VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[LHDLLB]

He doesn't need a harem to make Miru jealous.
They already talked about how she 'threw a chair at his female friend for being too close to him'. Just make that scene a reality => then make frustrated Miru suplex William into the bed => then make him tease her about "It's normal. You'll do the same with a male friend." => at which she'll go ballistic - "Fuck no!" - and she will make it the angriest fuck of their life.

That will show both her jealousy and - the last part - her extreme definition of loyalty.
Profit.

//It's just an example, of course. There could be trillions of variations.
//But you don't need a harem to show Miru's character.

You missed my point, it was not about harem, it was that is too early to William engage in a sexual manner with anyone but Miru, half of the LIs hates him and the other half are already in a relationship when the two don't overlap. The only LI that don't hates William is available and wants to fuck him from the get go is Daphene and she is in another city. My point is that there is no way this scenario can happen at this point in the game, half of the LIs are/was William's kin, who would thought that their sister-in-law would want to fuck their husband ? Miru don't has reason to be jealousy, yet. I agree with you, am only saying that is too early to this type of scene happen.

In one of a older

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about the release of WIAB Ch1, Ocean has written, that he has no experience in creating lewd animations.

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That may be the reason why the h-scenes with Miru feel weird, he's still learning...

And I have to agree that some of the normal scenes in both games are waaaaaay more arousing than the simple hammering of Mirus poor little muffin. Ocean can write sex erotic scenes, the first one that comes into my mind is the scene where Bella frees Nika from the the handcuffs in the female locker room. At least from my perception is this scene hotter than all in scenes.

That is interesting bit of information. Personally I don't have a problem with the animations or even the erotica aspect, as I said my problem is that it feels tepid , because of a lack of participation from William. I think this is intentional, as the scenes follows the story and characters the scenes works well, they are just not much arrousing.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Jealousy doesn't work that way... no matter what relationship you have with someone, if there is jealousy, there is jealousy.... What we can debate is whether Miru presents herself as jealous or not. On the one hand her reaction to Daphne may be an indication that she is a jealous person. Or can we consider that it is only with Daphne? That insecurity about the possibility of feelings being born between them, makes me very close to the feeling that Miru is jealous in general, despite their conversations (this always made me think that the open relationship option was presented too early in the story, rushed like the conversation with Zoey).

Except, what has Willi done that she can be jealous over so far? Sure a jealous person is always jealous, but getting triggered enough to act and do something is important. Miru IS very happy right now being with William. Ocean has repeatedly said that the NTR/cheating things will be slow burn because he wants them to have impact. I think he's started from the point where Miru is the appearance of a loving gf precisely to show how she gets triggered and what she does as a result.

We can already see that her attitude towards Daphne is difficult, but she trusts Willi to leave him with her, because she also knows Daphne's important to William. SHe also makes William call her, because it's William's problem. Thta to me suggests she has good control over her jealousy at the moment, nothing's cracked her composure. Compare that to how easily Leia flies off the handle.

 

[sorco2003]

Except, what has Willi done that she can be jealous over so far? Sure a jealous person is always jealous, but getting triggered enough to act and do something is important. Miru IS very happy right now being with William. Ocean has repeatedly said that the NTR/cheating things will be slow burn because he wants them to have impact. I think he's started from the point where Miru is the appearance of a loving gf precisely to show how she gets triggered and what she does as a result.

We can already see that her attitude towards Daphne is difficult, but she trusts Willi to leave him with her, because she also knows Daphne's important to William. SHe also makes William call her, because it's William's problem. Thta to me suggests she has good control over her jealousy at the moment, nothing's cracked her composure. Compare that to how easily Leia flies off the handle.

If and only if we agree that Miru is a jealous person... the insistence to open the relationship, wouldn't that be a big enough action?
If Miru is not a jealous person, well, then, just square everything and let's move on.

The need to balance the different possible routes, makes details like that I do not see them very natural.

 

[LHDLLB]

I think it's still early for Miru's jealousy to be triggered. She doesn't know what kind of relationship Willi has with all the different women, but when she found out about Mon and when Willi started calling Dana by a nickname, she jumped to conclusions. So I think there will be those elements, it is just that the story is still at the point where Miru is content. I think the first big test will be Miru's trip, and her maybe coming back unexpected to notice something.

my point exactly. Miru trip offers many possibility depending on being in the open relationship or not and the NTRs aspects. I have high hopes for the talk with Leia, and I think is where William doing something behind Miru's back makes more sense at the moment. We know Miru pays much attention to body language, I don’t think she needs to come early and caught something she should not, she just needs to pay attention.

Jealousy doesn't work that way... no matter what relationship you have with someone, if there is jealousy, there is jealousy.... What we can debate is whether Miru presents herself as jealous or not. On the one hand her reaction to Daphne may be an indication that she is a jealous person. Or can we consider that it is only with Daphne? That insecurity about the possibility of feelings being born between them, makes me very close to the feeling that Miru is jealous in general, despite their conversations (this always made me think that the open relationship option was presented too early in the story, rushed like the conversation with Zoey).

Miru is jealousy and not kin on the open relationship, she says something like: " my hearts sinks thinking of you with another woman". Miru does not want it, you have to push her and then neglect her to her put it to the test and aks for some "boob stuff".

Now about jealousy, she can be jealous and be rational about it. She don't has any reason to doubt William so far, and he don't have opportunitys to make her doubt him, nobody wants to fuck William right now. I think if Miru acted like a obssevie girlfriend now would be pretty odd. That said, depending on choices it will be pretty odd if she does not act like one.

In fact I think much of Miru route will revolve around it. Pushing her. Be you pursuing other girls or encouraging her to fuck others males or neglecting her and she growing resentful towards you.

 

[BobTheDuck]

If and only if we agree that Miru is a jealous person... the insistence to open the relationship, wouldn't that be a big enough action?
If Miru is not a jealous person, well, then, just square everything and let's move on.

The need to balance the different possible routes, makes details like that I do not see them very natural.

Well, she's got two tendencies, being jealous and being smitten and using baby talk. Which one is winning out at any given point? People are not just one motive. Clearly she and Willi have had a pretty decent five years, three months and eleven days so far. She wants him to put buns in her oven. So does her need to keep hold of him have more impact on her choices than her anger over the open relationship idea? You can see that she's trying to get a rise out of him suggesting mmf, maybe she's testing to see if he's really open or just trying to have all the cake.

I think that we're also in the dark regards Daphne and Willi's history, so it's hard to really judge why Miru reacts to her, but still gives Willi space for her because of what happened in the past with Daphne. That's something I'm keen to find out.

 

[Maviarab]

No, that's why it's so frustrating.
He knows how to write sexual tension between characters. How to write dynamic dialogue - with layers and possibilities - when characters don't say what they mean, or when their strong personalities get highlighted through their speech and actions.
He can write it. He does write it.
He just doesn't do it for sex scenes.

For example:
The first thing we learned about Miru is that she's extremely loyal <=> and extremely jealous.
//A great personality dynamic for a sex game, when you'll need to have sex with a bunch of people.
Why not convey it in a sex scene?
I'm sure even you - not a writer - can easily imagine a great dynamic sex scene, through which we learn about that side of her personality.

That goes for every part of every character.
If you were to write a horror - you'll be highlighting the most important parts of your characters during the horror scenes. Or else your horror scenes would be just empty jump-scares.
And if you were to write a sex game...

If you have to keep using coloured text to make your point, you're not doing a very good job of it

 

[mommysboiii]

Meh I hope you guys are all wrong and if you cheat/being a asshole to you gf the gf will just break up with you/ break up with payback ( if its fit cheracter like kathie)

But we have this badass antagonist so I really hope that the ntr aspect is slow burn and really interesting ....

Like you are in a loving relationship with trust but there will be intrigues,seduction,competition,jeliousy,he actually tries to fuck your BITCH and take her away..... and so on like plotwise interesting

And not well be a asshole 3 points ntr or well you cheat know she cheats

I really hope its more interesting plotwise use this antagonist....and give us cute relationships

If you have that super badass antagonists you better develop them and use them for plot/ntr in better way

 

[LHDLLB]

Meh I hope you guys are all wrong and if you cheat/being a asshole to you gf the gf will just break up with you/ break up with payback ( if its fit cheracter like kathie)

But we have this badass antagonist so I really hope that the ntr aspect is slow burn and really interesting ....

Like you are in a loving relationship with trust but there will be intrigues,seduction,competition,jeliousy..... and so on like plotwise interesting

And not well be a asshole 3 points ntr or well you cheat know she cheats

I really hope its more interesting plotwise use this antagonist....and give us cute relationships

If you have that super badass antagonist you better develop them and use them for plot/ntr in better way

I mean do we have a badass antagonist ? So far I don't see one. We don't really know who we are fight against, Kyrat ? Asavera? Leia ? the religious organization ? I don't think we will get a dull antagonist but so far he dosen't exist.

Personally I think that if you mistreat your partner and cheats on them is more realistic to a NTR route than the antagonist having the magic dick that will made Miru forgot 5+ years of relationship and open her legs.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I mean do we have a badass antagonist ? So far I don't see one. We don't really know who we are fight against, Kyrat ? Asavera? Leia ? the religious organization ? I don't think we will get a dull antagonist but so far he dosen't exist.

Personally I think that if you mistreat your partner and cheats on them is more realistic to a NTR route than the antagonist having the magic dick that will made Miru forgot 5+ years of relationship and open her legs.

We saw a bit in the old version... but that was the old version. I'm sure there is equivalent. We know there is a corrupt group hiding behind a religious front, Abigail and Leia both talk about it.So the suspicion is the leader of that group is the main antagonist. What the antagonist's (whoever it is) connection to Helen is, we have never seen, not even really in the previous version (other than Helen liked taking people under wing and discovered something when helping someone).

Regards the magic dick, well more likely it will be abuse of power, putting Miru is a situation where she has to chose something for Willi's benefit, while being corrupted, like what happened in the prison scene previously. But I doubt that will be the limit of things, I am sure there will be plenty of grey decisions to make, that will take the plot different ways.

 

[mommysboiii]

I mean do we have a badass antagonist ? So far I don't see one. We don't really know who we are fight against, Kyrat ? Asavera? Leia ? the religious organization ? I don't think we will get a dull antagonist but so far he dosen't exist.

Personally I think that if you mistreat your partner and cheats on them is more realistic to a NTR route than the antagonist having the magic dick that will made Miru forgot 5+ years of relationship and open her legs.

We saw his hand in preview ....

And we dont know how many there are like it will be interesting who is on which side leia? The faceless man in preview?maybe another gang? I think there will be multiple antagonist which could be interesting intrigue wise... and ntr wise...competition is always good

And all diffent endings I just hope ntr is more ineresting than average harem/ntr...

Yeah but thats harem ntr logic .... like hope ocean dont takes that boring route ...

I hope that multiple antagonist are more capable/smart/corruption wise

And yes willi cant be good in everything there is ALWAYS someone better

 

[RNasc4444]

He has highlighted it through Helen's hips and Leia's areolas, right RNasc4444?

You're goddamn right!

Your nightmares may involve poorly lit rooms and paranormal presences or being hunted down by a disfigured madman with a chainsaw. Mine involve being trapped in a well lit room with naked Helen and naked Leia.

 

[LHDLLB]

We saw a bit in the old version... but that was the old version. I'm sure there is equivalent. We know there is a corrupt group hiding behind a religious front, Abigail and Leia both talk about it.So the suspicion is the leader of that group is the main antagonist. What the antagonist's (whoever it is) connection to Helen is, we have never seen, not even really in the previous version (other than Helen liked taking people under wing and discovered something when helping someone).

Regards the magic dick, well more likely it will be abuse of power, putting Miru is a situation where she has to chose something for Willi's benefit, while being corrupted, like what happened in the prison scene previously. But I doubt that will be the limit of things, I am sure there will be plenty of grey decisions to make, that will take the plot different ways.

I know, there is also a NTR treat of Leia with a man lighting her cigarette. But he don't exist, we don't know motivations, goals, nothing he is not even a shadow on the wall. We talked about it some time ago and we agreed this was the most likely answer. But that is based on what we know now, that it is very little.

Is a plausible scenario, as I said NTR is not really my thing, never saw this Miru scene. I will probably drop the saves once we get to the real stuff, the problem that I see with this is the boundries of consent becomes a lot blurried. Miru willingly cheating on William because he fucks up is more "real" . I guess it also depends on how dark it goes.

 

[Maviarab]

I still believe Daphne will be the start of the actual NTR route regarding anything with Miru. Even with sharing etc, it just isn't in her (new) character to willingly do something behind our back.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I know, there is also a NTR treat of Leia with a man lighting her cigarette. But he don't exist, we don't know motivations, goals, nothing he is not even a shadow on the wall. We talked about it some time ago and we agreed this was the most likely answer. But that is based on what we know now, that it is very little.

Is a plausible scenario, as I said NTR is not really my thing, never saw this Miru scene. I will probably drop the saves once we get to the real stuff, the problem that I see with this is the boundries of consent becomes a lot blurried. Miru willingly cheating on William because he fucks up is more "real" . I guess it also depends on how dark it goes.

Regardless of what we think we know, there is an antagonist, who is probably male to be a counterpoint to William. Even if the antagonist is a woman, fine. We know there is one thoughsimply because Helen had something happen. Someone will fill the role, someone's behind the events.

The consent one is a concern - how ocean will make it feel consequential while making sure it's future proof from those kind of concerns is important, even if it's not so big an issue right now.

I still believe Daphne will be the start of the actual NTR route regarding anything with Miru. Even with sharing etc, it just isn't in her (new) character to willingly do something behind our back.

I agree ...unless it's Katie setting us up because of Katie wars, in which case I guess it's time for the spicy burger save

 

[LHDLLB]

Regardless of what we think we know, there is an antagonist, who is probably male to be a counterpoint to William. Even if the antagonist is a woman, fine. We know there is one thoughsimply because Helen had something happen. Someone will fill the role, someone's behind the events.

The consent one is a concern - how ocean will make it feel consequential while making sure it's future proof from those kind of concerns is important, even if it's not so big an issue right now.



I agree ...unless it's Katie setting us up because of Katie wars, in which case I guess it's time for the spicy burger save

I am not denying it, he exist. I am just saying that he yet has to be materialized in the story. Yeah, is not a easy balance. Reason that I think the NTR will be more William's fucks up, the porn route as exemple of that.

 

[Maviarab]

I am not denying it, he exist. I am just saying that he yet has to be materialized in the story. Yeah, is not a easy balance. Reason that I think the NTR will be more William's fucks up, the porn route as exemple of that.

Why would the porn route be a fuck up? Not even NTR if you agreed and pushed her to do it.

However, what is and isn't and what most of the half-wits on this site think is NTR are twenty different conversations.

 

[LHDLLB]

Why would the porn route be a fuck up? Not even NTR if you agreed and pushed her to do it.

However, what is and isn't and what most of the half-wits on this site think is NTR are twenty different conversations.

That is fair. Not exactly a fucked up, more like give more opportunities to shit happens, same as the open relationship thing, is not in itself a problem but gives margin to a NTR route take place. Depending on your choice.

 

[sorco2003]

Why would the porn route be a fuck up? Not even NTR if you agreed and pushed her to do it.

However, what is and isn't and what most of the half-wits on this site think is NTR are twenty different conversations.

I know it's not the average on the forum, but at least those of us who write here understand what NTR is, and at the same time we (not you) use those acronyms as an umbrella to refer to non-vanilla routes.... not vanilla is too long to write, let us be lazy!

 

[abirvg]

[...] My point is that there is no way this scenario can happen at this point in the game, half of the LIs are/was William's kin, who would thought that their sister-in-law would want to fuck their husband ? Miru don't has reason to be jealousy, yet. I agree with you, am only saying that is too early to this type of scene happen.

Dude...
I literally described the scenario.
You quoted it.

 

[BadThingsHere]

Why is the MC so ugly Good game though