel an uncontrollable need to attack and vindicate themselves against a perceived enemy in their mind when encountering it, yet it's not just the lack of understanding, but I feel personally it's that of a lack of emotional and mental development, for I presuppose there are people that, like myself, will never understand Scat, or Urine, or Farts, yet...I feel no compulsion to say anything but to leave them be, I have found others that do not like NTR, but they seem to possess a quality or attribute others don't because they are also content to leave such alone.

It would seem to me then upon the analysis of what I've encountered here over the years, that even in those that do not like NTR, one will happily leave it alone and get on with their vision and pursuit, the other seems to suffer shackles upon their hands and minds, seemingly not just unwilling to rationalise and develop emotional fortitude, but in contradistinction, are not just unwilling but unable to.

I've found such even outside of the site too, those who can rationally debate, not take personally, and distinguish themselves by externalizing from their internal the various stimuli they encounter, and those of whom simply act like emotional babies or as savage animal and scream, shout, throw tantrums, insults, resort very quickly to violence. In short, I don't think the issue is with the object but the subject, i.e the issue isn't with NTR or anything else, but the type of person that encounters it.

This is just a supposition, don't take my words as golden, investigate and see if they resonate with you (the wider audience reading this).

"What if non-NTR people just have weaker minds than us superior coomers?"
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you say stuff like that? I know you're a comedian, but be serious for once.

 

[Febui]

There is a book on my bookshelf called 'Sex At Dawn' that argues that monogamy is not the natural state for human beings

This would ruin NTR if true, it'd not be exciting at all...

 

[Jaike]

True, although I'm at a loss at to how to put that on a CV/Resume.

Don't put it on a CV... save it for the letter:

"I love to help people unleash their full potential."

Yes...because those that read Lady Chatterley's Lover were brain addled desensitized coomer brains from all that pornography back then right?

Here's a thought I'll toss to people, just throw it around your heads a little, what if the person that doesn't immerse and realises it's an external story to oneself is in fact, in reverse of your statement, the one that is not degenerated? What if the person that immerses is so weak and lacking in self esteem that they must find solace and identification with the attributes and qualities of a fictional person? What if their rational and intellectual faculties are so lacking that they cannot distinguish between themselves and the person they play as? And in so degenerate a mind, they cannot even muster the small modicum of self control but MUST, i.e. they will not, and indeed CANNOT, leave such alone but must 'attack' or 'comment' or fail to understand any concept that there are people that can split the two apart and can enjoy a story or other NTR media simply for the events that happen to the characters without identifying as any?

Do we have any evidence for the theory? Why the very numerous threads that practically scream 'REEEEEEEEE!!!!' or the various people that run off from it in fictional media, as if the very thing doesn't happen in reality either (cognitive dissonance is a rather amusing thing is it not?), now you might feel I'm attacking or getting personal but actually i'm answering your comment generally and not specifically applying it to you, more so anyone reading, especially those reading who instantly feel their hackles rise, stop there, ask yourself why, why that is if you are the reader that right now feel impugned and now have an overwhelming urge to reply, where does that feeling come from? Why? Was it me and what I said? Other have read the same post and have said nothing or felt not as you do, is it my words or the concept of NTR or something more internal to yourself?

It seems to me much like those who have to beat up nerds, geeks, intellectuals at school, not because they don't understand what they are doing is hurtful and wrong, but because it makes them feel like they are still in control, need control, against those who possess a quality that not only do they not understand, but frightens their worldview to such an extent they are capable of little else but to lash out. It's a tale as old as time that those that understand not a thing, can feel an uncontrollable need to attack and vindicate themselves against a perceived enemy in their mind when encountering it, yet it's not just the lack of understanding, but I feel personally it's that of a lack of emotional and mental development, for I presuppose there are people that, like myself, will never understand Scat, or Urine, or Farts, yet...I feel no compulsion to say anything but to leave them be, I have found others that do not like NTR, but they seem to possess a quality or attribute others don't because they are also content to leave such alone.

It would seem to me then upon the analysis of what I've encountered here over the years, that even in those that do not like NTR, one will happily leave it alone and get on with their vision and pursuit, the other seems to suffer shackles upon their hands and minds, seemingly not just unwilling to rationalise and develop emotional fortitude, but in contradistinction, are not just unwilling but unable to.

I've found such even outside of the site too, those who can rationally debate, not take personally, and distinguish themselves by externalizing from their internal the various stimuli they encounter, and those of whom simply act like emotional babies or as savage animal and scream, shout, throw tantrums, insults, resort very quickly to violence. In short, I don't think the issue is with the object but the subject, i.e the issue isn't with NTR or anything else, but the type of person that encounters it.

This is just a supposition, don't take my words as golden, investigate and see if they resonate with you (the wider audience reading this).

You do realise OP'll prolly beg the mods to remove this discussion at some point, no?

 

[Evangelion-01]

Yes...because those that read Lady Chatterley's Lover were brain addled desensitized coomer brains from all that pornography back then right?

Here's a thought I'll toss to people, just throw it around your heads a little, what if the person that doesn't immerse and realises it's an external story to oneself is in fact, in reverse of your statement, the one that is not degenerated? What if the person that immerses is so weak and lacking in self esteem that they must find solace and identification with the attributes and qualities of a fictional person? What if their rational and intellectual faculties are so lacking that they cannot distinguish between themselves and the person they play as? And in so degenerate a mind, they cannot even muster the small modicum of self control but MUST, i.e. they will not, and indeed CANNOT, leave such alone but must 'attack' or 'comment' or fail to understand any concept that there are people that can split the two apart and can enjoy a story or other NTR media simply for the events that happen to the characters without identifying as any?

Do we have any evidence for the theory? Why the very numerous threads that practically scream 'REEEEEEEEE!!!!' or the various people that run off from it in fictional media, as if the very thing doesn't happen in reality either (cognitive dissonance is a rather amusing thing is it not?), now you might feel I'm attacking or getting personal but actually i'm answering your comment generally and not specifically applying it to you, more so anyone reading, especially those reading who instantly feel their hackles rise, stop there, ask yourself why, why that is if you are the reader that right now feel impugned and now have an overwhelming urge to reply, where does that feeling come from? Why? Was it me and what I said? Other have read the same post and have said nothing or felt not as you do, is it my words or the concept of NTR or something more internal to yourself?

It seems to me much like those who have to beat up nerds, geeks, intellectuals at school, not because they don't understand what they are doing is hurtful and wrong, but because it makes them feel like they are still in control, need control, against those who possess a quality that not only do they not understand, but frightens their worldview to such an extent they are capable of little else but to lash out. It's a tale as old as time that those that understand not a thing, can feel an uncontrollable need to attack and vindicate themselves against a perceived enemy in their mind when encountering it, yet it's not just the lack of understanding, but I feel personally it's that of a lack of emotional and mental development, for I presuppose there are people that, like myself, will never understand Scat, or Urine, or Farts, yet...I feel no compulsion to say anything but to leave them be, I have found others that do not like NTR, but they seem to possess a quality or attribute others don't because they are also content to leave such alone.

It would seem to me then upon the analysis of what I've encountered here over the years, that even in those that do not like NTR, one will happily leave it alone and get on with their vision and pursuit, the other seems to suffer shackles upon their hands and minds, seemingly not just unwilling to rationalise and develop emotional fortitude, but in contradistinction, are not just unwilling but unable to.

I've found such even outside of the site too, those who can rationally debate, not take personally, and distinguish themselves by externalizing from their internal the various stimuli they encounter, and those of whom simply act like emotional babies or as savage animal and scream, shout, throw tantrums, insults, resort very quickly to violence. In short, I don't think the issue is with the object but the subject, i.e the issue isn't with NTR or anything else, but the type of person that encounters it.

This is just a supposition, don't take my words as golden, investigate and see if they resonate with you (the wider audience reading this).

The Problem I see here is that you over generalize... you can't put people in drawers without inviting huge gaps allowing mistakes and attack angles.
I get yoour idea and if you simply put it on an idea rather on human minds it seems valid, but the way you phrased this makes it vurnable to all kinds of attack... yet I gues the quote you used wasn't any better.

Games that had their thread created or updated:
During the 365 last days: Netorare 753 Harem 1,322 (175.5%)
During the 180 last days: Netorare 525 Harem 953 (181.5%)
During the last 90 days: Netorare 386 Harem 657 (170.2%)

The ratio stay relatively stable...

Sure it's stable but the ratio is certainly much higher than 8% now isn't it?

That's not accurate. People have been thinking they see an increase, thinking there are too many and complaining about it long before then.

2017
https://f95zone.to/threads/why-do-people-like-ntr.3889/

2018
https://f95zone.to/threads/ntr-what-do-you-think.17747/
" Well i think if you look how many ntr games and else is bubbling up in the Internet and this Forum "

2019
https://f95zone.to/threads/really-ntr-is-the-new-trend-between-porn-games-adicts.30977/
"Or it's just a very persistent group of hardcore fans pushing for it?
Something like the Alt-Right of porn games? "

2019
https://f95zone.to/threads/is-ntr-a-virus-japan-failed-to-cure-or-contain.30671/
" This infection has spread to many games here on F95zone "

2020 (around the time of the first lockdowns - the first lock down was in wuhan china jan 23 2020)
https://f95zone.to/threads/growing-popularity-for-optional-ntr-games.60094/
" Now a days most of the famous games who were introduced as a non-ntr games, slowly introducing NTR content into the games. Or Vice-versa too (love route or vanilla are added later). I don't want to mention names, you can guess because they are many. "

Anytime there is something someone doesn't like, even 8% of it is too much. Also it seems the more they hate it the more they fixate on it, you could have 20 vanilla games and 2 NTR games per page and there will be a thread about the flood of NTR.



Also not accurate,

2017
https://f95zone.to/threads/ntr-netorare-cuckold-resources-discussion-development.2711/

2018
https://f95zone.to/threads/hi-fellow-ntr.10982/

2018
https://f95zone.to/threads/i-need-ntr.14162/

2019
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-glorious-ntr-cheating-thread-you-bet-your-ass-its-nsfw-_.27809/

2019
https://f95zone.to/threads/general-i-love-ntr-thread.23910/

etc.

As you can see there was already a substantial fanbase long before.

Consider me biased but by my own observation the ammount of older games (also low quality games) picked up dureing Corona, considering that most Vanilla games from 20 years and longer ago had already been shared here long before Corona I considered it noticable that NTR games from these times kept comeing when previously only newly developed games had that content.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Sure it's stable but the ratio is certainly much higher than 8% now isn't it?

It's actually a little impressive that the ratio is what it is, considering NTR is a very specific thing and Harem is a pretty broad category.

 

[hoochimama]

NTR (netorare) is only going to grow in popularity when it comes to porn games because it now sits as the most taboo story theme that isn't targeted by western financial censorship (unlike rape, incest and underage characters).

 

[Menefrego]

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Don't forget to replace “Love” with “NTR”...

NTR is all around us... there's nothing we can do about it...

:]

 

[Dr. Ronald Leopold]

statistically, better art style and bodies

 

[Icarus Media]

"What if non-NTR people just have weaker minds than us superior coomers?"
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you say stuff like that? I know you're a comedian, but be serious for once.

I was, but it makes you uncomfortable to consider it so you resort, like I said in my post, to name calling and attacking a strawman. My point of typology of people once again receiving a point in it's favour.

The argument I advance was not about NTR specifically and thus 'coomers' does not apply, it advances two types of people, here lets use a none NTR example:

A person wished to purchase a Whopper, but finds themselves in Mcdonalds (lets not pretend this doesn't happen and that the following 2 types of people don't exist(1)):

Person 1: "Oh, I've ended up at Mcdonalds somehow, I don't like Mcdonalds because I prefer Whoppers and Mcdonalds doesn't do them, I shall leave quietly and dignified, realising that while I don't like Mcdonalds there are customers here quietly eating and enjoying themselves, thus I am able to understand that others with preferences I do not understand exist and I have enough mental and emotional control not to raise a fuss, I shall either leave or ask for directions to Burger King so I can enjoy what I like in peace and leave others to." [Does the label 'coomer' apply at all here? Nope anyone sane can see it has nothing to do with wanking or ejaculation, so your name calling is null and void. Here we have a person that can distinguish themselves from others, knows they are not the centre of the world, is calm and collected, demonstrated emotional and mental control, personal accountability and an empathy towards others than enjoy something this person does not. But in your sentence this 'coomer' is somehow inferior to the type of person in 'person 2' below.]

Person 2: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T DO WHOPPERS!?" "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!" "REEEEEEE!!!!!" "I WANT TO SEE THE MANAGER!" "I'M TRIGGERED AND OFFENDED THAT YOU SELL BIG MACS WHEN I WANT A WHOPPER." [This person demonstrates lack of self control, lack of emotional control in throwing a tantrum or not getting what one wants, lack of mental acuity at realizing they are in the wrong place, lack of personal accountability in recognizing they are in the wrong place and going to the right place, lack of empathy and self centredness in not understanding others exist that hold different tastes. This person according to your own logic above is superior to the 'coomer' of your argument.]

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can show ample enough personal evidence that type 2 exists.

 

[SinisterPortal]

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Don't forget to replace “Love” with “NTR”...

NTR is all around us... there's nothing we can do about it...

:]

but NTR is not just cheating

 

[X Death]

 

[morphnet]

Consider me biased but by my own observation the ammount of older games (also low quality games) picked up dureing Corona, considering that most Vanilla games from 20 years and longer ago had already been shared here long before Corona I considered it noticable that NTR games from these times kept comeing when previously only newly developed games had that content.

I took bias into account, though I wasn't sure if it was personal bias or observational bias. If you look at some of those links there is a mix of old and new games but one to play close attention to (for the best context) is the 2017 "resources - discussion - development" thread.

You will see that the replies from 2017 include links to many other sites, anime-sharing, vndb, ohentai, torrents, hongfire etc.
This shows that in 2017 there was a substantial fanbase across the largest / best known sites already. It also means that those following it and those making games started long before 2017, if by 2017 they already had a large following because they didn't grow that large in just a year or so.

Also note that this site only allows english translated games, the sites linked in the lists allowed non translated games too. So even taking your bias into account the popularity of the genre is not accurately represented by the number of games available on F95, then or now.

Which brings us back to "ever since corona" being inaccurate.

 

[SinisterPortal]

I was, but it makes you uncomfortable to consider it so you resort, like I said in my post, to name calling and attacking a strawman. My point of typology of people once again receiving a point in it's favour.

The argument I advance was not about NTR specifically and thus 'coomers' does not apply, it advances two types of people, here lets use a none NTR example:

A person wished to purchase a Whopper, but finds themselves in Mcdonalds (lets not pretend this doesn't happen and that the following 2 types of people don't exist(1)):

Person 1: "Oh, I've ended up at Mcdonalds somehow, I don't like Mcdonalds because I prefer Whoppers and Mcdonalds doesn't do them, I shall leave quietly and dignified, realising that while I don't like Mcdonalds there are customers here quietly eating and enjoying themselves, thus I am able to understand that others with preferences I do not understand exist and I have enough mental and emotional control not to raise a fuss, I shall either leave or ask for directions to Burger King so I can enjoy what I like in peace and leave others to." [Does the label 'coomer' apply at all here? Nope anyone sane can see it has nothing to do with wanking or ejaculation, so your name calling is null and void. Here we have a person that can distinguish themselves from others, knows they are not the centre of the world, is calm and collected, demonstrated emotional and mental control, personal accountability and an empathy towards others than enjoy something this person does not. But in your sentence this 'coomer' is somehow inferior to the type of person in 'person 2' below.]

Person 2: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T DO WHOPPERS!?" "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!" "REEEEEEE!!!!!" "I WANT TO SEE THE MANAGER!" "I'M TRIGGERED AND OFFENDED THAT YOU SELL BIG MACS WHEN I WANT A WHOPPER." [This person demonstrates lack of self control, lack of emotional control in throwing a tantrum or not getting what one wants, lack of mental acuity at realizing they are in the wrong place, lack of personal accountability in recognizing they are in the wrong place and going to the right place, lack of empathy and self centredness in not understanding others exist that hold different tastes. This person according to your own logic above is superior to the 'coomer' of your argument.]

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can show ample enough personal evidence that type 2 exists.

Oh come on, so that was your point "erm erm leave ntr enjoyers alone erm". Lol for a comedian this is a rather boring take. No, Burger King is shit, I hate it and can't understand why people eat there. Same for NTR - it's extremely popular, it's not niche as scat or vore - these are minuscular compared to how many NTR games there are so certainly it's peculiar for others how these people manage to enjoy it. And lol you tried to make argument that it's not about self-inserting, but about "enjoying the story" - just LMAO, what story you enjoy there? A girl got blackmailed/raped/hypnotized by a guy with a big dick. Having sex with him she became addicted to it and can't enjoy sex with her boyfriend anymore, so she leaves him. I just described 90% of "stories" in NTR novels. Obviously people just goon to it, there's rarely anything realistic or deep about NTR stories - logic there is even less consistent than the notorious porn logic. Devs have to make the characters act totally illogically and irrationally to make NTR happen and continue.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I like stories where people in love enjoy having sex with each other and making kissy faces.

 

[morphnet]

NTR (netorare) is only going to grow in popularity when it comes to porn games because it now sits as the most taboo story theme that isn't targeted by western financial censorship (unlike rape, incest and underage characters).

That's inaccurate, MANY, MANY, MANY, netorare games involve rape and or non con, those are two of the standard tropes used.

 

[morphnet]

Devs have to make the characters act totally illogically and irrationally

I just described 90% of "stories"

 

[eaudecologne]

Dragonfly threads always hit different. He's the goat fr