VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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RNasc4444

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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
I just had to react

Villains are so fun, especially when they're on our side. Fuck, both MCs in Ocean's games are technically villainous assholes, that's why everyone thought they're related (now we know better?).

If William likes you, he'd do anything for you. He makes people laugh as much as he makes them scream from frustration. He loves people. If he doesn't like you, he has no problem, let's say, smashing your head into the tile wall of a bathroom? He was ready to give Leia's bouncers a beatdown (or try, anyway).

He is not wildly malicious without a reason, mostly, and a lot of his rudeness and shit is in fun, from his perspective. But he is a criminally minded bad guy, and his girlfriend (soulmate, for me) is either Yakuza or some other Japanese badass criminal.

That is just pure escapist fun to me. The changes haven't ruined it for me, but I've played one less rework than you old-timers.
I don't usually enjoy villains. Much less playing one. But one of the biggest reasons that drew me into Ocean's games was the old weird, psycho, sociopath, emo, asshole MC from SG. I just found him engaging. He has since been completely changed but I still miss the old one.

I definitely agree with both of Ocean's MC's being straight up assholes. Not in an evil or mean way. Just more like uncaring or unbothered about social norms and what others may think. Even though I mostly play them as good guys it's still a nice change of pace from your regular AVN MC.
 

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Please someone tell me this update didn't have any content compared to the previous update or I just didn't see the content?
 

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guys idk about you but im of the opinion that wiab is a much better game than summer's gone, yes I said it
Both were great and I loved this game a little more than Summer's Gone, but right now, pretty sure both would be laughable if it continue the same way it's going after Chapter 4.
 
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It's not but your opinion at least not like it matters anymore with how the dev just nuked the story
Both were great and I loved this game a little more than Summer's Gone, but right now, pretty sure both would be laughable if it continue the same way it's going after Chapter 4.
Yeah I honestly agree that the retcon killed a major appeal of the game but still, WIAB characters are just so much more refreshing, ofc SG characters are good but I hate that fuckass mc so ye
 
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Both were great and I loved this game a little more than Summer's Gone, but right now, pretty sure both would be laughable if it continue the same way it's going after Chapter 4.
I honestly don't have much faith in ocean after what he did and I'm worried for the SG update but anyways
 

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Honestly, I have no idea why anyone still tries to make sense of the story or characters in this game.

Seven years of development, and there's still no solid foundation, narratively or visually. Whatever tiny fragments of plot or design they manage to scrape together get reshuffled or tossed out in the next update anyway. It’s like watching a glorified slideshow made of pretty character portraits, where the concept of storytelling was quietly abandoned years ago.

This is supposed to be the “more adult” one of the two eternal season one projects? If this is what you can expect from this very mature game then imagine the other one. Maybe a one week in game season means decade irl time in this dev’s language.

What you’re looking at is the textbook result of a developer propped up by a overly hypedriven fanbase with zero expectations. They’ll cheer for anything and that’s exactly what they’re getting: ANYTHING.

What actually awaits you here? Changing characters, barely any story progression, and absolutely no meaningful choices. Just a hundred LIs, frozen in perfect light close-ups, while you get to awkwardly breathe into their face every second slide... or, better yet, watch eagerly as some random dude gets handsy with them instead.

If that’s your idea of fun, more power to you. Just don’t expect anything to change not this year, not the next. This is the game.
And sadly, that’s not even an exaggeration. Just take a look at the other game. The dev doesn’t give a flying f*ck about actual progression. He is trapped in his own perfect imagination where the only goal is to make the LIs shine and everything else that could make these games enjoyable is simply forgotten.

The pattern is obvious by now: he’ll keep remaking, and rewriting as long as it nets him some extra profit. Meanwhile, all that extra funding over the years? Never translated into actual progress. And everyone can see it — if they’re willing to look past the smoke and renders.
 

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When Dana is getting in the elevator, the panel is the same asset as used in Jury, just with different lighting.

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So many AVNs use assets purchased from places that it's really hard to point at something and say "This is unique to this VN."
I think that's normal, especially if the game is developed by a single developer.

If everything had to be created from scratch, I'd be happy if one chapter came out every ten years.:HideThePain:
 
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I think that's normal, especially if the game is developed by a single developer.

If everything had to be created from scratch, I'd be happy if one chapter came out every ten years.:HideThePain:
That's the point Yossa was making, and responding to a long post about Ocean "stole" something from Pale Carnations. Mine was just more references.
 
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Honestly, I have no idea why anyone still tries to make sense of the story or characters in this game.

Seven years of development, and there's still no solid foundation, narratively or visually. Whatever tiny fragments of plot or design they manage to scrape together get reshuffled or tossed out in the next update anyway. It’s like watching a glorified slideshow made of pretty character portraits, where the concept of storytelling was quietly abandoned years ago.

This is supposed to be the “more adult” one of the two eternal season one projects? If this is what you can expect from this very mature game then imagine the other one. Maybe a one week in game season means decade irl time in this dev’s language.

What you’re looking at is the textbook result of a developer propped up by a overly hypedriven fanbase with zero expectations. They’ll cheer for anything and that’s exactly what they’re getting: ANYTHING.

What actually awaits you here? Changing characters, barely any story progression, and absolutely no meaningful choices. Just a hundred LIs, frozen in perfect light close-ups, while you get to awkwardly breathe into their face every second slide... or, better yet, watch eagerly as some random dude gets handsy with them instead.

If that’s your idea of fun, more power to you. Just don’t expect anything to change not this year, not the next. This is the game.
And sadly, that’s not even an exaggeration. Just take a look at the other game. The dev doesn’t give a flying f*ck about actual progression. He is trapped in his own perfect imagination where the only goal is to make the LIs shine and everything else that could make these games enjoyable is simply forgotten.

The pattern is obvious by now: he’ll keep remaking, and rewriting as long as it nets him some extra profit. Meanwhile, all that extra funding over the years? Never translated into actual progress. And everyone can see it — if they’re willing to look past the smoke and renders.
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I have to say, i expected kinda the worst outcome after ocean stated that Willy isnt blood related to the zanes anymore.

But ... i can kinda live with it? Yeah the mafia is kind of a cop out (in a sense that they can easly apprently change identitys and so on) but it works for me like that, it "explains" why they are really close and have this history with each other yet arent real siblings.

Really enjoyed all the Katie stuff this update and Leia is interesting too
 

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I read a lot of criticism before I played this update, but honestly I thought it was pretty good. This is coming from someone who didn't really like the first three episodes that much. I still think he should put this on hold till he finishes SG(lol), but at least it finally seems to be going somewhere.
 
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