VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[The Krogan Dude]

Agree.In addition, do not forget that Steam may allow this, Patreon can still ban you for a *different* version on Steam. Otherwise, Ocean, like other developers, would not play the game *an unknown person posted some patch here*, but would calmly add on their Discord.
PS: The funny thing is that Patreon's rules state that fictional plot elements depicting incest and related to a larger work (for example, Game of Thrones) can be allowed. I'm just sure that if someone decided to create an avn, then he would have been banned for even a tenth part of the GoT plot. One character like Ramsay Bolton would be enough for a ban.

Or the Lannister and Targaryan background

 

[John972]

Agree.In addition, do not forget that Steam may allow this, Patreon can still ban you for a *different* version on Steam. Otherwise, Ocean, like other developers, would not play the game *an unknown person posted some patch here*, but would calmly add on their Discord.
PS: The funny thing is that Patreon's rules state that fictional plot elements depicting incest and related to a larger work (for example, Game of Thrones) can be allowed. I'm just sure that if someone decided to create an avn, then he would have been banned for even a tenth part of the GoT plot. One character like Ramsay Bolton would be enough for a ban.

I know, the hypocrisy is astounding and the rules likely only get enforced against the small fish. Add to that the fact that any third party can change their policy at any time. My view is that Ocean, as a business manager, has to assess the risk (of having "unfashionable" plot elements), decide how much risk he's willing to take on, and look mitigate risk where he can to protect his investment.

PS - I'm honestly surprised it took this long for Patreon to move against WIAB. Any person with an internet connection and Google could establish the truth about the WIAB plot, it's history, and the game add-on that can't be named (including the author of that add-on), with most of the evidence appearing in this very forum.

 

[Hahn1900]

I know, the hypocrisy is astounding and the rules likely only get enforced against the small fish. Add to that the fact that any third party can change their policy at any time. My view is that Ocean, as a business manager, has to assess the risk (of having "unfashionable" plot elements), decide how much risk he's willing to take on, and look mitigate risk where he can to protect his investment.

PS - I'm honestly surprised it took this long for Patreon to move against WIAB. Any person with an internet connection and Google could establish the truth about the WIAB plot, it's history, and the game add-on that can't be named (including the author of that add-on), with most of the evidence appearing in this very forum.

Risk? What risk? Do you know the game summertime saga? If ocean would have made the amount of money like summertime saga is, he wouldnt have to deal with this problem now. Summertime Saga isnt even hiding the incest and doesnt get bothered by patreon, cause they earn a lot out of it too... WiaB was simply not big enough, someone reported it, and so patreon got rid of it... thats it.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

I vaguely recall cc companies putting pressure on third party processors, such PayPal, over the years, Sadly, it's never-ending.

You can still pay at all those sites with CC's. If it was really credit compainies why would they still let you use their cards to pay for porn?

 

[John972]

Risk? What risk? Do you know the game summertime saga? If ocean would have made the amount of money like summertime saga is, he wouldnt have to deal with this problem now. Summertime Saga isnt even hiding the incest and doesnt get bothered by patreon, cause they earn a lot out of it too... WiaB was simply not big enough, someone reported it, and so patreon got rid of it... thats it.

What risk? You answered your own question, Is WIAB as big as SS? No! So, there was/is risk and that's how it played out.

 

[John972]

You can still pay at all those sites with CC's. If it was really credit compainies why would they still let you use their cards to pay for porn?

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This has been going on for years.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

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This has been going on for years.

That article just kind of proved the point it's not the CC's.

UPDATE 10 March:

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on erotica and does not take any position of 'lawful material'.

 

[John972]

That article just kind of proved the point it's not the CC's.

From the same article:

PayPal said it was acting in part because banks and credit card companies it works with restrict such content, according to an email PayPal sent to Smashwords on February 24. Reuters obtained copies of the emails.

"Our banking partners and credit card associations have taken a very strict stance on this subject matter," PayPal said in the February 24 email. "Our relationships with the banking partners are absolutely critical in order to provide the online and mobile services we (offer) ... to our customers. Therefore, we have to remain in compliance with their rules, which prohibit content involving rape, bestiality or incest."

It is even less acceptable for large financial institutions such as credit card companies to start making arbitrary decisions about what is and isn’t obscene. It’s not their job to act as moral arbiters, defining taste and effectively banning certain types of content from sale. If content is not clearly illegal, people should be able to both publish and purchase it. If content is straying into a grey area of legality then it is for the law, however flawed that law is, to challenge it.

I recall when all this went down, and it affected other payment processors too, not just PayPal. Numerous news stories from the time pointed out the banks and cc companies applying pressure through their terms and conditions.

 

[John972]

Replaying Ch 3, I noticed something in a conversation between William and Dylan...

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Does anyone have an insights on what Dylan meant when he said, "Losing two..."?

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

From the same article:
I recall when all this went down, and it affected other payment processors too, not just PayPal. Numerous news stories from the time pointed out the banks and cc companies applying pressure through their terms and conditions.

You should just read the updated article, it has more up-to-date information and also has bits about MasterCard also denying it.


Considering Itch.io pointed fingers at PayPal, SS doesn't use PayPal, many sites that deal with porn don't use PayPal and only CC, one can draw a pretty strong conclusion what is going on.

PayPal has gone about dealing with the problem in a ham-fisted and arrogant way.

In general, Visa takes no position with respect to lawful goods and services bought and sold by the people and the companies who use our payment service.

Side note,

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just banned all adult content, and

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Looks like it's going ot finally happen, Patreon doesn't want adult content on its platform and slowly purging it and changing the rules.

It's no wonder why so many dev's Patreon accounts have been removed of late even while being in the good with Patreon's guidelines with their content. It would not surprise me if you see a lot more Patreon accounts nuked in the coming days/weeks.

 

[Doomyk]

Replaying Ch 3, I noticed something in a conversation between William and Dylan...

Spoiler: the Scene

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Does anyone have an insights on what Dylan meant when he said, "Losing two..."?

I have already raised this question. I see a couple of options here. Ocean could have made a mistake, instead of you, write two. Another option is that he talks about the loss of William and Joe in prison. Well, option 3 is guesses that they could have had children/Helen could be pregnant.

 

[John972]

I have already raised this question. I see a couple of options here. Ocean could have made a mistake, instead of you, write two. Another option is that he talks about the loss of William and Joe in prison. Well, option 3 is guesses that they could have had children/Helen could be pregnant.

Thanks for the insight. I wasn't sure if a missed some context from other conversations.

 

[John972]

You should just read the updated article, it has more up-to-date information and also has bits about MasterCard also denying it.


Considering Itch.io pointed fingers at PayPal, SS doesn't use PayPal, many sites that deal with porn don't use PayPal and only CC, one can draw a pretty strong conclusion what is going on.






Side note,

You must be registered to see the links

just banned all adult content, and

You must be registered to see the links

Looks like it's going ot finally happen, Patreon doesn't want adult content on its platform and slowly purging it and changing the rules.

It's no wonder why so many dev's Patreon accounts have been removed of late even while being in the good with Patreon's guidelines with their content. It would not surprise me if you see a lot more Patreon accounts nuked in the coming days/weeks.

I should point out that the cc companies' statements ten years ago don't address the issues brought up in the PP email - they

You should just read the updated article, it has more up-to-date information and also has bits about MasterCard also denying it.


Considering Itch.io pointed fingers at PayPal, SS doesn't use PayPal, many sites that deal with porn don't use PayPal and only CC, one can draw a pretty strong conclusion what is going on.






Side note,

You must be registered to see the links

just banned all adult content, and

You must be registered to see the links

Looks like it's going ot finally happen, Patreon doesn't want adult content on its platform and slowly purging it and changing the rules.

It's no wonder why so many dev's Patreon accounts have been removed of late even while being in the good with Patreon's guidelines with their content. It would not surprise me if you see a lot more Patreon accounts nuked in the coming days/weeks.

OK, thanks for the additional info. I concede the point.

As I said, I recalled reading multiple news articles from over a decade ago that pointed the finger at pressure from cc companies, not just the Forbes article. My memory is likely faulty, but I also thought it had to do with advocacy groups applying pressure.

 

[Krytax123]

Replaying Ch 3, I noticed something in a conversation between William and Dylan...

Spoiler: the Scene

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Does anyone have an insights on what Dylan meant when he said, "Losing two..."?

Kids? Could have been miscarriages or he is talking about Willy and Leia, they lost willy due to vanishing and in turn lost leia due to breaking down and never being the same person again.

 

[TurdFlyer]

Replaying Ch 3, I noticed something in a conversation between William and Dylan...

Spoiler: the Scene

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Does anyone have an insights on what Dylan meant when he said, "Losing two..."?

I think the most likely thing was him saying losing two of their children at the same time ruined the relationship, they lost William (the MC) physically from him running away, but they also lost Leia mentally almost like she was a husk of a person, she was very distant hardly cared for anything and had to be held in a mental ward. She changed completely there after.

He simply doesn't want to push William away again by blaming the MC for ruining the relationship, so he cuts himself off. He's afraid of the MC running away again as most of the family is.

To further my line of thinking later on in the game when the MC and Dylan are talking in the auto shop, Dylan does open up about how awful it was for Leia, I don't have the game on me right now but he even says something along the lines of losing you both that day.

 

[Maviarab]

I think the most likely thing was him saying losing two of their children at the same time ruined the relationship, they lost William (the MC) physically from him running away, but they also lost Leia mentally almost like she was a husk of a person, she was very distant hardly cared for anything and had to be held in a mental ward. She changed completely there after.

He simply doesn't want to push William away again by blaming the MC for ruining the relationship, so he cuts himself off. He's afraid of the MC running away again as most of the family is.

To further my line of thinking later on in the game when the MC and Dylan are talking in the auto shop, Dylan does open up about how awful it was for Leia, I don't have the game on me right now but he even says something along the lines of losing you both that day.

This is the reason

Physicaly lost a son, emotionally lost a daughter.

 

[Harsh 007]

WTF happened to the page.....? The patreon's removed....? anyone know the reason...?

 

[John972]

WTF happened to the page.....? The patreon's removed....? anyone know the reason...?

You heard the reason here here first...

Patreon/Paypal are Cunts!

 

[Adhdclassic]

You heard the reason here here first...

Patreon/Paypal are Cunts!
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A site needs to be created for AVN/VN devs with less restrictions and more open rules.

 

[slightchance]

Side note,

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just banned all adult content, and

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Looks like it's going ot finally happen, Patreon doesn't want adult content on its platform and slowly purging it and changing the rules.

The first paragraph states that Patreon doesn't allow nudity on the "public-facing spaces". Explicit material must stay behind a subscription wall. I don't see where it says that they are going to ban all adult content.