VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[Vigeous]

Bummer... At least we will get the incest patch that will make things normal again. The reunion of the family is what made the game brilliant imo. Losing that makes no sense.

 

[txe320]

*Sigh*

Really?

I hope he'll change is mind, and I really hope it won't evolve into another remake, because I would be done with it.

So much potential and people told me how I needed to play this game and Summer's Gone because how amazing they are. And they are great game but, if he decides to remake it again, it's sadly not worth it to wait for this game anymore.

 

[LHDLLB]

In my second paragraph, I simply meant that by clarifying the relationships, the narrative becomes simpler, not only does he avoid anyone being a tenant, (actually, I guess Dana will be Willi and Miru's landlady now...), but he doesn't have to make a story that is plausible to both meanings. I mean, Dana and Gina have mentioned their brothers, Kat and Zoey have brothers we've seen, there's no problems understanding the dynamic - it's just their identity is clear. We know exactly what we expect of Stephan and Lucas, Ocean can focus instead on telling us why they're important in the story. In the same way, defining these relationships allows Ocean to set the conditions for the story and lead us directly, rather than keeping everything opaque.



Well, there are already other AVN's on Steam that have characters who have a sexual past, yet they're going to college for the first time, so it's certainly possible. In the old version or now, neither WiaB has had Willi do anything until Monica appeared. I guess Ocean just has to find a way to keep the past reveals minimal, especially as he cut Summer's kiss from SG.

Thank you for clarifying, it does help, he did something similar to SG, is not the lack of incest that bothers me is the reasoning that I can't quite understand

We might now know that Willi and Leia aren't Helen and Dylan's natural born kids, but do Willi and Leia know? Nothing in the story so far suggests that they've been told. It makes me think of Oedipus, running away to save his parents from the prophecy, only to enable the prophecy to happen to his actual parents. This is why I think Ocean's been brave to tell us rather than let it be revealed through the story - he's given away a major plot point, the question is whether he'll just divert the narrative to its new course or change some of the details we've already seen. Given how much Ocean loves suspense and reveals, I'm hoping that he'll leave leave it as isand reveal it to Willi. It could be that Leia knows already, and that's part of what Will might find out - that would explain why Leia rarely attends breakfast with the rest of the clan.

Here I will have to disagree, if it was a plot point it should be revealed in game not in a devlog, and knowing Ocean he would do just that. The changes don't seems to me plot related, I believe it will impact only characters relationship not plot point or the unfolding of the story.We also don't know if they are adopted, the devlog does not mention it we are speculating, is the path that makes more sense but we don't have confirmation

I won't go making strong statements like that myself, but the more time passes, the more it seems that he has no clue what the fuck he's doing. He has dropped the total number of chapters for each game before, which made me think the story was planned out earlier. Apparently not. How does the game being posted on other platforms suddenly mean the previous story decisions no longer make sense? I might be very fucking stupid, but this line

makes absolutely no sense to me. You either have the story mapped out, in which case it makes sense to you from the beginning. Or you're winging it all the way. In which case he perhaps needs a writer and he himself should stick to the visual aspect.

Though I dread the thought. Just imagine another rework "to make the story make more sense" a year from now. What a fucking mess. I have no one but myself to blame for liking his games.

I will give it the benefit of the doubt until I see it, it does is confusing for me. As I have said Helen -maybe scarlet- are the only characters that I imagine could have gave him trouble to write in a believable way. While change to adopted may make it easier I don't see how could be to the extent thay justifes the change. But the Steam line is what bugs me as well. If is only for characters relationship what Steam has to do with that, if it somehow is related to steam this means that patchs will come ? It does not seems lime it, the more I think the more confused I get

“Rework! A new rework is coming! It's over!"
Gawd, there's a fucking dozen lines to change, he fixed more spelling errors in the last minute hotfix.
What is the fucking difference between roommates, old friends, and siblings? In the AVN world it's the same. Jeez.
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Normally I would agree, but I think is clear that Ocean is aiming to something more than your runofthemill AVN fuck fest. This changes implies others change, while I don't think it will affect the storie it does open new aveneies of speculation.

 

[Maviarab]

I will give it the benefit of the doubt until I see it, it does is confusing for me. As I have said Helen -maybe scarlet- are the only characters that I imagine could have gave him trouble to write in a believable way. While change to adopted may make it easier I don't see how could be to the extent thay justifes the change. But the Steam line is what bugs me as well. If is only for characters relationship what Steam has to do with that, if it somehow is related to steam this means that patchs will come ? It does not seems lime it, the more I think the more confused I get

The confusing part here is really....why?

Steam doesn't care...and if they really did...still making Willi and Leia related, and we know where their relationship is going to go eventually. It's just...*shrugs*...

 

[ViperGts151]

Jesus seriously wtf has the dev ben smoking oh well into the bin this goes was good originally now its just seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on shame i liked this one.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I have said it before change whatever you want but don't touch, forget or leave Daphne.

 

[wizardcock]

What if...

- William, you have to come, my landlady is in trouble.
- Landlady? Who gives a fuck about landlady, sis. Move in with me and my girlfriend until you find a new place.
- Thank you, you're so smart, I forgive you for everything.

 

[LHDLLB]

The confusing part here is really....why?

Steam doesn't care...and if they really did...still making Willi and Leia related, and we know where their relationship is going to go eventually. It's just...*shrugs*...

I am in similar vibes. As for the why, he give two reasons:

1: the game with out patch did not work and for a steam releases you want your game to make sense.

2: Some charecters relationship did not felt natural.

the solution: Make only Leia and William blood related. that is one way to go, I just as you, can't not see how he came to this conclusion. But for now I will wait, I just think he should make some clarification regarding how it will work before the new update drops.

 

[LHDLLB]

What if...

- William, you have to come, my landlady is in trouble.
- Landlady? Who gives a fuck about landlady, sis. Move in with me and my girlfriend until you find a new place.
- Thank you, you're so smart, I forgive you for everything.

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Leia and Miru is the path that I want, sadly I don't think it will happen

 

[wizardcock]

Leia and Miru is the path that I want, sadly I don't think it will happen

I think it's real, it's just that brother and sister need to make up first.

 

[txe320]

I am in similar vibes. As for the why, he give two reasons:

1: the game with out patch did not work and for a steam releases you want your game to make sense.

2: Some charecters relationship did not felt natural.

the solution: Make only Leia and William blood related. that is one way to go, I just as you, can't not see how he came to this conclusion. But for now I will wait, I just think he should make some clarification regarding how it will work before the new update drops.

Honestly, I played both version and it's true that don't make any sense without the patch.

But, for the point #2, I think the relationships all felt natural. It's made so much more scene that they are family. That's why it's confusing as fuck why he made changes for something that's working...

 

[Ray_D]

Would you look at that, Mavi... Guess now we know why the gun was removed in SG, Ocean took it so he could endlessly shoot himself in the feet with it

It's only a matter of time now until SG overtakes WiAB as the superior VN once again
No amount of Katie is gonna save WiAB from the "everyone is adopted" retardation.

I vote for a new remake of both VN's with completely different backstories for all characters where no one is related from the get-go. And pray that whatever story Ocean originally concocted can still make a shred of sense...

You know at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to do something like that either.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I wanted to know the differences between before and after rework and I was amazed. In the rework the graphics are far better, the characters are looking far better. And are candy eye for the player.

But in the rework you are really missing some scenes! There a lot of lewd scenes cut out to bring it to steam that it is almost criminal. For me personal it is a shame the dev did this. But he wants to earn money. For me it is really a degradation of this nice game. With all this lewd it has much more potention.

So if you want to see the goodies, just download the old stuff and enjoy!

Yes, there is a lot of content still to catch up on. And some is completely new. The lewd scenes weren't cut, but it hasn't reached those parts of the story. If you consider the old version was at chapter 6 and we are only at chapter 3, there will be plenty of content. The camping trip for example, that was ch5 of the original? Lots of lewds. They still have a camping trip ahead of them. Miru wasn't at the camping trip, ahe had to leave - and we see Miru might not be around for this camping trip either.

Substantially, there's a lot more work to get to the same point the old story was. Willi's only just arrived in Wollust, 2 full days? So many more days passed in the old one.

 

[Maviarab]

Honestly, I played both version and it's true that don't make any sense without the patch.

But, for the point #2, I think the relationships all felt natural. It's made so much more scene that they are family. That's why it's confusing as fuck why he made changes for something that's working...

Yes, there is a lot of content still to catch up on. And some is completely new. The lewd scenes weren't cut, but it hasn't reached those parts of the story. If you consider the old version was at chapter 6 and we are only at chapter 3, there will be plenty of content. The camping trip for example, that was ch5 of the original? Lots of lewds. They still have a camping trip ahead of them. Miru wasn't at the camping trip, ahe had to leave - and we see Miru might not be around for this camping trip either.

Substantially, there's a lot more work to get to the same point the old story was. Willi's only just arrived in Wollust, 2 full days? So many more days passed in the old one.

 

[RNasc4444]

You know at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to do something like that either.
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I was being entirely serious though. And I've been one of the biggest haters of Oceans reworks for fucking years.

Like Ocean mentioned in the devlog some people are going to be bothered by the changes and others won't. Personally I'm on the camp of "If I need a lobotomy to enjoy a story, it's probably not a very good story". I know it's controversial but I need some sense, structure and logic in my stories in order to enjoy them. Even AVN's!!! If I wanted to beat my meat I'd just go with video format

I've never had issues with WiAB, old or new, in this regard but SG is an entirely different beast. I've tried to play without the patch and I refuse to believe there is a single soul out here capable of critical thinking and reading comprehension that thinks that shit makes any sort of sense. Even if you disregard all "Evil Modder" theories, the story was clearly written one way and is utterly devoid of logic if it tries to veer in another direction.

So with all due respect to people like yossa999, even if you can somehow make sense of a story when it changes that much, even if you think replacing words likes "sister" with "friend" magically makes it all fall into place, ignoring all sorts of previously provided context, doesn't mean everyone else can.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's see how Ocean tackles this. I'd be lying if I said I think it's gonna work when the entire game so far is predicated on Katie being Leia and Willie's sister, Dylan being their father and Helen their mother. That also applies to the rest of the family.

 

[Maviarab]

Like Ocean mentioned in the devlog some people are going to be bothered by the changes and others won't. Personally I'm on the camp of "If I need a lobotomy to enjoy a story, it's probably not a very good story". I know it's controversial but I need some sense, structure and logic in my stories in order to enjoy them. Even AVN's!!! If I wanted to beat my meat I'd just go with video format

But I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's see how Ocean tackles this. I'd be lying if I said I think it's gonna work when the entire game so far is predicated on Katie being Leia and Willie's sister, Dylan being their father and Helen their mother. That also applies to the rest of the family.

 

[Jafo]

Yes, there is a lot of content still to catch up on. And some is completely new. The lewd scenes weren't cut, but it hasn't reached those parts of the story. If you consider the old version was at chapter 6 and we are only at chapter 3, there will be plenty of content. The camping trip for example, that was ch5 of the original? Lots of lewds. They still have a camping trip ahead of them. Miru wasn't at the camping trip, ahe had to leave - and we see Miru might not be around for this camping trip either.

Substantially, there's a lot more work to get to the same point the old story was. Willi's only just arrived in Wollust, 2 full days? So many more days passed in the old one.

Okay, lets hope for the best than.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Let's see how Ocean tackles this. I'd be lying if I said I think it's gonna work when the entire game so far is predicated on Katie being Leia and Willie's sister, Dylan being their father and Helen their mother. That also applies to the rest of the family.

I just want to respond to this specifically, as you've already made a lot of sense with the rest of what you wrote there, but this bit raises an interesting question: does Ocean mean "the only blood related LI/lewdables?" It can't possibly make sense for Scarlet not to be Helen's sister, for Kat and Lucas not to be siblings, for uncle joes, no no only not be an uncle, but not be Kat's father? Then we've got Dana and Gina's brothers etc.

So if the UNcle Joe/Scarlet relations are normal, the only assumption is that Willi as the MC is onlr related to one person in the game, everything else remains in place. This means most likely some form of adoption, but it's unknown whether Willi knows of it. What it does mean is that there is a reason other than incest that is causing this change.

But hey, as Dana is now the only landlady, at least some of the more ridiculous language issues have been solved.

 

[Maviarab]

But hey, as Dana is now the only landlady

Hmmm....whut I miss?

 

[Cabin Fever]

Hmmm....whut I miss?

I assume you forgot the fact that Dana is literally renting out a place to William.