VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Didn't he write that he was passing the logs on the same day so as not to have to repeat the information?
On the other hand I am puzzled how he announces that the small scenes will have a minimum of 100 or 300... I think he should write a little more and say “some of those small scenes have a minimum of 100 renders, while others have a minimum of 300”.
I think I had opted for May-June as a possible release, but the SG log seemed to me more hopeful... makes me believe that SG is closer to completion and therefore WIAB will have a hiatus to complete the SG release.

What do you mean? The copy/paste is due to the idea that broader Ocean stuff will apply to both equally, so the sound ideas don't need to be paraphrased anew, that'd just be redundant work. He still has to release an SG only log for patreon, they won't see what he writes in the WiaB log. This will probably be his new format, the things that affect general development followed by individual game specifics.

Reading about the renders, I'm thinking the opposite way around - he's providing more concrete details about drawing close with WiaB, while SG is just drawing close. I think the usual release cycle being missed will weigh heavily on Ocean regarding WiaB, could be wrong, but currently WiaB is overdue, and SG is still on track for a release within a year of the last one (and yes, I still consider the end of the reworks as a release).

At least he is not suggesting he'll score the whole game with SFX before releasing, that's something positive (Miru's always positive).

 

[sorco2003]

What do you mean? The copy/paste is due to the idea that broader Ocean stuff will apply to both equally, so the sound ideas don't need to be paraphrased anew, that'd just be redundant work. He still has to release an SG only log for patreon, they won't see what he writes in the WiaB log. This will probably be his new format, the things that affect general development followed by individual game specifics.

Making the SG log with the general info implies that this information is going to be read by the few WIAB subs... Both logs go out at the same time in SS. There is no logic in copy/paste...
In the OT you can see how it has been in SS, seeing the posts of c.mork .

Reading about the renders, I'm thinking the opposite way around - he's providing more concrete details about drawing close with WiaB, while SG is just drawing close. I think the usual release cycle being missed will weigh heavily on Ocean regarding WiaB, could be wrong, but currently WiaB is overdue, and SG is still on track for a release within a year of the last one (and yes, I still consider the end of the reworks as a release).

At least he is not suggesting he'll score the whole game with SFX before releasing, that's something positive (Miru's always positive).

Sg is not on track... only you still believe in that. But, a few number of little scenes unfinished (60-100 render for thats scenes), a certain number of small scens (even with only two scenes it would be a minimum of 400 renders) plus the grand finale (with multiple characters) if he said is a big scene, maybe 500-600 minimum? 1100 being totally unrealistic and past copium. And that's where the works with cinematics start...

 

[BobTheDuck]

Making the SG log with the general info implies that this information is going to be read by the few WIAB subs... Both logs go out at the same time in SS. There is no logic in copy/paste...
In the OT you can see how it has been in SS, seeing the posts of c.mork .



Sg is not on track... only you still believe in that. But, a few number of little scenes unfinished (60-100 render for thats scenes), a certain number of small scens (even with only two scenes it would be a minimum of 400 renders) plus the grand finale (with multiple characters) if he said is a big scene, maybe 500-600 minimum? 1100 being totally unrealistic and past copium. And that's where the works with cinematics start...

Sure both logs go out in SS, but he has a patreon for SG, and they should get all the same general development comments. SO maybe Ocean should do 3 logs? A general that it posted to to SS and Patreon, then Wiab and SG independent? But for SS he could just do one log with both, and patreon, just cut the Wiab stuff? The downside there, is what if he gets tired and accidentally posts WiaB stuff to patreon? I don't think that'd go well for him, so it's safer this way with a bit of redundancy: this is just a question of how much work he does with copy and pasting the log. It's no big deal to skip the general, as long as there is enough game specific material to understand where his head's at regarding either game.

SG hasn't been given a release date, and I'm thinking May, a year after the steam release is still feasible. WiaB is more than a year since the last update now. What can I say? I anticipate the things that I hope for, life's disppointing enough without heaping cynicism on my shoulders.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

So I've had this game bookmarked for a bit and decided to give it a go. Apparently there is a remake, but wanted to try out the old version. See how it will stack up compared, whenever I get around to it. But I just gotta ask... what in the actual fuck was that internal dialogue? Only a few minutes in and this Miru chick seems off. Like was the old version more so a comedy/parody or something? Had me laughing at how random it felt but man. Do I need to shift expectations?

 

[BobTheDuck]

So I've had this game bookmarked for a bit and decided to give it a go. Apparently there is a remake, but wanted to try out the old version. See how it will stack up compared, whenever I get around to it. But I just gotta ask... what in the actual fuck was that internal dialogue? Only a few minutes in and this Miru chick seems off. Like was the old version more so a comedy/parody or something? Had me laughing at how random it felt but man. Do I need to shift expectations?

THe new version has a Miru that is human. The old version of Miru is nightmar inducing. The remake also doesn't follow the old plot even though it is very similar, so whatever you learn about the characters in the old version may not be true in the rework.

The old version won't be developed further, Ocean realised that it was easier to restart it than try to bring it all up to the quality he does now.

 

[Icekatana]

Hello,

So, I returned from my family trip and took an additional day off to take care of my apartment and return to the usual Wednesday Dev log.

Let’s get into the Dev Log.

Sound design.
In one of the first Dev logs for Season 2, I mentioned that I would improve the game's sound design.

In an ideal world, a game would be like a movie… However, I don’t have voice actors and would never consider getting them before the games are finished.

So, the "tone of the voice" relies on the reader's imagination. I can only influence it through expressions, music, and the composition of the images.

I personally dislike repeating playlists and would like an additional tool to transfer the right mood.

Contrasts & timing.
If you listen to a song repeatedly, it loses its power.

In future updates, I will implement ambient sounds. Not just random nature or street noises, but precise ambient sounds. There’s a clock in the room, you will hear from where it’s coming.

For example, in Summer’s Gone Chapter 2, Bella and MC are in her kitchen after the heist.

You would hear the room's ambiance, a slight buzzing from the refrigerator, a faint clock somewhere in the living room, etc.

Meanwhile, music would be used to accentuate special scenes. Or I might let it play quietly in the background?

I’ll figure this out and create polls about it. I will also have a scene in the upcoming update where I'll try out some different ideas.

Before I went to visit my family, I ordered the Tascam DR40X Audio recorder and started building my own library. “Why don’t you just buy the sounds?”

Because I’m sick of having to play Minesweeper with licenses and by building an SFX and Ambient library myself, I'll always be on the safe side.

I’ve already made several recordings, and they just need to be edited, dialed in, and sorted.

Don’t get me wrong; the game will still use a lot of music. However, sometimes less is more…

Silence with some faint ambient noises followed by a slow introduction of, for example, Vesky—Aurora has a much bigger impact on the mood of the scene than a constantly repeating playlist.

I’m still in the figuring-out phase, but my wish is that it improves immersion, especially in future cinematics.

And I'm looking forward to your feedback on it.

Season 1 - Chapter 4

Big leaps in development are happening. I've been pumping out renders left and right, up and down.

I've made some Leia renders before I went away for the week that are most likely going to be my favorite renders of the update... Even though, Miru, Helen and Katie have some aces up their sleeves, too.

Yeah, many "smaller" scenes are creeping towards an end. There's a few more smaller ones that I'll be tackling afterwards, and then the end scene. Which is a very big scene with tons of people in it. I'm looking forward to it.

Oh and when I say "smaller" scenes, I'm still talking about 100-300 render scenes minimum.

Preview:

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I’ll see you in two weeks on Christmas Eve.

Ocean

Thanks for the news, C.mork.

I have to say that I like what he plans for the sound design. If he can pull it off, it will go a long way to improving the overall atmosphere, which I already like. I'm with him 100% when he says that he doesn't like a playlist on loop. I hope he can do this the way he wants.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

THe new version has a Miru that is human. The old version of Miru is nightmar inducing. The remake also doesn't follow the old plot even though it is very similar, so whatever you learn about the characters in the old version may not be true in the rework.

The old version won't be developed further, Ocean realised that it was easier to restart it than try to bring it all up to the quality he does now.

Yea I noticed, it took very little time after those bits. For her to annoy the hell out of me. However.... I don't know if it's because I'm tired. Or maybe I've already mentally swapped this game to being viewed as a comedy. Because she has grown on me and I'm just laughing at random shit. Double however, one more question if you would. Are these people related? Because my landlady senses are tingling. I feel like the words mom, dad, brother, sister, aunt, etc. are supposed to be there. I see the incest tag but just want to be sure.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yea I noticed, it took very little time after those bits. For her to annoy the hell out of me. However.... I don't know if it's because I'm tired. Or maybe I've already mentally swapped this game to being viewed as a comedy. Because she has grown on me and I'm just laughing at random shit. Double however, one more question if you would. Are these people related? Because my landlady senses are tingling. I feel like the words mom, dad, brother, sister, aunt, etc. are supposed to be there. I see the incest tag but just want to be sure.

No one is sure anymore. Tags here are pretty meaningless as Ocean deleted his account on the site, soI don't know who manages the thread now. We have a bunch of people called Zane, and maybe it's a common name like Smith in their town, maybe not. But the abandoned work in progress (the old version) doesn't reflect the new version, and right now we're all guessing what kind of content there is ...that is, for all we know Helen is a legitimate landlady, and Leia moved out to make money instead of paying rent.

More seriously, since Ocean's patreon for WiaB got nuked by patreon, we don't know what the story will be, we're all guessing based on the little that is revealed in the devlogs.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

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[Maviarab]

but currently WiaB is overdue, and SG is still on track for a release within a year of the last one (and yes, I still consider the end of the reworks as a release).

Sg is not on track

Very...very overdue...I'll say again, one would think it's Steam release would be a priority right now (when did I last say that...2 months ago now???)...but it would seem not....but then I'm not Ocean, I'm organised, prioritise the shit I need to do and don't chase squirrels every time I see one and then go and do something else when the thought came to me....

But what do I know?

SG update was promised...promised....to be out by the end of the year. WIAB we were told, would have an update before that. So I'll say it again, while I don't think Ocean will ever disappear...he is very much in danger from both sets of fans...for once again failing to deliver a product....failing to deliver it on time...and prioritising one over the other just annoying each VN's fan base. This isn't a case of medical VN Dev'itis (which seems to be a particularly hazardous and contagious disease)...it's a case of....sorry, what I was tlaking about again? Oh...squirrel...

If he continues to still operate in such a manner, it will affect him sooner or later.

(or maybe I'm just pissed we still don't have an update, still don't have more katie and fucking SG is still taking priority over something that it shouldn't right now).

 

[BobTheDuck]

Very...very overdue...I'll say again, one would think it's Steam release would be a priority right now (when did I last say that...2 months ago now???)...but it would seem not....but then I'm not Ocean, I'm organised, prioritise the shit I need to do and don't chase squirrels every time I see one and then go and do something else when the thought came to me....

But what do I know?

SG update was promised...promised....to be out by the end of the year. WIAB we were told, would have an update before that. So I'll say it again, while I don't think Ocean will ever disappear...he is very much in danger from both sets of fans...for once again failing to deliver a product....failing to deliver it on time...and prioritising one over the other just annoying each VN's fan base. This isn't a case of medical VN Dev'itis (which seems to be a particularly hazardous and contagious disease)...it's a case of....sorry, what I was tlaking about again? Oh...squirrel...

If he continues to still operate in such a manner, it will affect him sooner or later.

(or maybe I'm just pissed we still don't have an update, still don't have more katie and fucking SG is still taking priority over something that it shouldn't right now).

Yes, 100%. I understand the scope changed, but we didn't need the biggest update. Ocean releases WiaB as early access and he gets my money, instead of me downloading it here. It seems a pretty straightforward business decision to make. And all those SG people on Steam, give them 5% off early access to get new people interested who don't know anything about WiaB.

I guess the reason we talk about Katie so much, is because she is the bright light that makes Ocean's idiosyncrasies seem okay

 

[RNasc4444]

Very...very overdue...I'll say again, one would think it's Steam release would be a priority right now (when did I last say that...2 months ago now???)...but it would seem not....but then I'm not Ocean, I'm organised, prioritise the shit I need to do and don't chase squirrels every time I see one and then go and do something else when the thought came to me....

But what do I know?

SG update was promised...promised....to be out by the end of the year. WIAB we were told, would have an update before that. So I'll say it again, while I don't think Ocean will ever disappear...he is very much in danger from both sets of fans...for once again failing to deliver a product....failing to deliver it on time...and prioritising one over the other just annoying each VN's fan base. This isn't a case of medical VN Dev'itis (which seems to be a particularly hazardous and contagious disease)...it's a case of....sorry, what I was tlaking about again? Oh...squirrel...

If he continues to still operate in such a manner, it will affect him sooner or later.

(or maybe I'm just pissed we still don't have an update, still don't have more katie and fucking SG is still taking priority over something that it shouldn't right now).

 

[imagica]

Yes, 100%. I understand the scope changed, but we didn't need the biggest update.

What we NEED are numbers. The development of current episodes should be pretty deep. Instead of some ambiguous shit, what we need is render count - how much is done, how much is in progress, how much is left (approx). What is the render count progress each week? What about animations? Sex scenes animations may be? This is not a freaking Splinter Cell game, Ocena can be at least more informative almost a year after last release. Every time I read his current dev logs, I am happy I am not a patron anymore.

 

[Maviarab]

What we NEED are numbers. The development of current episodes should be pretty deep. Instead of some ambiguous shit, what we need is render count - how much is done, how much is in progress, how much is left (approx). What is the render count progress each week? What about animations? Sex scenes animations may be? This is not a freaking Splinter Cell game, Ocena can be at least more informative almost a year after last release. Every time I read his current dev logs, I am happy I am not a patron anymore.

All fair and valid points indeed.

I'd be happy to sub again in the future but I'd really need convincing he has his shit together at least and we start getting reliable and consistant updates first.

 

[drooopy]

I haven't been on this thread since forever, I assume dev bought the workstation.

I can already see the benefits.

0 x workstation = still 0

 

[alanrock]

All I want for Christmas is to corrupt Miru... sigh.

 

[Maviarab]

Katie's opinion on all this!

 

[Audi4Rings]

Very...very overdue...I'll say again, one would think it's Steam release would be a priority right now (when did I last say that...2 months ago now???)...but it would seem not....but then I'm not Ocean, I'm organised, prioritise the shit I need to do and don't chase squirrels every time I see one and then go and do something else when the thought came to me....

But what do I know?

SG update was promised...promised....to be out by the end of the year. WIAB we were told, would have an update before that. So I'll say it again, while I don't think Ocean will ever disappear...he is very much in danger from both sets of fans...for once again failing to deliver a product....failing to deliver it on time...and prioritising one over the other just annoying each VN's fan base. This isn't a case of medical VN Dev'itis (which seems to be a particularly hazardous and contagious disease)...it's a case of....sorry, what I was tlaking about again? Oh...squirrel...

If he continues to still operate in such a manner, it will affect him sooner or later.

(or maybe I'm just pissed we still don't have an update, still don't have more katie and fucking SG is still taking priority over something that it shouldn't right now).

the more I hear about SG it makes me less inclined to even try it. the opinion on the game is all over the place.

 

[Zane Truesdale]

the more I hear about SG it makes me less inclined to even try it. the opinion on the game is all over the place.

I think you should try if you want. Even though I agree with many things said, the game is great and worth to play.

 

[Maviarab]

the more I hear about SG it makes me less inclined to even try it. the opinion on the game is all over the place.

A bigger problem you have, especially here on this site is that:

Both VN's have their sets or ardent fans,
Sets of fans who 'tolerate' the other VN (which is where I sit, I play SG 'purely' because it's a sequel to this) and...
Sets of fans who despise the other VN for a variety of reasons (I also slip into this section from time to time).

It's a good VN, one of the better ones. Has it had issues? Yes...do many prefer the pre-rework SG? Yes and many are vocal about that. Do we all share a common interest in Ocean's work and world? Very much so. Would I recommend you to try it? Yes.

Is Katie and WIAb the far better VN? Damn right it is