hillside, jessica o neil,city of broken dream, my pleasure, savior, reunion are the ones i think about maybe deluca family and halfway house as well i forgot some its sure but ^^
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All of you are absolutely wrong just for 1 reason in all these games you seem to be the only male in existence Summers Gone, Where it all Began, City of Broken Dreamers..... The only game that somewhat portrays a real life scenario with good renders, fantastic story and the world doesn't just revolve around MC all bunched into one is BaDik and even that game fails at it but its truly the total package deal here. I hate NTR dont get me wrong but if were argueing on total package BaDik is King and 99.9 of every game fails at pointing out the fact that these women arent just sitting around waiting for MC to come say hello.
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so True it just kills the imersion for me, if I have a game where MC has the biggest dick is the King off the world and all females have nothing to do than bend over for MC or suck him off it just kills the imersion for me best example is being a dik great renders good story but the unrealistic college scenario kills the game for me personnel.Thats why I think that our red string and ocean games are so good, but the only think that I disagree is the game that you mention because it has good writting and renders but it is the exact same thing that you mention.
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can someone explain to me why Ocean's giving so much more priority to Summer's gone than WIAB?? I want to fap, not reading boring stories and being blue-balled to death 
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Because SG is an overall better game as things stand and it also makes more than twice the amount of money.can someone explain to me why Ocean's giving so much more priority to Summer's gone than WIAB?? I want to fap, not reading boring stories and being blue-balled to death
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It's not a priority issue. Ocean already say that each game is made in one PC and the development of the one game does not interfere in the development of another. The thing is: the rework of WiAB is a work way more hard than Summer's Gone updates. And the pc of WiAB it's not to powerfull. So, the updates of Summer's Gone simply get ready to release more early.can someone explain to me why Ocean's giving so much more priority to Summer's gone than WIAB?? I want to fap, not reading boring stories and being blue-balled to death
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I hope he continues on this game instead of the other one, the other one came later. This one is pretty good but all kinds of over the place because he has some reworks in it and some changes made and in the end made it's quality go down if he had stayed and focused on this game this one would have had updates and improvements by now so let's not kid ourselves.
As far as I can tell, he merely spoke about the option being there and giving his opinion on his taste, he never said it must be removed so no idea why the instant hostile reaction. I don't give a damn about NTR other than that they should stick to the definition of it and do it proper instead of shoving it in just for the sake of it being there, which btw it seems Ocean made clear he is attempting to fix and avoid with his updates so am pretty much wishing to see how that works out. Stating his opinion and demanding it be rid of is a whole lot different thing. There was no need to go all hostile on em like that.
The 10/10 renders came later, However I can understand what you mean, this game has been in the rework for almost 2 years now and myself and a few other who are amazed of this game have already clearly pointed out that it is very much crazy for updates to take that long, despite him having many setbacks and his "perfection" syndrome, which does not speed up or help anything, is not realistically achievable for what he has in plans. And that is a matter fact btw. So no while I do not believe he is milking the game, he is improving it and has many changes that much I believe. But I do get where you are coming from.
City of Broken Dreamers, Being a DIK, Depraved Awakening, Dreams Of Desire, Become A Rockstar.
And while slightly lower but still top tier renders with good renders and decent or amazing stories here is a few more,
Babysitter, Melody, Lancaster Boarding House.
Now you may say " But I said : I dont talk about all this games that have good renders but full female college or some other ridiculous unrealistic scenarios or writting. "
You are forgetting something, that same goes for Ocean his games too, the only difference is his has more limits on it and he is trying to give each and everyone a personality and that they stick with it, which I can argue some of these games also have. However at the end of the day the girls tend to be or act in a certain way depending on how you threat them. But you can only argue that on some of the games. Become A Rockstar already has that going for you with depending on how or what you choose there are already consequences set in place if you try to go for all the girls.
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Personal View and Opinion here :
It has been over a year now for the release of update 6 ( which is not even the full update 6 btw as stuff has been taken out of it for a few reasons that are understandable ) and before that 8+ months for update 5 from 4, I think this was also the time where SG got in to his hands. I explained it before already and I will say it again, so far out of most of the things I have pointed out and predicted has become a fact and reality. Not looking for points or shoulder taps or a medal just stating a fact.
I want this game to come out and succeed I have made this clear countless of times already, I have avoided this place for ages in hopes of an update coming eventually, Instead I see on the latest update an SG update, which frankly I don't give 2 fucks about but that is just me and my opinion, however I was quite disappointed with the fact there is still nothing in terms of WiAB, Yes there are some renders and what not but clearly not enough to satisfy or prove fuck all to me. Again, my opinion.
I have already stated this before but at this point ill say it again, Working on 2 games if he wants to do that that is fine however I don't go looking at 2 game I only see 1 game and as such even if he comes out with an update for this game sooner or later, it wont change the fact that action speak louder than words, so in other words this game right now is set to get updated every year and a half and SG is getting an update every 6 months, so that means 1 game gets updated every 18 months and the other one every 6.
If he were to bring out the update for this game, despite it being a master piece and having awesome renders and whatever else that is Ocean quality, he should still get ready for some backlash because despite everything, by the time we get this update, the amount of content we are going to get will not match the amount of time we had to wait and a lot of people will be disappointed on that alone, also I doubt we will be getting the full update from 1 all the way to 6 in one go.
Now I said it before and will say it again say in the future, Ocean has to do what Ocean wants, it is his game his masterpiece his little baby so he has to do what he thinks works out best for him. Not hating on him not mad at him, But I am disappointed that the moment I see an update from Ocean on the latest page, it is not the game that was supposed to be NEXT in line. in other words right now, SG has gotten 2 updates in a row. So yeah I admit, I am a little salty about that.
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Well no shit on that one sherlock, the reason why is because that one is getting UPDATES. Hence why it get's more support as it gets more notice. Had this one been getting the updates this one would have been earning twice the amount as people would have actually seen it instead of oh wait year and a half no update... That lone is more than enough to make people question if they should or should not support a game, SG being an overall better game is a matter of your personal opinion not a fact.
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all the games that you mentioned have this problem
every game that you mention is like a porno unrealistic that kills the immersion for me personally and our red string and ocean games dont have that problem for me personaly.
Love this game he has a real artistic approach with his renders some of the best on this site, just whish he would do an update for this game, seems like all his effort is for summers dream.
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While I can understand that personally for you it does not kill immersion and as someone who enjoys and hate immersion being broken I can tell you that both of those game have those issues too, WiAB in it's current state has it mostly on Miru's but that will or should be changed with the rework. Not sure about SG so I cannot say anything on that one as I only played the first iteration of it before it got full in to Ocean's hand, I don't care for it personally so I won't be playing that one anytime soon. But Our Red String DOES however suffer some of what you mention. Because if I have to follow by that which you mention Become A Rockstar should not be having that problem as you mentioned ALL of which I have mentioned that same could be said about Melody. Now I know for a fact that the current release for SG is 3.5beta so that is still early stages right now. But WiAB definitely suffers from the exact same things you are mentioned so I am VERY confused and fail to see how they do not suffer it. Keep in mind it is pretty impossible to expect a fully perfect real life scenario take, but what makes WiAB and Our Red String so different from Become A Rockstar and Melody ? Because I am pretty sure that in all of those games including Ocean's you are the main big dick MC. Ill say that Our Red String is unique in some aspects of story telling and how you go around the game with choices and what not.
So I am clearly failing to see right now what exactly you are implying so if you have the time can you please explain to me exactly what it is that you mean by unrealistic immersion ?
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Well, of course it's an opinion, but the fact that the dev is remaking the first few chapters kinda supports that opinion, don't you think? Most people on here agree that it needs that rework, while SG is in general well-liked even though it doesn't have any sex scenes yet. That's why I was saying it's a better game AS THINGS STAND. For me the last two chapters are on par with SG, but the rest isn't, hence the need for a remake.
You are probably right, but it's not getting those updates, is it? We can all debate the ifs and whys, but the fact remains - SG seems to have priority right now, and to think it has nothing to do with Patreon support is a bit foolish. But I guess people are free to believe whatever they want.
WIAB has $1357 on patreon.can someone explain to me why Ocean's giving so much more priority to Summer's gone than WIAB?? I want to fap, not reading boring stories and being blue-balled to death
SG has $3205...
Personally, while i like both, I find WIAB a far more appealing VN. He has two games (more or less through no fault of his own) that he's trying to refactor. Ocean would be foolish to focus on the VN that produces 30% of his net cash flow at the expense of the one that produces 70%. At its base we're talking about software. The mechanics of saving software are to staunch the bleeding of your cash cow. Then deal with everything else.
Given everything I've read, I think that Ocean values both games equally, and will do his best to get both back on track, but as much as I prefer WIAB, it makes perfect sense to get SG out first.
Does anyone have the July 1st Patreon update? Or anything newer from the Discord? Summers Gone had received a few updates while WIAB did not.
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If this is what you're go to is to use as a fact than I am afraid I am going to disagree with you. And that leads me to believe you have not been here since Ocean's rise since his release with WiAB. [/QUOTE]
I am not debating if's and why's that would mean I would be speculating and not knowing exactly what I am talking about.
I have been here since the first release from WiAB I have been here since the release of the first iteration of SG before Ocean got his hands on it and had to rework that one too.
The matter of fact and this is not a if or why but a fact that SG is right now having that support is because it get's updates and notice on that page for people to see, most people who have an issue with WiAB are people who have first played of SG and seen SG and find out about this one and want to compare while not realizing something.. And that something is that SG is merely a project while WiAB is Ocean's Baby, his literal blood and sweat and in his own words ( feel free to find em in this whole thread ) will be his most carefully and perfection of a project.
This has nothing to much with patreon also that is again not foolish thinking but also a fact, See I know a lot of people are saying he is not on the level of support like the rest of the game dev's but this by no means is the fault of patreon or what not not, it is because he simply does NOT have a consistent release sched like the rest of em he has barely brought updates and as such you do not get the support the rest do who have a consistent release this was also months ago been brought up and even Ocean acknowledged this but he made it clear that despite that fact he wants WiAB to be nothing BUT perfection.
So again when I say something it is not on if's and why's it is based on factual events or conversations from before. Also another thing, so far everything I have said months back have still been facts not if's not why's. The only things not facts are things I clearly make a point in saying those are merely my personal opinions.
The remaking of WiAB btw was something that was already in plans before his release for 0.5 and that was in a period that SG was not even in his hands and when he got SG he had to rework that one too and the first iteration of SG was not even CLOSE to the quality of WiAB and that alone should tell you something.
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Sorry my English is not that great but I will try too explain what I mean. First of all that WIAB suffers the same issue you are right on that one but thats why it gets reworked. He got so much better on renders and writting, but if we focus on for example being a dik and our red string. In our red string every cheracter male and female have some goals and dreams so they feel more alive this is one of the reasons why the world feels more immersiv for me. Even at the start of the game some people are already in an relationship their are guys that looks better or worse than you with Ian you are just an average joe and lena depends how you will play them both. The world has so many things that just make you feel you life in that world but you are not the center of it you understand what I mean?I know a lot of peaople say NTR too everything and hate it and too be honest I hate it too if the whole plot is around that than this games are immersiv breaking and unrealistic porno writting for me too, but if you take a game like beaing a dik where you are in college and and on partys every men expect than MC gets kicked out, hots are called (total sluts ) but are the personal harem of MC and and you come in college ans a freshman everything turns arond you all other guys have small dicks,are cringe or gay have no interest and so on their are so many points that kill immersion for me. I think the whole NTR problem is why alot of devs cant creat realistic games immagin georg rr martin song of ice and fire would only be around one guy and every women has no peronallity and just lifes life for MC (even a great writer like him could not build a good story with that restrictions). I am not for hadcore NTR storys but I am for a more realistic approche. I hope you understand the point that I try too make I am not against kinks or anything but a dev should try too make it natrual and realistic and actually fit the personalitie of the cheracters.
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You are right, I haven't been around for that long and if I remember correctly I first played both games around April/May. I really liked SG so I decided to try WIAB and I enjoyed it too to some extent, especially from chapter 5 onward. But the story and the characters in the first four chapters ware all over the place and that has nothing to do with playing SG first. So as I was saying in my previous post, the remake was badly needed to elevate it to SG's level - which is why I said SG is a better game as things stand. It is merely an opinion, sure, but a widely shared one. Not that you'd know btw, since you admitted to not playing SG in one of your posts. Since you can't really make the comparison you are just speculating, the exact same thing you said you were not going to do. So arguing about this with you is kinda pointless.
My second point was SG has priority, because it has more support. Again, you were right, it's not a fact, but you have to do some serious mental gymnastics to not think it plays at least a tiny part in the devs decision making. Which you kinda did. I mean it got two/three (unsure on the exact dates of the releases) updates since WIAB was last touched and people seem to be loving it. It might have started off as just a side project, but it's a lot more than that now. SG is his main moneymaker now so is it that hard to imagine that it has priority when it comes to updates? I'm not even saying a huge one, since I know the dev is working on both games at the same time, but if both updates were close to completion, I would think he would focus on the more popular one first, which seems to be the case right now.
Can’t say what the deal is with regards to the Discord, but the Patreon’s been quiet for a month. July 1st Post was mostly about WIAB wallpapers.
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I understand and agree to some of what you are saying however I would like to clarify one thing, I admitted to not playing the current iteration of SG not the former, I have played the pre rework of SG. By that definition I can clarify right now without having to have played the new updates ( i think I played the very first rework of SG a bit too after it got reworked ).
Just as you have described WiAB being a mess, let me just give you an idea what pre rework done by Ocean looked like. It was way worse than whatever WiAB is without adding the 0.6, to put simply, it was decent but did not hold a candle to it. To simply quote you " the remake was badly needed to elevate it to SG's level " you are correct that the current needs a rework to get on the level of visuals at the least ( in my case ) but now imagine the reverse in this case so you can understand where me and most people come from who were here before SG was even around in the first place.
Imagine having a decent game already than taking over a subpar project you was advising take that game and invest in it to improve it and than have new people ( for example like you and most current SG fans ) come and saying that SG is a much superior product and that he should focus on that instead of this one and use statistics of the SG in terms of patreon to justify why it should be happening, When before the SG updates WiAB was the lead in making money and was the superior product already. do you see where I am going on with this ? So while I understand what you mean in terms of support for SG taking the lead and as such it should be priority, all he would be doing is alienating those who were here in the first place already and second of all his support there only dwindled because he has not updated the game. So While I understand I disagree that his focus should be on SG, SG has at this point gotten enough attention and we from the WiAB have been waiting long enough.
I have never attacked Ocean or done anything negative towards him other than point out either facts from his actions or statements or given my opinions, And while I want him to bring out the best product I have been patient for a long time and like I said I am currently very much admitting I am a bit salty to see 2 updates in a row for SG instead of the promised 1 for 1 update.
EDIT: PS : Another reason I am also salty is because I have predicted how working on two games and having computers or better gpu won't do fuck all but hinder his production on WiAB let alone focus on two games at the same time, He has said while he understands where most of us come from with saying that, that would not be the case and here we are with 2 updates for SG and zero for WiAB and now with people trying to get him to focus on SG yes I am very much frustrated, I am not saying he lied but life happened however my point and prediction turned out to be a fact just like every other single one, I was hoping he would at the LEAST prove me wrong ONCE that is all.
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No worries I get what you are saying and I can definitely understand your meaning on the NTR as I am the same with the small exception of me not caring if the game has it or not, what I care about is that is done correctly and not shoe horned in. As for the rest yes most games suffer from all that and WiAB problems will or should be addressed when we get the reworked update ( whenever the hell that is ) However I can legit tell you that from what you are describing I am failing to see how for example Become A Rockstar falls in because that game while you can get with some or most of the women at first it was pretty much setup for consequences down the line and the game has sort of some realistic aspects to it and your MC has ambitions and what not but is also just a simple average Joe, with the last update the consequences of you dating multiple girls come slap you right in the face, not sure how much you have played of that one but I do recommend giving it another shot. I like Being A Dik but yes I can definitely see where you are coming from on that one, the writing is still pretty good and decent but yeah has a few flaws in there. Melody on the other hand is quite vanilla and the scenarios taking place there also don't seem to far fetched and impossible but yes the art is not quite on par with Ocean's that is for sure.
But yeah all in all I get you and I can agree with you but like I said while hard to come across, good writing as hard and rare as it is, there are some out there with good writing and Become A Rockstar and Melody are proof of that. I could name a few more with good writing but the quality of renders do not meet the top tier criteria but they are definitely not bad either. But yeah if you ever do find something on these levels and oceans or Evakiss, feel free to recommend am down for trying some stuff.