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Nope. He is working on the full version of Season 1 (for Steam). He just does the final reworks for CHAPTER 2 in that build.
The update’s release doesn’t really mean anything to me, but I think it’s very interesting how Ocean’s priorities and perhaps his perspective on this game has shifted.
So he’s reworking SG again? That’s also very interesting to hear.
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Ocean is redoing some things from season 1, and is also at the beginning of season 2
Yeah, point taken... in my old age, I didn't appreciate the implied sarcasm of the Kappa emoji...
6 yrs later
Ocean supporters - you know he's now doing a REWORK of S3 of SG so that he can match the story according to his new ideal storyline that he just THOUGHT NOW and therefore he'LL be doing a complete REWORK of both S1 S2.
Good things take time, so it'll take 1 year to do the complete REWORK and for safety reasons add another year for POLISHING.
Neutralists and others - really?
Ocean supporters - yes, absolutely
Neutralists and others - ok, VERY NICE, but what about WiAB?
Ocean supporters - oh come on don't be dumb, it recieves only 1 update in 3 yrs, as it also requires couple of REWORKS and POLISHING from time to time, did you forget?
Neutralists and others - really?
Ocean supporters - yes, absolutely
Neutralists and others - *this type of torcher is unbearable* so why doesn't he do everything in one go and complete the story by now?
Ocean supporters - don't you know? Good things TAKE TIME.
Neutralists and others - YA, now kill me and let me be in peace
Ocean supporters - no, your life deserves a REWORK and POLISH
Neutralists and others - F*** U
- Dec 24, 2018
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No it's part of the whole rework that has been ongoing. Current roadmap is WiaB CH3 soon, SG season 1 January. Ocean has teased development of SG CH6 (which is the start of season 2). Pretty much the same development plan that has been going on this entire year. He's just been a bit slower and delivered more content than typical. I'll be interested to hear what people think about his development when w've had the chance to play WiaB CH3.
Also, I imagine some renders for WiaB we've had teased are for CH4. Ocean has time while rendering to plan ideas.
^ Ya I am really looking forward to seeing more about the current SG characters in WIAB as backstories. Amber, Holgerson, Nojiko, maybe some of the parents of the other kids, etc.
The sense I'm getting from all of this is that WiaB, which was his original game, has kind of shifted into being more of a side story and prop for the narrative for SG. It seems that one would get more from WiaB if they were coming to it as a fan of SG, whereas the reverse would potentially spoil the narrative for WiaB. It might also indicate, given that some of the characters in SG are the children of the protagonist of WiaB, that the game is going to become a lot more of a kinetic novel and straightforward as opposed to multiple paths offered by SG.
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6 yrs later
Ocean - makes adult games.
Ocean's supporters - enjoy his games, support Ocean, read the dev logs, play other games until Ocean releases the next update.
Neutralists and others - enjoy his games, do not support Ocean, do not read the dev logs, play other games until Ocean releases the next update.
WiaB main thread - six-year anniversary edition of the travesty stand-up show "6 yrs later: the rework."
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They are not even half done, so it's hard to enjoy these games at the moment. And it's not a fact that the situation will change in 6 years.
- Dec 5, 2020
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It's not even fact that you or me will be alive within next 6 days.
For me, every update of both games is very enjoyable, I'm in no rush to get to the final credits as quickly as possible. And I have a plenty of other things to enjoy between Ocean games' updates, instead of getting upset now about possible issues 6 years down the road.
But don't let me stop you from having your fun, if the endless "We all gonna die before this game is finished" debate is your thing.
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OCEAN working on Wiab update -
OCEAN working on SG Update -
OCEAN working on SG Update -
- Dec 24, 2018
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Pre rework WiaB had a definite canon, the choices were mainly to appear like it wasn't a kinetic novel. Essentially even if you prefer Katie, you still have the issues with Leia, simply because that's central to the plot. I can't imagine that would change in any regard. I think the choices will be limited as far as plot goes, but I think in some ways it will be the opposite of SG - Willi has a reputation as a manwhore, and choices will possibly be how manwhorish he is. Based on how the original went, I think any continuity errors can be chalked up to things happening in the time between WiaB and SG, so there is still a lot of wiggle room.
The fact that Ocean is developing them concurrently allows him to avoid spoiling either too much. The natural effect is that SG will have more loaded ramifications of actions, but players of WiaB who follow SG as well will also understan more about the consequences.
I don't think it's going to ruin either, but at least it'll be relatively consistent in approach. Ocean will work hard not to spoil key reveals in either to keep people intruigued. I think WiaB is likely to have the same flow as SG - the core canon is identical, but you can flavour it with either a selfish MC or a nice MC, with different eyecandy as a result. CHoices will also determine how you find out things and in what order, so some choices will reveal more or hide more. I guess WiaB will branch out in the middle of the story, but circumstances will pull the plot to a predefined end. The question is how well Ocean can bring things back to a central point without it feeling forced.
I think that’s kind of a false equivalency. Yes the characters have an established relationship going into the game early on, but that’s not the same thing as it being a completely kinetic experience. And certainly for a long time Ocean was talking about the choices in WIAB having major consequences and an effect on the narrative, how major relationships would play out etc.
If he’s discarding all of that and essentially turning this into a kinetic novel he can use to lore dump SG characters….well, I suppose I understand why he’s less interested in developing it compared to it’s sequel. Perhaps it’ll improve the experience of SG, though it’s lessened WIAB.
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Oh my here we go again. And of course the neutralists are with the cryb... others.
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- Dec 24, 2018
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I would suggest it's not false equivalency - point to the released version of WiaB that allows for meaningful choices with consequences. Currently all released version have pretty fixed plot structure. We never got to see any of the ultimate consequences in a relational sense in WiaB, the only real consequential choice we saw was how the prison scene played out. Even then, it had very little impact other than the immediate renders shown. The plot was basically linear, with choices to create a flavour or style of playthrough, the illusion of choice. I firmly believe there will be consequential choices in this new version, but like in SG, there will be a lot of canon forced on the player, because it is a particular kind of story Ocean wishes to explore.
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I want to understand this better. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. But, decisions in the old WIAB existed to change your story, as in all AVNs. Whether it is canonical or not depends on whether it is the story common to all routes or not. Pregnancy belonged to a particular route, Katie's war, the prison scene, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Now, if you're talking about the canon leading up to SG, it didn't matter back then. Those issues were emphasized only when Ocean takes full control of SG (like the appearance of Victoria and Maja's parents... are they still sisters?).
And about the crucial points, we already know them, at least until the trial. What happens in between and how it happens is what changes. As well as the development of characters that in the old WIAB still had no stage presence.
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I still dont understand the vargue language of the last SG post (no hate) I mean he said polish is done and testers dont need more than a day because the update is straight foward but in the last SG post he talks about upcoming days (which can mean anything) and also soon before chirstmas?? but I tought that the game is already at the testers that wont need longer than a dayso i am confused
so i am confusedWhat you’re suggesting is that because the previous iteration of the game didn’t progress far enough in its narrative for us to truly appreciate the consequences of our choices that there were no consequences, which isn’t the case. There certainly were enough elements in play (and Oceans own comments) that there was a definite cause and effect to certain actions.
For instance, there was a mechanic that allowed the player to enable the possibility of pregnancy with the love interests, which Ocean warned would have effects on the different relationships the player wished to pursue. Likewise it was something Ocean often said was a critical part of his intention- you couldn’t form a harem, but there would ultimately be different love interests (and occasionally throuples) that the protagonist would end up with based on certain choices.
That’s a far cry from the game essentially becoming a kinetic novel where we only watch and read the narrative unfold without any diverging paths or meaningful choice.