VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

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WastedTalent said:
I thought that was the GF, but don't get all snow flake and teary eyed on me now. lol. Yeah again cry me a river. Older siblings bully younger ones all the time it's called life so Katie getting the same treatment now or worse is definitely Karma. I'm also not the one simping I'm just stating I don't like a character and all I hear is how wrong I am from people who's only reason to defend her is she was bullied.... who's projecting and simping? Take a look in the mirror my friend seriously because while you all are busy berating me for not liking your favorite character I'm sipping my coffee and enjoying my day. You sure I'm the one simping? Guess what? I still don't like Katie... but keep trying to convince me I should it's entertaining. :ROFLMAO:
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WastedTalent said:
Yeah she's a victim... don't give me that shit and hopefully katie does commit suicide that would make me super happy. lol. Leia was a horrible person? How do you figure because she was annoyed by her little sister? holy hell all you simps oh the mean bullies poor katie... you just simpin for the brat because you somehow identify with her but yeah Leia and William are terrible people. By the rewrite it sure seems like the dev wants to make them so... to soothe all the poor kids who don't like the meanies... either way we can agree to disagree I can't stand Katie and your arguments don't make me feel any different as I'm sure mine don't you so let's just leave it at that ok?
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WastedTalent said:
I thought that was the GF, but don't get all snow flake and teary eyed on me now. lol. Yeah again cry me a river. Older siblings bully younger ones all the time it's called life so Katie getting the same treatment now or worse is definitely Karma. I'm also not the one simping I'm just stating I don't like a character and all I hear is how wrong I am from people who's only reason to defend her is she was bullied.... who's projecting and simping? Take a look in the mirror my friend seriously because while you all are busy berating me for not liking your favorite character I'm sipping my coffee and enjoying my day. You sure I'm the one simping? Guess what? I still don't like Katie... but keep trying to convince me I should it's entertaining. :ROFLMAO:
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Dude, Katie made it pretty clear that her threat wasn't something she would follow through on. It's seriously unhinged to think it's normal for siblings to bully each other. Fight and mess with each other yes, but not bully. It's also completely natural for someone to defend themselves by lashing out the people responsible, and I don't really see how you can fault someone for defending themselves.
 
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Dude, Katie made it pretty clear that her threat wasn't something she would follow through on. It's seriously unhinged to think it's normal for siblings to bully each other. Fight and mess with each other yes, but not bully. It's also completely natural for someone to defend themselves by lashing out the people responsible, and I don't really see how you can fault someone for defending themselves.
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I'm through debating all this. I don't like her simple as that. To each their own. On your opening point though she made that clear after the fact. At the time MC had no way of knowing that. Anyway I don't care if others like Katie why is everyone so intent on trying to get me to like her? I just don't... it's ok if you guys do I honestly am ok with that. I just don't.
 
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WastedTalent said:
I'm through debating all this. I don't like her simple as that. To each their own. On your opening point though she made that clear after the fact. At the time MC had no way of knowing that. Anyway I don't care if others like Katie why is everyone so intent on trying to get me to like her? I just don't... it's ok if you guys do I honestly am ok with that. I just don't.
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And that right there is your problem. YOUR problem....you don't like her so can't (read, don't want to) look past anything else regardless of what it may be.

Secondly, stop sticking your reply into a damn table.
 
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WastedTalent said:
I thought that was the GF, but don't get all snow flake and teary eyed on me now. lol. Yeah again cry me a river. Older siblings bully younger ones all the time it's called life so Katie getting the same treatment now or worse is definitely Karma. I'm also not the one simping I'm just stating I don't like a character and all I hear is how wrong I am from people who's only reason to defend her is she was bullied.... who's projecting and simping? Take a look in the mirror my friend seriously because while you all are busy berating me for not liking your favorite character I'm sipping my coffee and enjoying my day. You sure I'm the one simping? Guess what? I still don't like Katie... but keep trying to convince me I should it's entertaining. :ROFLMAO:
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Funny you should say that, because neither Leia or Katie are my fav in this game, so no I'm not simping for either one. I'm just being objective.

It's entirely ok to not like Katie. I have no issues with that. Like I said, she's not my favorite neither. But it's absolutely not ok to brush off the treatment she received from her siblings as fine and just life for an older sibling to bully a younger one just because they could. Seriously, if that's really what you think, the issues are all on you, not the rest of us or the game.

And while talking about projecting, how do you know we are not all sipping our coffee and enjoying laughing at you?
 
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Funny you should say that, because neither Leia or Katie are my fav in this game, so no I'm not simping for either one. I'm just being objective.

It's entirely ok to not like Katie. I have no issues with that. Like I said, she's not my favorite neither. But it's absolutely not ok to brush off the treatment she received from her siblings as fine and just life for an older sibling to bully a younger one just because they could. Seriously, if that's really what you think, the issues are all on you, not the rest of us or the game.

And while talking about projecting, how do you know we are not all sipping our coffee and enjoying laughing at you?
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It's not ok for me to brush it off? That's your opinion. See that's the beautiful thing I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. Take care.
 
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Maviarab said:
And that right there is your problem. YOUR problem....you don't like her so can't (read, don't want to) look past anything else regardless of what it may be.

Secondly, stop sticking your reply into a damn table.
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Well if it is "my problem" as you say then so be it. I won't stop putting my reply in a table firstly because I don't have to secondly because you aren't in any position to direct me just as I'm not in any position to give you directives. Later.
 
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Helen’s the best of the Zane women, even though her suddenly wanting to fuck her son seems to defy even porn logic and has said son questioning it in-universe.
 
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Bullying is NEVER ok. It's not just an opinion.
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Oh but it is just an opinion. Do you think because people say it's not ok that it doesn't happen? Do you think your stance on the subject has stopped it all together? It's ok because most people grow up and move on, not all do, but they do. There is a difference between normal and extreme like with any subjects. You are very strong in your stance as are many, but believe me I speak from experience I survived it and so do many people. You can either grow from it and become a better person or you can become bitter and unhappy.
 
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WastedTalent said:
Oh but it is just an opinion. Do you think because people say it's not ok that it doesn't happen? Do you think your stance on the subject has stopped it all together? It's ok because most people grow up and move on, not all do, but they do. There is a difference between normal and extreme like with any subjects. You are very strong in your stance as are many, but believe me I speak from experience I survived it and so do many people. You can either grow from it and become a better person or you can become bitter and unhappy.
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I'm sorry you had to experience bullying and survived it. Good for you. But that doesn't make it ok. Your bully was still 100% wrong.

The fact that something bad happens and one survived it does not make it ok and acceptable to happen. It's still wrong.

War happens. Does that make it ok?

Murder happens. Does that make it ok?

Rape happens. Does that make it ok?

It's unfortunate that shitty things happen but none of that is ok. It's a fact. It's not an opinion.
 
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Cabin Fever said:
Funny you should say that, because neither Leia or Katie are my fav in this game, so no I'm not simping for either one. I'm just being objective.

It's entirely ok to not like Katie. I have no issues with that. Like I said, she's not my favorite neither. But it's absolutely not ok to brush off the treatment she received from her siblings as fine and just life for an older sibling to bully a younger one just because they could. Seriously, if that's really what you think, the issues are all on you, not the rest of us or the game.

And while talking about projecting, how do you know we are not all sipping our coffee and enjoying laughing at you?
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It was patently clear in the old WIAB that the MC and Leia made Katie who she became (obviously Dylan and Helen share responsibility as well)
WastedTalent said:
I just hope MC can kick Katie to the curb like before. I still don't like her character and never will. The rewrite hasn't changed that. I hope that MC can make her miserable without any backlash let her feel the weight of what she did and face actual consequences. Let her be cutoff for the next however many years to equal MC's time. Let her suffer the same way MC did.
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I just hope Katie can kick the MC to the curb. I still don't like his character and never will. The rewrite hasn't changed that. I hope that Katie can make him miserable without any backlash let him feel the weight of what he (and Leia) did and face actual consequences.

Chicken and Egg...
 
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