VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[Krytax123]

See that's the thing, Ocean by having Leia as a relative says WiaB has potential incest. So adoption then is because adoption suits the story he wishes to tell. What if the change ISN'T completely about santising WiaB, but because it was getting more cumbersome to the way he's developing the antagonist, or the NTR aspect? We really don't know until we see it, but if Leia is blood, then it's a change of the broader arc of the story, not for the fetish getting in the way.

So to extrapolate on your Helen thing - Willi feels it's wrong, Helen doesn't. If he doesn't know he's adopted, that explains the weirdness. Or a million other avenues. I'm okay with seeing how Ocean pulls it together. He does have the subtlety to make it work without changing anything, even if in some cases he misses really obvious things, and is unsubtle with cup sizes and gratuitious nipple rings...

Siegbert scratch it all, nah, we're all doomed!!!

As i said, i if we get a adoption storyline im 100% good with it (that said it should still maybe feel wrong/weird for a adoptive mom to wanna fuck her adoptive son ).

I just hope youre right and its a easy and more or less simple change like that (from blood related to adopted) and he will clarify that (the relations). I simply doubt it and dont share your optimism towards that, imo its way more reasonable that its incest/patreon related and a similar deal like the Nika/Nami/Noji situation.

My first thought was that it was to get rid of incest in SG but it would only change something if Nami would be Katie's daughter (or Helen's ) or im missing something.

 

[LHDLLB]

You're right. Whisky, and late night musings while everyone else is in their day or whatever....

Currently we have CH3, and it makes sense. We don't have Ch4, only a redacted devlog that threw a stone in the road of our thoughts. Ch4 playable shows what Ocean will do, not any of our theories.

...I'll sleep before coffe though. Just emoji coffee



#teamalwayshavebeen



I'm pretty sure he agreed to Leia straight way, then worked it out with Miru. Then once there, he decides to move back. He reacts in the moment, like he creampies Mon, then walks away with whatever revelation he has. His history is acting in the moment without thinking through.

Willi literally has Leia ask him three times in the phone conversation to come home because SHE needs him.

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There's no discussion with Miru, no working things out. He drops his plans because of his twin. Which hasn't changed. Her excuse is Helen, but she guilt trips him with HER need of him. Willi asks about Helen, and Leia is vague and keeps deflecting with needing Him back now. Emotional leverage, knowing he gets emotional and will give in.



See that's the thing, Ocean by having Leia as a relative says WiaB has potential incest. So adoption then is because adoption suits the story he wishes to tell. What if the change ISN'T completely about santising WiaB, but because it was getting more cumbersome to the way he's developing the antagonist, or the NTR aspect? We really don't know until we see it, but if Leia is blood, then it's a change of the broader arc of the story, not for the fetish getting in the way.

So to extrapolate on your Helen thing - Willi feels it's wrong, Helen doesn't. If he doesn't know he's adopted, that explains the weirdness. Or a million other avenues. I'm okay with seeing how Ocean pulls it together. He does have the subtlety to make it work without changing anything, even if in some cases he misses really obvious things, and is unsubtle with cup sizes and gratuitious nipple rings...

Siegbert scratch it all, nah, we're all doomed!!!

Sure but he still has a day to leave, he spends that day thinking about it and still chooses to go. He did not drop everything and is in Wollust. Not denying any of what you said but he has time to think if is something that he really wants to do.

 

[Allenebs]

So i STRONGLY disagree that the only purpose of the family/relationships is a incest purpose

Well, you're wrong. U4IA has a similar bit where the MC's childhood best friend, whom he saved when they were very young, came back after joining the military and leaving on a combat deployment to save his life. There are countless quotes about "The family you choose" having stronger ties than the family you're born to. Even in this story, there are several characters who clearly aren't family who still have incredibly close bonds to the presumed family. These type of relationships are especially common in rural communities, like the one this story takes place in. There are times where even the kids are working side by side 18-20hrs a day to get the harvest in on theirs, their friends and neighbors farms in first world countries to this day.

To be blunt, there are parts of my family that would literally require at least one death for the bonds to begin to mend. That's what happens when someone in the family tries to kill family members and their mother and son commit perjury to get a plea deal.

At this point people are purely fighting over this due to the fetish bc it can not exist on Ocean's preferred platform. And this is VERY clearly fetishism, as was pointed out that fetishes are compulsory. And people refuse to let go of it despite Ocean apparently saying he's moving away from incest intentionally to prevent the past from repeating itself.

Lets be real, mommy wanting to bang her baby boy is far more twisted than twins wanting to slap flappies. As a parent to twin girls, separation anxiety isn't something to wait to deal with. William running away bc Katie is blackmailing him for diddling his twin doesn't really work in a situation where mommy is horny for her son.

 

[Krytax123]

Well, you're wrong. U4IA has a similar bit where the MC's childhood best friend, whom he saved when they were very young, came back after joining the military and leaving on a combat deployment to save his life. There are countless quotes about "The family you choose" having stronger ties than the family you're born to. Even in this story, there are several characters who clearly aren't family who still have incredibly close bonds to the presumed family. These type of relationships are especially common in rural communities, like the one this story takes place in. There are times where even the kids are working side by side 18-20hrs a day to get the harvest in on theirs, their friends and neighbors farms in first world countries to this day.

To be blunt, there are parts of my family that would literally require at least one death for the bonds to begin to mend. That's what happens when someone in the family tries to kill family members and their mother and son commit perjury to get a plea deal.

At this point people are purely fighting over this due to the fetish bc it can not exist on Ocean's preferred platform. And this is VERY clearly fetishism, as was pointed out that fetishes are compulsory. And people refuse to let go of it despite Ocean apparently saying he's moving away from incest intentionally to prevent the past from repeating itself.

Lets be real, mommy wanting to bang her baby boy is far more twisted than twins wanting to slap flappies. As a parent to twin girls, separation anxiety isn't something to wait to deal with. William running away bc Katie is blackmailing him for diddling his twin doesn't really work in a situation where mommy is horny for her son.

Bro read again what i wrote, i dont know what youre replying to with that unrelated stuff

What exactly do you think i said im wrong about?

 

[yossa999]

As i said, i if we get a adoption storyline im 100% good with it (that said it should still maybe feel wrong/weird for a adoptive mom to wanna fuck her adoptive son ).

I just hope youre right and its a easy and more or less simple change like that (from blood related to adopted) and he will clarify that (the relations). I simply doubt it and dont share your optimism towards that, imo its way more reasonable that its incest/patreon related and a similar deal like the Nika/Nami/Noji situation.

My first thought was that it was to get rid of incest in SG but it would only change something if Nami would be Katie's daughter (or Helen's ) or im missing something.

Out of reactions.

Frankly, I don't see any practical point in arguing about this. Both games are at the stage where the introduction is finished, and now the real story should begin. Both updates are announced to be twice as big as usual. All the reworks are finished. It will be possible to judge the change of direction (or not) only after these updates.

But I promise you, I will enjoy them, no matter who the characters end up being to each other!

 

[BobTheDuck]

Sure but he still has a day to leave, he spends that day thinking about it and still chooses to go. He did not drop everything and is in Wollust. Not denying any of what you said but he has time to think if is something that he really wants to do.

This is all the night of the phonecall - phonecall, then bar. The only time leaving is questioned is when asked by the bartender, and William replies he'll regret it for the rest of his life. Then immediately after, he's asking Daphne to take care of Gefritzel. Back home the same night, he realises that if it's too much he can just run back. The choice was made the same night as the phonecall, a couple of hours after, there's no second guessing, just procrastinating to build up courage and face the past. So the decision was made sometime between getting the first drink and seeing Daphne.



Next morning, shower, get ready and go.



It's the relocating that takes him a couple of days to decide.

 

[LHDLLB]

This is all the night of the phonecall - phonecall, then bar. The only time leaving is questioned is when asked by the bartender, and William replies he'll regret it for the rest of his life. Then immediately after, he's asking Daphne to take care of Gefritzel. Back home the same night, he realises that if it's too much he can just run back. The choice was made the same night as the phonecall, a couple of hours after, there's no second guessing, just procrastinating to build up courage and face the past. So the decision was made sometime between getting the first drink and seeing Daphne.

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Next morning, shower, get ready and go.

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It's the relocating that takes him a couple of days to decide.

Not negating any of that. But what I am trying to get at is how long does a impulse lasts ? If you decides to kill me in a impulse and has the hard work of finding me is, coming to my country, state, city, house is it still a impulse ?

What I am trying to say is that between the phonecall and the trip he could have changed his mind, he dint. Not negating the reasons or the emotional blackmail from Leia, but I don't see it much as a impulse decidion, not with a 24h between the decision and the action. But we can disagree over that, just means that we will have slightly different views of William, it is not much of a problem.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Not negating any of that. But what I am trying to get at is how long does a impulse lasts ? If you decides to kill me in a impulse and has the hard work of finding me is, coming to my country, state, city, house is it still a impulse ?

What I am trying to say is that between the phonecall and the trip he could have changed his mind, he dint. Not negating the reasons or the emotional blackmail from Leia, but I don't see it much as a impulse decidion, not with a 24h between the decision and the action. But we can disagree over that, just means that we will have slightly different views of William, it is not much of a problem.

You're right in the semantics aren't worth it. I'll stop on this particular topic.

 

[BobTheDuck]

If anyone wants to message a mod to get them to add yossa's devlog links page to the OP, feel free. The mods accepted the SG one, but rejected my request for WiaB.

The post is here: Dev logs

 

[Maviarab]

If anyone wants to message a mod to get them to add yossa's devlog links page to the OP, feel free. The mods accepted the SG one, but rejected my request for WiaB.

The post is here: Dev logs

Probably be better if Yossa does it, I always msg myself for my own stuff. Wonder why they rejected it?

 

[sorco2003]

Probably be better if Yossa does it, I always msg myself for my own stuff. Wonder why they rejected it?

One could theorize that the amount of traffic is not worth the effort.

 

[yossa999]

Probably be better if Yossa does it, I always msg myself for my own stuff. Wonder why they rejected it?

Ah, that's not a big deal, one can just bookmark it and it's done. I understand the moderators, it's for security reasons, they should either claim ownership of the page or make sure I don't replace its content with a flying dick animation

 

[BobTheDuck]

One could theorize that the amount of traffic is not worth the effort.

The effort of making a hyperlink? They do that each day for new games that don't have any traffic yet. Or maybe the effort of rejecting my request used up their reacts? I'm going to take it personal of course. WiaB is not to blame.

 

[stiltoboglovian412]

Man, when the update eventually drops there better at least be some semblance of NTR.

 

[Mortarion]

So only Leia and William are related now.

And even that is out of the window now..

That particular part of the devlog was - even on SS - removed roughly 12 hours later.

 

[sorco2003]

And even that is out of the window now..

That particular part of the devlog was - even on SS - removed roughly 12 hours later.

Throwing the stone and hiding the hand only adds fuel to our feverish minds.

 

[LHDLLB]

Man, when the update eventually drops there better at least be some semblance of NTR.

I fear that you will be disappointed my friend. Maybe if you are in a open relationship and your Miru is really horny she might fuck someone on her trip.

 

[Zhileps]

In terms of story depth, dialogue writing and character development

 

[Maviarab]

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In terms of story depth, dialogue writing and character development

Ohh you're so fucking hilarious....

Go away.

 

[LHDLLB]

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In terms of story depth, dialogue writing and character development

I mean. I really, really like Ocean games. Is not perfect but is by far my favorite AVN dev, he has a real talent for character writing and setting up a atmosphere and I love his games.

But I don't know if he could write a Blood Baron. Maybe, is not that I don't think he can. I just need to see more, both story are on their initial stanges.