VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[mommysboiii]

This is the case.



This isn't a dating simulation.
The characters' personalities won't change because of a fetish.

Miru's libido will always exceed MCs, that's just how she is.
MC libido is natural.

He sees the same tiddies every day = Meh.
New tiddies = Nice.

And if you turn NTR off, Miru might like the idea of watching you do someone else to satisfy her "needs."
There're many ways to use Miru's heightened libido for the MC's benefit.



The new Miru is not a mindless animal.

Rebuffing sex isn't enough to make Miru cheat (with NTR on.)

Miru and MC have something going on that plays on a much deeper level than physical contact to gain short-term satisfaction could ever achieve.

She'll get mad and it has an impact on some routes but Miru's not a natural cheater.
If you aren't pushing her into certain situations and/or pushing certain limits... She won't cheat or act like a fool.

Sure, she often acts super horny in front of the MC and pretty much wants to bang him 24/7... But that's just the childish/insider behavior they do when they're alone/drunk.



See above.

MC's not suddenly going to turn into a fool.
Even with NTR on, MC's bed-game is still A+. (At least with Miru. Every girl in the game likes different things.)
And he won't lose the ability to read women and their reactions towards him.





That's the "joke" about it.
Miru's extremely tight. Even an average/above average cock is enough to... "make her work for it."

Other characters might just be like... "Huh, Miru said you had a horse cock but I'd say he's slightly above average."
MC mentions this in Chapter 1 by telling Miru that she's the only one thinking that because of her very tight pussy.



As I said above. This isn't a Dating simulation nor a fetish game.

It's a Story focused game with lewd elements.
No fetish is going to direct/change a character's behavior to a point that they act out of character.

The same rule also applies to the MC. He's not a faceless and bland MC.
He has principles that can be formed/adjusted throughout the game.



You don't need a horse cock to be better. That's a child's fantasy.

MC knows what he's doing and I'm certain many girls prefer a guy with an average dick that knows how to use it compared to a dude with a horse cock that can't even find the right rhythm and read how her body reacts to certain stimulus.

I want my lewd scenes to be more than just "Thrusting". I want a sensation, two souls connecting on an emotional level.
(Not saying there's not going to be some casual sex. There definitely is... but still.)



MC gets girls with his wit, humor, charm, and overall looks.
The fact that he knows how to read a woman and her body is just the cherry on top.

And pretty much no girl in this game thinks about fucking a dude just because he has a big cock.
It takes a little more than that.

There's no need for an actual cliche horse cock.




The NTR switch isn't a switch to make characters stupid, less attractive, or suddenly super horny.
It does change something, though

(OFF = Miru/Girl X being okay with only you banging Girl Y) but she still keeps her character traits.
(On = being the natural state of two equal partners.)

Miru won't suddenly allow you to bang everyone on the NTR OFF route.
And no girl is going to turn into a brainless horny slut by turning it ON.

Please don't confuse my approach on optional NTR with most of the NTR crap on this site.

It takes a lot of build-up and a whole lot of honest communication and trust to make the OFF route work.
And it takes exactly as much build-up to justify a loyal person like Miru cheating on the ON route.




Thank you!

Best replay ever know I really have the fade that ocean achives something diff I love how you describe how miru and mc have something speciall i cant wait for this game it will be one of the most realistic adult VN ever cant wait for the ntr A+ and the diff personalitiescant wait for godess diana too will be tuff which waifu too choose hmm

 

[Razrback16]

Quick question if Ocean doesn't mind and it's not too much of a spoiler for anybody - for those of us who don't have a lick of interest in Miru, is there a way to break up with her relatively early in the story in order to pursue girls the player is actually interested in?

Thanks!

 

[Turret]

This is the case.



This isn't a dating simulation.
The characters' personalities won't change because of a fetish.

Miru's libido will always exceed MCs, that's just how she is.
MC libido is natural.

He sees the same tiddies every day = Meh.
New tiddies = Nice.

And if you turn NTR off, Miru might like the idea of watching you do someone else to satisfy her "needs."
There're many ways to use Miru's heightened libido for the MC's benefit.



The new Miru is not a mindless animal.

Rebuffing sex isn't enough to make Miru cheat (with NTR on.)

Miru and MC have something going on that plays on a much deeper level than physical contact to gain short-term satisfaction could ever achieve.

She'll get mad and it has an impact on some routes but Miru's not a natural cheater.
If you aren't pushing her into certain situations and/or pushing certain limits... She won't cheat or act like a fool.

Sure, she often acts super horny in front of the MC and pretty much wants to bang him 24/7... But that's just the childish/insider behavior they do when they're alone/drunk.



See above.

MC's not suddenly going to turn into a fool.
Even with NTR on, MC's bed-game is still A+. (At least with Miru. Every girl in the game likes different things.)
And he won't lose the ability to read women and their reactions towards him.





That's the "joke" about it.
Miru's extremely tight. Even an average/above average cock is enough to... "make her work for it."

Other characters might just be like... "Huh, Miru said you had a horse cock but I'd say he's slightly above average."
MC mentions this in Chapter 1 by telling Miru that she's the only one thinking that because of her very tight pussy.



As I said above. This isn't a Dating simulation nor a fetish game.

It's a Story focused game with lewd elements.
No fetish is going to direct/change a character's behavior to a point that they act out of character.

The same rule also applies to the MC. He's not a faceless and bland MC.
He has principles that can be formed/adjusted throughout the game.



You don't need a horse cock to be better. That's a child's fantasy.

MC knows what he's doing and I'm certain many girls prefer a guy with an average dick that knows how to use it compared to a dude with a horse cock that can't even find the right rhythm and read how her body reacts to certain stimulus.

I want my lewd scenes to be more than just "Thrusting". I want a sensation, two souls connecting on an emotional level.
(Not saying there's not going to be some casual sex. There definitely is... but still.)



MC gets girls with his wit, humor, charm, and overall looks.
The fact that he knows how to read a woman and her body is just the cherry on top.

And pretty much no girl in this game thinks about fucking a dude just because he has a big cock.
It takes a little more than that.

There's no need for an actual cliche horse cock.




The NTR switch isn't a switch to make characters stupid, less attractive, or suddenly super horny.
It does change something, though

(OFF = Miru/Girl X being okay with only you banging Girl Y) but she still keeps her character traits.
(On = being the natural state of two equal partners.)

Miru won't suddenly allow you to bang everyone on the NTR OFF route.
And no girl is going to turn into a brainless horny slut by turning it ON.

Please don't confuse my approach on optional NTR with most of the NTR crap on this site.

It takes a lot of build-up and a whole lot of honest communication and trust to make the OFF route work.
And it takes exactly as much build-up to justify a loyal person like Miru cheating on the ON route.




Thank you!

Fracking great reply and stance on NTR in games! This you find far too rarely in many games, more netorase and sharing than brainless cheating. Looking forward to the next parts!

 

[LukeSR]

The game has only one lewd scene so far?

 

[Deleted member 327695]

basically the NTR only happens because MC put her in a place like that,so will it be avoided while NTR is ON with right choices?(even if mc involved with other girls?),Or it must needed to be turned off?

Yes.
It only happens if you do a combination of treating her bad, making her do it, and making certain decisions that lead to events that can escalate.
(Except you go down the sharing route and its sub-routes. The deeper you go, the more you might get lost.)

But, if the player has at least a decent amount of social intelligence, you'll know how to handle/react to avoid it.
Or for those that want to trigger it. They will know how to do it without it feeling forced.

Sometimes things can get a little tricky (Multiple routes and choices affecting each other.)

But, it's pretty much impossible to have her cheat on you if you treat her well and stuff her once in a while. Even if you fuck up some minor to medium choices. (That goes for many of the girls.)

Cheating on Miru and it being revealed obviously has consequences. (The MC is also not a cheater at the beginning of the game. (Depends on the player if he stays that way. Keep in mind your reputation matters as girls talk to each other.))

But she's not the type of person to go "Oh, he cheated on me so I'm gonna do it, too! That will show him."
She'll just stab you... And your Snake.

Quick question if Ocean doesn't mind and it's not too much of a spoiler for anybody - for those of us who don't have a lick of interest in Miru, is there a way to break up with her relatively early in the story in order to pursue girls the player is actually interested in?

Thanks!

This is why I added the "Open Relationship" option so early in the game.
That way you'll be able to redirect your focus rather early and also break up with Miru along the way. (In a nice and respectful way. Or just temporarily.)

 

[mommysboiii]

Yes.
It only happens if you do a combination of treating her bad, making her do it, and making certain decisions that lead to events that can escalate.
(Except you go down the sharing route and its sub-routes. The deeper you go, the more you might get lost.)

But, if the player has at least a decent amount of social intelligence, you'll know how to handle/react to avoid it.
Or for those that want to trigger it. They will know how to do it without it feeling forced.

Sometimes things can get a little tricky (Multiple routes and choices affecting each other.)

But, it's pretty much impossible to have her cheat on you if you treat her well and stuff her once in a while. Even if you fuck up some minor to medium choices. (That goes for many of the girls.)

Cheating on Miru and it being revealed obviously has consequences. (The MC is also not a cheater at the beginning of the game. (Depends on the player if he stays that way. Keep in mind your reputation matters as girls talk to each other.))

But she's not the type of person to go "Oh, he cheated on me so I'm gonna do it, too! That will show him."
She'll just stab you... And your Snake.



This is why I added the "Open Relationship" option so early in the game.
That way you'll be able to redirect your focus rather early and also break up with Miru along the way. (In a nice and respectful way. Or just temporarily.)

but i hope we dont need to threat miru/or women in generel like shit to get ntr? dont wanna play like a total unsocial douchbag I want my mc fall in love with miru with a slow direction downhill in a rabit hole

 

[Turret]

but i hope we dont need to threat miru/or women in generel like shit to get ntr? dont wanna play like a total unsocial douchbag I want my mc fall in love with miru with a slow direction downhill in a rabit hole

I think you aim more for the sharing route than "hard" NTR with how you describe your variant of the MC.

 

[mommysboiii]

I think you aim more for the sharing route than "hard" NTR with how you describe your variant of the MC.

hope so because if you act like a total asshole ofc she wanna leave you or cheat thats just realism not really ntr(hard ntr) and should be in every adult VN that tries to go in a realistic route.

 

[Turret]

hope so because if you act like a total asshole ofc she wanna leave you or cheat thats just realism not really ntr and should be in every adult VN that tries to go in a realistic route.

Definitely and considering Oceanlab´s long post a couple above, I think he will go this way with NTR. If you love Miru and treat her right, then "NTR" will be sharing or netorase depending on how hardcore you want it to be, if you go this way instead of pure love route. If you treat Miru or the other girls in the game like dirt and being a general douchbag, then they will leave you or cheat on you.

 

[slightchance]

But I did personally contact some bands/musicians to get some licensing deals... These are more expensive but there's no other way to get high-quality music.

There are lots of websites for royalty free music with dirt cheap fees. The music should only be the icing on the cake in my opinion, not really sure why he puts so much effort into it when he hasn't even released a 2nd update.

 

[Sieglinnde]

This is the case.



This isn't a dating simulation.
The characters' personalities won't change because of a fetish.

Miru's libido will always exceed MCs, that's just how she is.
MC libido is natural.

He sees the same tiddies every day = Meh.
New tiddies = Nice.

And if you turn NTR off, Miru might like the idea of watching you do someone else to satisfy her "needs."
There're many ways to use Miru's heightened libido for the MC's benefit.



The new Miru is not a mindless animal.

Rebuffing sex isn't enough to make Miru cheat (with NTR on.)

Miru and MC have something going on that plays on a much deeper level than physical contact to gain short-term satisfaction could ever achieve.

She'll get mad and it has an impact on some routes but Miru's not a natural cheater.
If you aren't pushing her into certain situations and/or pushing certain limits... She won't cheat or act like a fool.

Sure, she often acts super horny in front of the MC and pretty much wants to bang him 24/7... But that's just the childish/insider behavior they do when they're alone/drunk.



See above.

MC's not suddenly going to turn into a fool.
Even with NTR on, MC's bed-game is still A+. (At least with Miru. Every girl in the game likes different things.)
And he won't lose the ability to read women and their reactions towards him.





That's the "joke" about it.
Miru's extremely tight. Even an average/above average cock is enough to... "make her work for it."

Other characters might just be like... "Huh, Miru said you had a horse cock but I'd say he's slightly above average."
MC mentions this in Chapter 1 by telling Miru that she's the only one thinking that because of her very tight pussy.



As I said above. This isn't a Dating simulation nor a fetish game.

It's a Story focused game with lewd elements.
No fetish is going to direct/change a character's behavior to a point that they act out of character.

The same rule also applies to the MC. He's not a faceless and bland MC.
He has principles that can be formed/adjusted throughout the game.



You don't need a horse cock to be better. That's a child's fantasy.

MC knows what he's doing and I'm certain many girls prefer a guy with an average dick that knows how to use it compared to a dude with a horse cock that can't even find the right rhythm and read how her body reacts to certain stimulus.

I want my lewd scenes to be more than just "Thrusting". I want a sensation, two souls connecting on an emotional level.
(Not saying there's not going to be some casual sex. There definitely is... but still.)



MC gets girls with his wit, humor, charm, and overall looks.
The fact that he knows how to read a woman and her body is just the cherry on top.

And pretty much no girl in this game thinks about fucking a dude just because he has a big cock.
It takes a little more than that.

There's no need for an actual cliche horse cock.




The NTR switch isn't a switch to make characters stupid, less attractive, or suddenly super horny.
It does change something, though

(OFF = Miru/Girl X being okay with only you banging Girl Y) but she still keeps her character traits.
(On = being the natural state of two equal partners.)

Miru won't suddenly allow you to bang everyone on the NTR OFF route.
And no girl is going to turn into a brainless horny slut by turning it ON.

Please don't confuse my approach on optional NTR with most of the NTR crap on this site.

It takes a lot of build-up and a whole lot of honest communication and trust to make the OFF route work.
And it takes exactly as much build-up to justify a loyal person like Miru cheating on the ON route.




Thank you!

I have expectations to see how the NTR will develop here, understanding that perhaps the developer (you) have a different vision than other people and for that reason it may not meet all tastes, but if it is the vision that you have of something like that So... It's fine, it's your game. I personally really enjoyed the kind of NTR that was in the previous game or how swinging was dealt with on that sort of thing, so I'm looking forward to seeing what happens here

 

[drooopy]

You don't need a horse cock to be better. That's a child's fantasy.

MC knows what he's doing and I'm certain many girls prefer a guy with an average dick that knows how to use it compared to a dude with a horse cock that can't even find the right rhythm and read how her body reacts to certain stimulus.

big cocks are good for domination during sex scenes, it's really hard to pull off something like that with average penises without bondage, dildos & all that crap.

Anyway, i assume touchy feeling sex is meant for mc fans, while hardcore sex is meant for ntr guys.

 

[BeingADikDik]

This is the case.



This isn't a dating simulation.
The characters' personalities won't change because of a fetish.

Miru's libido will always exceed MCs, that's just how she is.
MC libido is natural.

He sees the same tiddies every day = Meh.
New tiddies = Nice.

And if you turn NTR off, Miru might like the idea of watching you do someone else to satisfy her "needs."
There're many ways to use Miru's heightened libido for the MC's benefit.



The new Miru is not a mindless animal.

Rebuffing sex isn't enough to make Miru cheat (with NTR on.)

Miru and MC have something going on that plays on a much deeper level than physical contact to gain short-term satisfaction could ever achieve.

She'll get mad and it has an impact on some routes but Miru's not a natural cheater.
If you aren't pushing her into certain situations and/or pushing certain limits... She won't cheat or act like a fool.

Sure, she often acts super horny in front of the MC and pretty much wants to bang him 24/7... But that's just the childish/insider behavior they do when they're alone/drunk.



See above.

MC's not suddenly going to turn into a fool.
Even with NTR on, MC's bed-game is still A+. (At least with Miru. Every girl in the game likes different things.)
And he won't lose the ability to read women and their reactions towards him.





That's the "joke" about it.
Miru's extremely tight. Even an average/above average cock is enough to... "make her work for it."

Other characters might just be like... "Huh, Miru said you had a horse cock but I'd say he's slightly above average."
MC mentions this in Chapter 1 by telling Miru that she's the only one thinking that because of her very tight pussy.



As I said above. This isn't a Dating simulation nor a fetish game.

It's a Story focused game with lewd elements.
No fetish is going to direct/change a character's behavior to a point that they act out of character.

The same rule also applies to the MC. He's not a faceless and bland MC.
He has principles that can be formed/adjusted throughout the game.



You don't need a horse cock to be better. That's a child's fantasy.

MC knows what he's doing and I'm certain many girls prefer a guy with an average dick that knows how to use it compared to a dude with a horse cock that can't even find the right rhythm and read how her body reacts to certain stimulus.

I want my lewd scenes to be more than just "Thrusting". I want a sensation, two souls connecting on an emotional level.
(Not saying there's not going to be some casual sex. There definitely is... but still.)



MC gets girls with his wit, humor, charm, and overall looks.
The fact that he knows how to read a woman and her body is just the cherry on top.

And pretty much no girl in this game thinks about fucking a dude just because he has a big cock.
It takes a little more than that.

There's no need for an actual cliche horse cock.




The NTR switch isn't a switch to make characters stupid, less attractive, or suddenly super horny.
It does change something, though

(OFF = Miru/Girl X being okay with only you banging Girl Y) but she still keeps her character traits.
(On = being the natural state of two equal partners.)

Miru won't suddenly allow you to bang everyone on the NTR OFF route.
And no girl is going to turn into a brainless horny slut by turning it ON.

Please don't confuse my approach on optional NTR with most of the NTR crap on this site.

It takes a lot of build-up and a whole lot of honest communication and trust to make the OFF route work.
And it takes exactly as much build-up to justify a loyal person like Miru cheating on the ON route.




Thank you!

Thanks for your detailed thoughts, Ocean.

My comments were based on the mistaken recollection that Miru was previously NTR'ing MC at every opportunity, but it's probably been so long since I played that I misjudged her character.

It does seem to me though that NTR On/Off is more than merely a fetish selection. (btw, I do not play with NTR On and have no interest in it.) As far as fetishes go, NTR is one of those that should logically affect a character's mindset (i.e., ability to trust or be vulnerable with others) and consequently affect ability to form healthy relationships. However, I'm sure based on your response that you will be thoughtful in your approach.

"You don't need a horse cock to be better. That's a child's fantasy."
While it would be nice that reality would support an enlightened position that bigger != better, unfortunately human psychology says otherwise. We are hardwired for this not only for genitalia (

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) and other physical traits that indicate genetic fitness, but also for general consumptive preferences (

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). Of course, there are always limits to these trends and preference outliers, but it is overly dismissive to categorize this as a juvenile fantasy.

Cheers bruv

 

[johndqdo]

Question, this game has netorare(you can lost your girl for somone else), netorase(sharing your girl) or both?
Sorry for the bad English.

 

[Machete]

Question, this game has netorare(you can lost your girl for somone else), netorase(sharing your girl) or both?
Sorry for the bad English.

As far as now neither. Wrost case scenario your lady has to flash boobs to a dude.

 

[Avaron1974]

Question, this game has netorare(you can lost your girl for somone else), netorase(sharing your girl) or both?
Sorry for the bad English.

The original had netorare and netorase so I assume the remake will be the same.

 

[H2R]

does the rework contain all the content of the old version?

 

[NewTricks]

does the rework contain all the content of the old version?

Unfortunately no. Eventually it may catch up, but even so far there are subtle differences in the storyline.

 

[Puma1978]

does the rework contain all the content of the old version?

Not really possible to say it until now...dev claims he wants to tell old story with some additional details and improvements in storyline. What is really improved already is the graphics and atmosphere...nearly outstanding staging.

 

[H2R]

Unfortunately no. Eventually it may catch up, but even so far there are subtle differences in the storyline.

well is there any storyline where it reach to the point of sex? it's been 3 years since I saw this game and bookmarked it waiting for fleshed out content