VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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Gumshoe08

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I was happy to see new update for this game, but sad to read that there's been so much rewriting of the original story. It's pity when devs start messing with their story so much that it completely changes from what it was.
Rewriting and reworking is Ocean's whole schtick. Watch as he rework this and SG again when he hit another writers block. Both games have been up for years now that its ridiculous that it both hasn't reach the story's midway point.

At this point WAS THERE EVEN A STORY? seems like just a bunch of loose ideas thrown in together.
 

bob69696

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And 12 full releases...but let's not obfuscate facts with a good trash post eh?

Was also Oct 29th...so for the sake of math let's just say Nov shall we? So, 81 months, divide by 12 'full releases' (not counting betas and/or bug fix releases) makes a release every 6.75 months.

Now, is there anything else you'd like to (incorrectly) try and make a point about?
You make it sound like the last 4 times haven't completely rewritten major aspects of the plot. At some point you have to ask whether or not it's worth it because I can't remember which iteration of the plot were on. We're pretty much just playing drafts at this point.
 

Maccabbee

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The group's people are worried about NTR, fuck his cuckold fetish. What I'm worried about is that Ocean has changed the entire plot of the game, we're simply going to have a new rework in SG lol. Explain to me now Ayua's speech calling Katie Zane aunt.
They're still "family", just not family. Katie is a "real" Zane, as are Kata and her parents and brother. Leia and MC were raised by the Zanes as wards, but not adopted. The relationships are emotionally the same. Some of it is stupid, but plausible in the world Ocean's created. Crime Families have rules and their own cultural quirks. They're not as out there as some other crime family games.

I am almost done with my first playthrough of the new version and content. I like it, for the most part. The new UI is a bit annoying, and the sex animations are high quality, but mostly boring and static. The story and characters are still good. I am not upset that I bought it on Steam.
 

jimtra

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I'm having issues with the game scenes that are repeating over and over I've downloaded the game from 3 sites and even the one I bought on Steam I still get it, is anyone else having that problem and I don't have any Mods installed?
 

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You make it sound like the last 4 times haven't completely rewritten major aspects of the plot. At some point you have to ask whether or not it's worth it because I can't remember which iteration of the plot were on. We're pretty much just playing drafts at this point.
4 times?

Goodbye troll.
 

Miranha157

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In my opinion, Ocean wanted to kill WiAB but couldn't kill him blatantly, so he made this update this way so we could drop out of the game for good.
 
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alain8891

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No, it even says on Lewdpatcher for Chapter 3. Incest was changed in Chapter 4, the game was reworked/rewritten to remove incest completely from the game.

Who knows if and when a new patch will replace it or update it? It depends on if anyone is interested enough to mess with Ocean's bullshit.

If you want to know why he removed said content, SS has in their TOS content with incest isn't allowed, they've never banned anyone over it, but that is the reason. Now why he decided to do on Steam to when Steam doesn't care about incest, rape, and blackmail, no clue...I have no clue how much of the player base played this game for incest vs NTR aspect or "both".
Ocean basically said on Discord today he feels Steam and GOG would eventually adopt the same policy as Patreon and Subscribestar. To quote him loosely, he’s not getting near that shit (incest) anymore.
 

jadepaladin

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They're still "family", just not family. Katie is a "real" Zane, as are Kata and her parents and brother. Leia and MC were raised by the Zanes as wards, but not adopted. The relationships are emotionally the same. Some of it is stupid, but plausible in the world Ocean's created. Crime Families have rules and their own cultural quirks. They're not as out there as some other crime family games.

I am almost done with my first playthrough of the new version and content. I like it, for the most part. The new UI is a bit annoying, and the sex animations are high quality, but mostly boring and static. The story and characters are still good. I am not upset that I bought it on Steam.
The "mafia rules" basically allow Ocean to make it up as he goes along. Anything that is out of place, "Oh that's just how this family does things." I think I'm almost done with the playthrough as well and while some of the story changes are messy, I didn't hate chapter 4 as much as I thought I would.
 

Maccabbee

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The "mafia rules" basically allow Ocean to make it up as he goes along. Anything that is out of place, "Oh that's just how this family does things." I think I'm almost done with the playthrough as well and while some of the story changes are messy, I didn't hate chapter 4 as much as I thought I would.
I think I got my 8 bucks worth, and that's just Miru and Katie.
 

Eleanorduval

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Ocean basically said on Discord today he feels Steam and GOG would eventually adopt the same policy as Patreon and Subscribestar. To quote him loosely, he’s not getting near that shit (incest) anymore.
"He feels" so it’s might happen or not.I he keeps scared about it,be sure he will not do anything.
Thank not all incest game dev are scared if steam and cie change their policies.Basically it will be the death of all incest games.
 

bob69696

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4 times?

Goodbye troll.
fantastic assumption but, no. I downloaded this the first time years ago and every time there is a major update there's a rewrite or retcon and the plot barely advances. Legitimate criticism isn't trolling mate. Not sure why you'd think I'm trolling either. You might accept having to restart because things keep changing every update but, I not even going to try anymore.
 

Gumshoe08

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fantastic assumption but, no. I downloaded this the first time years ago and every time there is a major update there's a rewrite or retcon and the plot barely advances. Legitimate criticism isn't trolling mate. Not sure why you'd think I'm trolling either. You might accept having to restart because things keep changing every update but, I not even going to try anymore.
Cant really expect anything to Oceansimps. He'd rework both games again i feel it.
 

Eleanorduval

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fantastic assumption but, no. I downloaded this the first time years ago and every time there is a major update there's a rewrite or retcon and the plot barely advances. Legitimate criticism isn't trolling mate. Not sure why you'd think I'm trolling either. You might accept having to restart because things keep changing every update but, I not even going to try anymore.
not 1st game with a re-write,the problem is now a major modification.While i doesn’t bother person like my bro jadepalladin,I understand it can bother other players.
 
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