I remember that I brought up this discussion some time ago, believe with you. all depends on who "her" is, and we dont have any way of knowing that at the moment.
The her vs them is pretty distinct, the context is about tearing the family apart, and Willi only really cares what family think of him, so I think it's most likely Leia - and that means something she'd not like at all.
Goddess Katie, come to thee so I shall paint thy womb with thy seed.
He's basically a human condom stuffed with walnuts (or in this case Wollnuts?) ...and always has been
In my head canon, was the "her" Katie talked about, aimed into the direction of the grandma. It's a while back since I played the scene, but as far as I remember, is the grandma described as a batshit crazy religious fanatic.
Entirely possible, but I'm not sure Willi would care about her opinion, based on the way he talked about the grandma, while we know 100% her cares a lot what Dylan, Helen and Leia think.
And in my opinion, this mystical Asavera can fit terribly into both the past and the present with the whole idea of revenge, betrayal, and the fact that William, through his actions, could have created the Princess and Asavera.
I think it has something to do with Leia and Williams relationship. There has been a few instances where the relationship is discussed. Flashback Leia and William were talking about there month relationship and she said he has to give her something to celebrate. He gave her a heart cut out of wood. Remember at the last update to get her to talk to him he made a heart shaped out of wood and left it at her door.Katie mentioned about having his hand under Leia skirt. When they were on the couch watching the TV. William was talking about Leia doing wrong to Monica and she said how dare she take what was hers.
But if the 'her' is Leia, Katie telling Leia about Willi and Leia makes no sense. That's why I think it is something else. Also the way Leia greets Miru, the banter between Willi and Leia, it's like everyone in the family would have to be blind or deaf not to notice. If the 'her' mentioned is Leia and Katie thought William was stupid to think she'd tell 'her', what was Willi worried that Katie could threaten to tell Leia that Leia doesn't know?
The her is not Leia. Your right doesn't make sense. Earlier in the threads someone said the grandmother since she wanted to put them in that religious cult. His mother was absolutely against it. If Katie had revealed that to the Grandmother that would have been all the ammo she needed to get them put in.
The thing is we don't know who the her is at all (it is just guesses and theories right now because the story doesn't say), but we do know that Leia's opinion is the most important one to Willi. Look for when he gets tears in his eyes and why. The grandmother sounds like he wasn't frightened of her at all when describing her, she was more of an annoyance or something worth laughing over than a threat or someone to cry over.
Yeah, but there are more family members than those we have seen so far, and even so maybe is telling something bad that he did to someone one outside the family with the protecional to tear them apart, maybe William has beating someone and Dylan and Helen would cover for him but if Katie told "Her" William would be in much more trouble. Is not that I don't think it can be Leia, is just that as much things in Ocean games, we don't know enough.
I too think is the grandmother, for not much reason beyond she was the first person that came to mind the first time I read it. Maybe is not that William cared about her opinion but his grandmother had a position to force her will upon him and the others, maybe send him and Leia to the religious camp or maybe cut money ( someone had say the the Zane money is
I think that we may influence how their relationship will evolve,strengthening or weakening it, katie is not trilled with the idea of Zoey having sex with William where Zoey is more than willing, than has the aspect that you mentioned, than has Katie's felling toward William. Maybe if Mc is on Katie's good side he has sex with Zoey with out drama, maybe he fucks Zoey to piss off Katie, I am not a NTR fan but it seems to me that cheating is at the core of much of the relationships, Mon, Dana, Helen in the game.
Can't say that I fully agree but I like the ideia that William had a thing with Asavera, maybe this is one of the reasons Leia don't want to tell him much, and it does fit pretty well with the idea o betrayal the game has, but who might be she ? . Just don't see young William being the Machiavellian, but I can be wrong.
I'm making a personal effort to not add theories that have too much reliance on things outside the stated plot ...but not having much luck. I've said it before, but Ocean is great at making mysteries, and making us care about discovering them.
I certainty can relate to the felling, one of the reasons that I seek out this forum was to test my ideas, but it is hard given that Ocean drops crumbs of information. But then again maybe this is the reason it is so engaging.
I'm all for playing devil's advocate and wild goose chases, because sometimes they uncover unrelated info I'd skipped,and it also forces me to recheck the story's actual content rather than what I assumed. I think it's healthy to read and allow our imaginations to fill the gaps, but for further enjoyment we have to wonder about the motivations, after all we only ever hear Willi's internal dialogue, so everything is inherently biased. The fact there are crumbs means there's a trail or two to follow even if it's misdirection. I consider this the fun part of any story, to try and find out the size of the playing filed/world and the rules it operates by. The more consistent the rules and world building, the more satisfying it is to find our intuition has a payoff down the line. There's really no right or wrong here, just speculation.
