VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[yossa999]

Wait, what? That doesn't add up. It was confirmed by Abigail that Helen is Leia's mother, so if MC is related to Leia, doesn't that automatically mean he is also related to Helen, Dylan and Katie?

The relationships are so damn weird after the rework. Like, is William a Zane or not? Because if he is, then it makes no sense to change it, if he isn't, then it doesn't even fit the narrative cause his relationship with Leia wouldn't cause all that mess. Is Helen is mother or not? Because it doesn't really seem that way in the game, but if she isn't, then it wouldn't make sense for William to be this close to the family or his parting causing this much pain to them.

Is he like a childhood friend of Leia who got adopted into the family or is he still Leia's twin brother? Seriously, I understand Ocean was forced to do this because patreon change of rules, but the relationships in the game are so vague that it's quite frustrating.

Relationships are a bitter thing, bro. They lead to banning of Patreon accounts and loss of all subscribers. That's why there are no relationships in this game. And the fact that there are so many Zanes is just a weird coincidence. Look, in Scotland, half the people are Mackenzies and the other half are Campbells, and should we ban them all for that?

But now that Ocean has decided to make at least two characters related, we have something to work with. For the rest, we'd better ask RNasc4444, he came up with the Adoption Theory, and no one understands it fully except him.

 

[Maviarab]

should we ban them all for that?

Yes....yes we should...

*laughs manically*

 

[Krytax123]

Wait, what? That doesn't add up. It was confirmed by Abigail that Helen is Leia's mother, so if MC is related to Leia, doesn't that automatically mean he is also related to Helen, Dylan and Katie?

The relationships are so damn weird after the rework. Like, is William a Zane or not? Because if he is, then it makes no sense to change it, if he isn't, then it doesn't even fit the narrative cause his relationship with Leia wouldn't cause all that mess. Is Helen is mother or not? Because it doesn't really seem that way in the game, but if she isn't, then it wouldn't make sense for William to be this close to the family or his parting causing this much pain to them.

Is he like a childhood friend of Leia who got adopted into the family or is he still Leia's twin brother? Seriously, I understand Ocean was forced to do this because patreon change of rules, but the relationships in the game are so vague that it's quite frustrating.

And why the fuck is Ayua a Zane and Katie her Aunt if neither Willy nor Miru are Zane's

Im so curious about the next update and the changes, cant wait for more of the story of William not-Zane and the not-Zane dynasty.

A year ago we discussed if Nika is a Zane, now were discussing if even William is a Zane, were kinda moving backwards

 

[Miranha157]

Wait, what? That doesn't add up. It was confirmed by Abigail that Helen is Leia's mother, so if MC is related to Leia, doesn't that automatically mean he is also related to Helen, Dylan and Katie?

The relationships are so damn weird after the rework. Like, is William a Zane or not? Because if he is, then it makes no sense to change it, if he isn't, then it doesn't even fit the narrative cause his relationship with Leia wouldn't cause all that mess. Is Helen is mother or not? Because it doesn't really seem that way in the game, but if she isn't, then it wouldn't make sense for William to be this close to the family or his parting causing this much pain to them.

Is he like a childhood friend of Leia who got adopted into the family or is he still Leia's twin brother? Seriously, I understand Ocean was forced to do this because patreon change of rules, but the relationships in the game are so vague that it's quite frustrating.

If he's going to change the narrative, he'll have to change a lot of the dialogue from chapters 1 - 3, and like if Ayua herself in SG mentions that Kátie Zane is her aunt, then William is a Zane, about Leia in the club Nojiko's friend comments on the Zanes I don't remember the dialogue well but it was like "wow it's been a while since a Zane appeared" she also mentions Leia, so even up until S1 of SG and Chapter 3 of WIAB they are relatives/siblings, you choose. For me changing the narrative or not I'll play knowing that they are Zanes, siblings, father and mother and whatever else they have to do with kinship.

 

[RNasc4444]

Wait, what? That doesn't add up

A summary of Ocean's storytelling in a few simple words.

For the rest, we'd better ask @RNasc4444, he came up with the Adoption Theory

 

[Jarulf]

I think we can all agree that its all inzane.

 

[alanrock]

All Wollust inhabitants are descendants of Adam and Eve. Screw you Patreon.

 

[rudy007]

All Wollust inhabitants are descendants of Adam and Eve. Screw you Patreon.

Yeah, and Gefritzel was there too... And an apple...

 

[theduke9999]

the only issue with ocean's VN's SG and WIAB is as the stories develop there are so many routes and LI's now in both games that we will be lucky to get an update a year if that. its 8 VN's in one for both VN's . but it will take so long between each update that i wonder how long it will be before its too much to develop and burn out develops

 

[Miranha157]

Part 2 will follow as soon as bibi Daphne hits me again.

Part 1 will be released for all supporters. Part 2, however, will be for the designated tiers.

Did he ever do this part 2? I'm curious

 

[Miranha157]

I looked at all the devs 1 - 21, Ocean really likes Katie, it's strange that he didn't do a preview of Daphne(he did a candy), Donna, Gina, Monica or Dylan. But he did this Japanese girl with Emilio, I'm curious why her and not any other.

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

I looked at all the devs 1 - 21, Ocean really likes Katie, it's strange that he didn't do a preview of Daphne(he did a candy), Donna, Gina, Monica or Dylan. But he did this Japanese girl with Emilio, I'm curious why her and not any other.

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It's possible that Daphne isn't in the update. She's in w/e city Willi/Miru were living in and we probably won't see her till they find a place & go back to get their stuff.

 

[Miranha157]

It's possible that Daphne isn't in the update. She's in w/e city Willi/Miru were living in and we probably won't see her till they find a place & go back to get their stuff.

Maybe, but Miru went on a trip, didn't she? From what I remember, she needed to resolve something in the city... Maybe Daphne decides to visit William to try to change his mind. I wanted to know more about her and how they met because she seems to be a fundamental piece of William's past, just like Miru was.

 

[BobTheDuck]

And why the fuck is Ayua a Zane and Katie her Aunt if neither Willy nor Miru are Zane's

Im so curious about the next update and the changes, cant wait for more of the story of William not-Zane and the not-Zane dynasty.

A year ago we discussed if Nika is a Zane, now were discussing if even William is a Zane, were kinda moving backwards

If he's going to change the narrative, he'll have to change a lot of the dialogue from chapters 1 - 3, and like if Ayua herself in SG mentions that Kátie Zane is her aunt, then William is a Zane, about Leia in the club Nojiko's friend comments on the Zanes I don't remember the dialogue well but it was like "wow it's been a while since a Zane appeared" she also mentions Leia, so even up until S1 of SG and Chapter 3 of WIAB they are relatives/siblings, you choose. For me changing the narrative or not I'll play knowing that they are Zanes, siblings, father and mother and whatever else they have to do with kinship.

So... because this 'change' (that was also changed and redacted, true to form) happened after Ch3, instead of just adoption, roommates, landlords and friends we have that other required

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Jokes aside, if it pulls together as a great story, it really doesn't matter to me. After all, can anyone explain to me how the old WiaB plot was consistently brilliant and made sense? At very least, we'll have a more cohesive plot that the original. The NTR and roommates aspects were features more than direct plot devices - they happened while Willi was trying to find out what happened to Helen. Willi's doing more to find out what has been going on in this new version than the old. In my mind, the plot has become more central, rather than a skeleton in the closet to hang all the juicy fetishes on.

About the possible change, we won't know how deep the change goes until we see the update, and what it does to ch 1-3. I suspect the reason for less precise render numbers is Ocean is not telling us how he's implementing the change which might include reworking renders, Ocean being Ocean. I am fully prepared to play from the start and mentally forget all I can and treat it like day 1 ...again. If it's stronger for it, then all worked out well.

My head canon and expectations are the least important part of Ocean's development. He can mess with me as long as it keeps improving in some way. It's the subs' expectations that Ocean should take into consideration.

 

[Miranha157]

Brincadeiras à parte, se for uma ótima história, realmente não importa para mim. Afinal, alguém pode me explicar como o antigo enredo de WiaB era consistentemente brilhante e fazia sentido? No mínimo, teremos um enredo mais coeso que o original. Os aspectos de NTR e colegas de quarto eram mais características do que dispositivos diretos do enredo - eles aconteceram enquanto Willi tentava descobrir o que aconteceu com Helen. Willi está fazendo mais para descobrir o que está acontecendo nesta nova versão do que na antiga. Na minha opinião, o enredo se tornou mais central, em vez de um esqueleto no armário para pendurar todos os fetiches suculentos.

For me he could stick NTR where the sun doesn't shine, but I still want to try those big breasts of Leia and Helen, let's not forget Dana kkkkkkk

 

[BobTheDuck]

I looked at all the devs 1 - 21, Ocean really likes Katie, it's strange that he didn't do a preview of Daphne(he did a candy), Donna, Gina, Monica or Dylan. But he did this Japanese girl with Emilio, I'm curious why her and not any other.

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Oh forgot to mention, I suspect that Leia gets Emilio to use Riri as a trap for William, maybe to try and get him to cheat on Miru, low light, mistaken identity vibes. Or maybe that's how Ocean brings in Miru's relatives and their potential plot line. Miru means something like 'beautiful/pretty view' from what I can google, while Riri might mean 'sound' or 'lily' or 'jasmine' (the flowers). But if we have sight and sound, that would be a really cool connection. Katie does say "Miru is very pretty." when talking about modelling with Kat at breakfast, so that kinda suggests Ocean does think of the meanings - but there's too many potential meanings to be certain, and google's never a great test of truth.

I think it's pertinent that Zoey remarks about how rare blue eyed asians are (and Scarlet notes Miru's eyes as well), and suddenly we have a second.

 

[yossa999]

And why the fuck is Ayua a Zane and Katie her Aunt if neither Willy nor Miru are Zane's

Im so curious about the next update and the changes, cant wait for more of the story of William not-Zane and the not-Zane dynasty.

A year ago we discussed if Nika is a Zane, now were discussing if even William is a Zane, were kinda moving backwards

I mean, I'm not criticizing but I really don't understand why the blood relationships are important for this story.

For example, there is a game where MC lived in a foster family when he was a teenager. He became very attached to them and considered them his family and thought he was as important to them as they were to him. But as soon as the wife managed to get pregnant (not from MC, damn perverts) and the foster couple began to preparing for the birth of their own child - they threw MC out of house into the cold without regret!

This event from the past became the basis for many problems and conflicts in MC's life. It explains why he can't build serious relationships in the present, why he is obsessed with the idea of reuniting with his possible relatives, although next to him are people who have been with him all his life, always treated him like family and whom he hurts with his neglect.

I can understand why it's important to a plot like this, but WiAB... The only purpose of their relationship is an incest fetish and nothing more. Well, bummer on you, uncle-daddies.

As for the explanation of the changes, this sounds like the simplest thing, to me. Although I am not a much of storyteller, but what prevents even me from coming up with any explanation after the fact.

Who said that Lord Zane isn't Zane now? Who stripped him of his title?

He's not blood-related to Helen Zane, so what? They took the twins from orphanage as their foster children and gave them their name. Maybe Willie and Leia don't even know who their real parents are or what their last name is. So they chose Zane with the consent of the foster family, that sounds better than Doe.

What a plot hole, my ass...

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I mean, I'm not criticizing but I really don't understand why the blood relationships are important for this story.

Because until now everything revolves around the Zane family dynamics.
-Leia and William were in a relationship even though they were twins.
-Because of Katie's "blackmail", William ran away.
-Helen and Dylan don't know the situation well but they wonder where they went wrong as parents since their son didn't trust them and ran away.
-Despite all these dramas William has returned because something happened to his mother

He's not blood-related to Helen Zane, so what? They took the twins from orphanage as their foster children and gave them their name. Maybe Willie and Leia don't even know who their real parents are or what their last name is. So they chose Zane with the consent of the foster family, that sounds better than Doe.

Under normal circumstances I would totally agree with you but... Ocean, Nika and Nami are a precedent everything in their relationship is built to be a forbidden relationship a "game that can only end badly" and Ocean has never adjusted to make it a more plausible "it might ruin our friendship"

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[yossa999]

Because until now everything revolves around the Zane family dynamics.

So only Leia and William are related now.
Leia and William were in a relationship even though they were twins. This left unchanged.

Because of Katie's "blackmail", William ran away. This left unchanged. This makes it even more plausible that these bitches would target Katie, who is not only the youngest, but not even a biological sister.

Helen and Dyland don't know the situation well but they wonder where they went wrong as parents since their son didn't trust them and ran away. Okay, now they're foster parents. Should they not care about the kid who is under their care and whom they raised as their own? Their reaction seems natural to me.

Despite all these dramas William has returned because something happened to his mother. He ran away not because he didn't like his foster family or felt uncomfortable around them, but because he was afraid that being exposed would hurt everyone - both the adoptive parents and his twin sister. He wanted her to stay with them, because he believed that this would be best for her.

As usual, it's fear of imagined consequences, 9 out of 10 melodramas revolve around this trick. The character either doesn't say something that needs to be said for fear of judgment, or does or doesn't do something for the same reason. In the end, it turns out that his fears were not worth a damn, but became the cause of all the events shown in the film.

So what unique family dynamic is now lost that the game is completely R-U-I-N-E-D?

Under normal circumstances I would totally agree with you but... Ocean, Nika and Nami are a set back everything in their relationship and built to be a forbidden relationship a "game that can only end badly" and Ocean has never adjusted to make it a more plausible "it might ruin our friendship"

Um... "When Harry Met Sally", "Friends with Benefits" and hundreds of similar comedies and melodramas, aren't they all based on the fact that the characters avoid romantic relationships because "it might ruin our friendship". No matter that they always end up fucking like rabbits, they always feel awkward about it, like they're doing something forbidden.

 

[LHDLLB]

So only Leia and William are related now.
Leia and William were in a relationship even though they were twins. This left unchanged.

Because of Katie's "blackmail", William ran away. This left unchanged. This makes it even more plausible that these bitches would target Katie, who is not only the youngest, but not even a biological sister.

Helen and Dyland don't know the situation well but they wonder where they went wrong as parents since their son didn't trust them and ran away. Okay, now they're foster parents. Should they not care about the kid who is under their care and whom they raised as their own? Their reaction seems natural to me.

Despite all these dramas William has returned because something happened to his mother. He ran away not because he didn't like his foster family or felt uncomfortable around them, but because he was afraid that being exposed would hurt everyone - both the adoptive parents and his twin sister. He wanted her to stay with them, because he believed that this would be best for her.

As usual, it's fear of imagined consequences, 9 out of 10 melodramas revolve around this trick. The character either doesn't say something that needs to be said for fear of judgment, or does or doesn't do something for the same reason. In the end, it turns out that his fears were not worth a damn, but became the cause of all the events shown in the film.

So what unique family dynamic is now lost that the game is completely R-U-I-N-E-D?

Um... "When Harry Met Sally", "Friends with Benefits" and hundreds of similar comedies and melodramas, aren't they all based on the fact that the characters avoid romantic relationships because "it might ruin our friendship". No matter that they always end up fucking like rabbits, they always feel awkward about it, like they're doing something forbidden.

The family one. William is not related to anyone but Leia, by law or blood. We know that TOS does not discrimate if there is a "Step" before or not. Making William adopted changes nothing. William can't be related to Helen and fuck her, in any way.

Regarding Nika and Nami that would be fine. But the game does not threats it like we will ruin or friendship