VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

I still think it's incredibly naive of you guys to keep assuming things like William being alive and well by the end of WiAB just because of a couple of lines of text in the book club scene of the other game... It's an Ocean game guys...y'all should know better by now

That's kinda partially my point - if Ocean's written those lines because he wants Willi there, it's because he isn't worried about us knowing, because he doesn't plan on going all AL on us. Or he does want to, and he doesn't mind misdirection so it hits harder. Or he hasn't decided. Obligation free quote or something?

I would not rewrite lines in a released game just to pull those sort of stunts, though whether Ocean will is another matter at this point...

The admins will ban the laugh emoji next.

What an utterly depreseeing thing for them to do, still won't ban me from laughing XD

 

[faramata]

What an utterly depreseeing thing for them to do, still won't ban me from laughing XD

I was only joking...well, half joking, I can certainly see it happening.

 

[sorco2003]

That's kinda partially my point - if Ocean's written those lines because he wants Willi there, it's because he isn't worried about us knowing, because he doesn't plan on going all AL on us. Or he does want to, and he doesn't mind misdirection so it hits harder. Or he hasn't decided. Obligation free quote or something?

I would not rewrite lines in a released game just to pull those sort of stunts, though whether Ocean will is another matter at this point...

Sorry to be pessimistic, but he's done it before and I don't think anything will stop him in the future.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Sorry to be pessimistic, but he's done it before and I don't think anything will stop him in the future.

No need to apologise, hope and pessimism are both parts of the same coin we're playing with here

 

[amir1234]

so I'm willing to give this game a try should I wait for the next update(it's been 6 months since the last update) or just download and play now?

 

[Maviarab]

so I'm willing to give this game a try should I wait for the next update(it's been 6 months since the last update) or just download and play now?

While it should not be too far away.,...Ocean be what Ocean is....just try it now. If nothing else, at least then you can join the convo and know what everyone is on about.

 

[txe320]

so I'm willing to give this game a try should I wait for the next update(it's been 6 months since the last update) or just download and play now?

Try it now because, the update can be really soon.... or not.... sooo, you just have to play it now if you don't want to wait an unexpected amount of time if Ocean decide to postponed it.

Also, with the possible rewrite/reboot or whatever people want to call that, I think it's the perfect time to play it and have all the real relationships before he change them.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I think a lot of devs have understood that bad endings , although artistic really do mess with their fan base. I can't think of a single game where there is outright loss as the canon ending. People play games generally because there's far more loss in their own lives, or negative connotations to escape. SO we inherently hope our MC will be the badass that triumphs over impossible odds ...which happens 99% of the time. At most, a bad ending means you failed objectives, so you reload and find a better path. The backlash for a genuine no way out canon ending is probably more than most devs can manage. The injustice we feel at the end of Empire Strikes Back (I remember seeing it when I was a kid when it was released) was only palatable because we had Luke escape, and we knew they would search, the story wasn't over. SO same for WiaB: even without spoilers in SG we know that it'll have a ray of hope to lead to the next game. And closure is something that precludes a good segue to the next narrative.

As you say, being 99% when someone varies it immediately becomes more interesting
Although

should we worry or rejoice?

Also, with the possible rewrite/reboot or whatever people want to call that, I think it's the perfect time to play it and have all the real relationships before he change them.

 

[BobTheDuck]

As you say, being 99% when someone varies it immediately becomes more interesting
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should we worry or rejoice?

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Further down the line = Season 5 of WiaB. There would be no value in Ocean porting choices earlier than a complete save, it's just risk too much confusion of his variables, then he'd have to keep bug fixing as he changes things in development. Maybe Season 1 WiaB will have clear choices that affect things, and those will be imported, and progressive seasons, but it's a lot of work for a slight flavour, while porting a finished save from WiaB makes sense. We're a long way from that situation.

 

[Maviarab]

We're a long way from that situation.

Looooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....

 

[sorco2003]

Further down the line = Season 5 of WiaB. There would be no value in Ocean porting choices earlier than a complete save, it's just risk too much confusion of his variables, then he'd have to keep bug fixing as he changes things in development. Maybe Season 1 WiaB will have clear choices that affect things, and those will be imported, and progressive seasons, but it's a lot of work for a slight flavour, while porting a finished save from WiaB makes sense. We're a long way from that situation.

okay, a lot of things... first, 5 seasons for WIAB? Here i lost, 7chapter per season? 10 chapter per season? I only knows WIAB will have 32 chapters or less...
Now for the juicy part, will it be worth it?
WIAB's development speed depends almost exclusively on it doing well on Steam, so it could be said that WIAB is very much at risk of ending along with SG or even after (yes, I'm putting the apocalyptic scenario, but it's good food for thought).

 

[idkthrowaway]

Where do i find the artists that made the music?

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Where do i find the artists that made the music?

In Ocean's basement...

 

[BobTheDuck]

okay, a lot of things... first, 5 seasons for WIAB? Here i lost, 7chapter per season? 10 chapter per season? I only knows WIAB will have 32 chapters or less...
Now for the juicy part, will it be worth it?
WIAB's development speed depends almost exclusively on it doing well on Steam, so it could be said that WIAB is very much at risk of ending along with SG or even after (yes, I'm putting the apocalyptic scenario, but it's good food for thought).

Yeah I think we're all lost. Wiab was 27(?) chapters in the old way of counting including half chapters I think, but maybe it was going to be three seasons, I can't remember. But with the new way of counting it's 54 chapters, but now Ocean seems to be doing enough renders for three chapters in a release. When it comes out of the oven, it'll be a chapter I guess. The numbers are just a false metric in my opinion anyway, the story can be divided however it needs - Ocean's always going to have some form of cliffhanger tension to lead to the new chapter.

It is planed on being shorter than SG, and has less LI's so less convoluted branching, but then the NTR side of it might add more complicated branching. So in reality, it's just going to be a while before there's any meaningful import option for choices to impact SG, and most of us will have already played enough SG without the imported data anyway.

I applaud the effort to carry across variables, but it's icing on the cake once it's all baked. I'm far more interested in playing ch4 to find out the how more immediate changes are resolved than I am worried about a slight flavouring to SG way down the road.

I'm not going to even try to count chapters by old or new methods. It's all chthonic algebra to me.

 

[minibaer12]

Yeah I think we're all lost. Wiab was 27(?) chapters in the old way of counting including half chapters I think, but maybe it was going to be three seasons, I can't remember. But with the new way of counting it's 54 chapters, but now Ocean seems to be doing enough renders for three chapters in a release. When it comes out of the oven, it'll be a chapter I guess. The numbers are just a false metric in my opinion anyway, the story can be divided however it needs - Ocean's always going to have some form of cliffhanger tension to lead to the new chapter.

It is planed on being shorter than SG, and has less LI's so less convoluted branching, but then the NTR side of it might add more complicated branching. So in reality, it's just going to be a while before there's any meaningful import option for choices to impact SG, and most of us will have already played enough SG without the imported data anyway.

I applaud the effort to carry across variables, but it's icing on the cake once it's all baked. I'm far more interested in playing ch4 to find out the how more immediate changes are resolved than I am worried about a slight flavouring to SG way down the road.

I'm not going to even try to count chapters by old or new methods. It's all chthonic algebra to me.

I don't give a damn how many chapters the thing has, as long as it continues. After all, we've been waiting for an update for 6 months now. We need something new to talk about.

 

[Matt2012021]

6 months last update took almost a year so a little early to see a update anytime soon

 

[LHDLLB]

okay, a lot of things... first, 5 seasons for WIAB? Here i lost, 7chapter per season? 10 chapter per season? I only knows WIAB will have 32 chapters or less...
Now for the juicy part, will it be worth it?
WIAB's development speed depends almost exclusively on it doing well on Steam, so it could be said that WIAB is very much at risk of ending along with SG or even after (yes, I'm putting the apocalyptic scenario, but it's good food for thought).

I believe Ocean mentioned that S1 will have 8 chapters, if 32 are total and every season has 8, WiaB will have 4 Seasons. If we double the chapters, as there is no more half ones -thank god- 64 chapter in 8 seasons.

About if it will end before after SG... I will be happy as long as it ends.

Yeah I think we're all lost. Wiab was 27(?) chapters in the old way of counting including half chapters I think, but maybe it was going to be three seasons, I can't remember. But with the new way of counting it's 54 chapters, but now Ocean seems to be doing enough renders for three chapters in a release. When it comes out of the oven, it'll be a chapter I guess. The numbers are just a false metric in my opinion anyway, the story can be divided however it needs - Ocean's always going to have some form of cliffhanger tension to lead to the new chapter.

It is planed on being shorter than SG, and has less LI's so less convoluted branching, but then the NTR side of it might add more complicated branching. So in reality, it's just going to be a while before there's any meaningful import option for choices to impact SG, and most of us will have already played enough SG without the imported data anyway.

I applaud the effort to carry across variables, but it's icing on the cake once it's all baked. I'm far more interested in playing ch4 to find out the how more immediate changes are resolved than I am worried about a slight flavouring to SG way down the road.

I'm not going to even try to count chapters by old or new methods. It's all chthonic algebra to me.

Yeah, I have wonder if bigger updates equals more story being covered or is Ocean fleshing out scenes already supposed to be in that chapter, and where he would use 100 render he goes for 120. No way is better than the other but I am curious, 5000 renders for a single chapter is kinda insane, I know that BaD is in this number but it also has many more branching. Either Ocean is covering 2 chapters worth of content or he really fleshed out scenes.

I am also curious to see how much the NTR will affect the branching, because I expect it to have grand impact in the story. Can't see a cucked William staying with Miru, so how the story evolves from there ?

 

[BobTheDuck]

I believe Ocean mentioned that S1 will have 8 chapters, if 32 are total and every season has 8, WiaB will have 4 Seasons. If we double the chapters, as there is no more half ones -thank god- 64 chapter in 8 seasons.

About if it will end before after SG... I will be happy as long as it ends.



Yeah, I have wonder if bigger updates equals more story being covered or is Ocean fleshing out scenes already supposed to be in that chapter, and where he would use 100 render he goes for 120. No way is better than the other but I am curious, 5000 renders for a single chapter is kinda insane, I know that BaD is in this number but it also has many more branching. Either Ocean is covering 2 chapters worth of content or he really fleshed out scenes.

I am also curious to see how much the NTR will affect the branching, because I expect it to have grand impact in the story. Can't see a cucked William staying with Miru, so how the story evolves from there ?

I don't think the number of seasons doubles with the chapters, just that Ocean has realised calling something chapter 5.5 instead of 6 is aesthetically stupid on a title frame in the game. Functionally, each update will be called a full chapter, and the same number of updates per chapter. For some reason I recall 27 chapters in the original scheme of things for WiaB, but, really, it doesn't matter. Many more is the exact number we have to wait for: as long as Ocean keeps releasing updates, I'll keep playing them. I also suspect WiaB will finish before SG - SG has a higher number of paths for LI's, so updates will have a higher number of renders.

 

[Ray_D]

As you say, being 99% when someone varies it immediately becomes more interesting
Although

should we worry or rejoice?

why, he hasn't even finished WiAB how the fuck he is going to implement that system while working on both AVNs at the same time. God, it can't be, how can one man shoot himself in the foot so many times?

 

[Dr.TSoni]

We need something new to talk about.

Will Miru's family still be ninjas or just criminals?

why, he hasn't even finished WiAB how the fuck he is going to implement that system while working on both AVNs at the same time. God, it can't be, how can one man shoot himself in the foot so many times?

For real! Considering that SG will definitely end first how should it work?