VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Maviarab]

Honestly, I have no idea why anyone still tries to make sense of the story or characters in this game.

Seven years of development, and there's still no solid foundation, narratively or visually. Whatever tiny fragments of plot or design they manage to scrape together get reshuffled or tossed out in the next update anyway. It’s like watching a glorified slideshow made of pretty character portraits, where the concept of storytelling was quietly abandoned years ago.

This is supposed to be the “more adult” one of the two eternal season one projects? If this is what you can expect from this very mature game then imagine the other one. Maybe a one week in game season means decade irl time in this dev’s language.

What you’re looking at is the textbook result of a developer propped up by a overly hypedriven fanbase with zero expectations. They’ll cheer for anything and that’s exactly what they’re getting: ANYTHING.

What actually awaits you here? Changing characters, barely any story progression, and absolutely no meaningful choices. Just a hundred LIs, frozen in perfect light close-ups, while you get to awkwardly breathe into their face every second slide... or, better yet, watch eagerly as some random dude gets handsy with them instead.

If that’s your idea of fun, more power to you. Just don’t expect anything to change not this year, not the next. This is the game.
And sadly, that’s not even an exaggeration. Just take a look at the other game. The dev doesn’t give a flying f*ck about actual progression. He is trapped in his own perfect imagination where the only goal is to make the LIs shine and everything else that could make these games enjoyable is simply forgotten.

The pattern is obvious by now: he’ll keep remaking, and rewriting as long as it nets him some extra profit. Meanwhile, all that extra funding over the years? Never translated into actual progress. And everyone can see it — if they’re willing to look past the smoke and renders.

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[Krytax123]

I have to say, i expected kinda the worst outcome after ocean stated that Willy isnt blood related to the zanes anymore.

But ... i can kinda live with it? Yeah the mafia is kind of a cop out (in a sense that they can easly apprently change identitys and so on) but it works for me like that, it "explains" why they are really close and have this history with each other yet arent real siblings.

Really enjoyed all the Katie stuff this update and Leia is interesting too

 

[Garvelt]

I read a lot of criticism before I played this update, but honestly I thought it was pretty good. This is coming from someone who didn't really like the first three episodes that much. I still think he should put this on hold till he finishes SG(lol), but at least it finally seems to be going somewhere.

 

[Jdtocold]

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Overview:
Years have passed. Things have changed. After a surprising call from your twin sister, you decide to head home to see what the hell is going on. And you certainly didn't expect that.​

Thread Updated: 2025-07-04
Release Date: 2025-07-04
Developer: Ocean

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Censored: No
Version: Season 1 - Chapter 4 - Steam
OS: Windows, Linux, Mac, Android
Language: English
Other Games: Summer's Gone
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Extras: Fan Art Thread - WALLPAPERS - WALKTHROUGH - WALKTHROUGH MOD* - Offtopic Thread
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Old version v0.6 Before Rework

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The Krogan Dude thanks for the links
*This unofficial port/version is not released by developer, download at your own risk.

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Im confused how are yall playing chapter 4 i cant even proceed without a word from the developer in the game?

 

[Bnshy]

It's not even the same game anymore... So many things redone and changed... I thought the next chapter was the camping trip and that didn't even happen... He didn't get a chance to talk about his case or anything smh....

 

[Dingolingo]

It's not even the same game anymore... So many things redone and changed... I thought the next chapter was the camping trip and that didn't even happen... He didn't get a chance to talk about his case or anything smh....

welcome to the mob. come, we have absolutely nothing of value.

 

[Bnshy]

welcome to the mob. come, we have absolutely nothing of value.

Sad...this 1 had a lot of potential..

 

[New Kid]

Yeeesh what a incoherent mess this VN has become, it's a shame since I liked many of the characters a lot but I think it's time to forget about this one, guess I will play the old version before the rework one last time and then bury it along with the other great games that got shafted too early, too soon... seriously, f*ck p*treon and their asinine policies.

 

[Bnshy]

Yeeesh what a incoherent mess this VN has become, it's a shame since I liked many of the characters a lot but I think it's time to forget about this one, guess I will play the old version before the rework one last time and then bury it along with the other great games that got shafted too early, too soon... seriously, f*ck p*treon and their asinine policies.

It's very unfortunate.... I hope he didn't change too much on SG... This one officially dropped.

 

[Miyu09]

How is anyone even playing chapter 4? My game ends at Leia's door

 

[jadepaladin]

How is anyone even playing chapter 4? My game ends at Leia's door

By removing any mods or i patches and starting from scratch.

 

[Darkmessiah30]

Oh fuck this hilarious I got kicked from Ocean's discord for asking 1 question since their not family anymore and have gone bat shit schizo can I stab them in the back and tell them to fuck off. Guess Ocean can shove it then I've been a supporter since 2021 but since him or one of his simps got but hurt fuck it I ain't supporting him no more.

 

[yossa999]

How is anyone even playing chapter 4?

Without mods and patches and from the beginning. Works like a charm.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Both were great and I loved this game a little more than Summer's Gone, but right now, pretty sure both would be laughable if it continue the same way it's going after Chapter 4.

So given the changes, who is more Riverdale, SG or Wiab? XD

It’s like watching a glorified slideshow made of pretty character portraits

There are CW series that have reached 11 seasons with much less XD

This is supposed to be the “more adult” one of the two eternal season one projects? If this is what you can expect from this very mature game then imagine the other one. Maybe a one week in game season means decade irl time in this dev’s language.

Clearly you don't understand... Mafia

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Confess Mavi how happy you are to have new material XD

since their not family anymore and have gone bat shit schizo can I stab them in the back and tell them to fuck off.

 

[Tremonia]

After all the comments here, I've now played through the game a second time. I thought that if so many people were crying, I must have missed something important. Maybe I didn't understand something either. Checking yourself and your own opinion is an important basic characteristic of adult civilized people. Well, I'm sticking to it. The game is better in its current state. The incest stuff isn't needed for the story. The mafia stuff didn't come as a surprise. That there is some form of organized crime has been in the game for ages. No one ever implied Ocean was good at storytelling. So I don't expect him to adopt the Hollywood clichés about the mafia either. These clichés are just as out of touch with reality anyway.

By the way, some said the whole thing about taking in children of wiped out mafia families was unrealistic. Also that these children are then misused for marriage politics. Well, there have indeed been such cases. Both the Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra have a number of known cases. One such case is, for example, the marriage of Giulia Immacolata to Vincenzo Macrì. Such cases also occurred in the historic blood feud between Greco clans in the 1940s. Allegedly also in the San Luca feud in the 1990s and 2000s. But in the case of the latter, it is more likely to be the conjecture of investigative journalists, as I am not aware of any evidence.

So all in all, one can make the game worse than it is just because one is anal about the fact that ones favorite fetish is no longer included. But I don't have to take that seriously and accept it as a basis for discussion.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

So all in all, one can make the game worse than it is just because one is anal about the fact that ones favorite fetish is no longer included. But I don't have to take that seriously and accept it as a basis for discussion.

For me it's not the elimination of a fetish or that the "mafia" is stupid, it's how Ocean implemented these changes

By the way, some said the whole thing about taking in children of wiped out mafia families was unrealistic. Also that these children are then misused for marriage politics. Well, there have indeed been such cases. Both the Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra have a number of known cases. One such case is, for example, the marriage of Giulia Immacolata to Vincenzo Macrì. Such cases also occurred in the historic blood feud between Greco clans in the 1940s. Allegedly also in the San Luca feud in the 1990s and 2000s. But in the case of the latter, it is more likely to be the conjecture of investigative journalists, as I am not aware of any evidence.

As I said, I think, in my first post after the chapter came out: The arranged marriage by alliance doesn't seem as stupid to me as many say, but the way Ocean executed it is a problem.

- As for the Pedersoli and Grimaldi families, they have been wiped out, so the feud is over. Therefore, a shotgun wedding would be too late and too little to appease the vengeance of the branches of the two families that are outside the country.

- While I see two problems with the Zanes.
The first is that it seems excessive to keep two boys aside in case you need to marry them to quell a feud for X years.
And second, probably due to Ocean wanting to remove incest from his game, Leia and William are not considered Zane in virtually any respect; consequently their marriage would have almost no value for an alliance.

 

[jadepaladin]

After all the comments here, I've now played through the game a second time. I thought that if so many people were crying, I must have missed something important. Maybe I didn't understand something either. Checking yourself and your own opinion is an important basic characteristic of adult civilized people. Well, I'm sticking to it. The game is better in its current state. The incest stuff isn't needed for the story. The mafia stuff didn't come as a surprise. That there is some form of organized crime has been in the game for ages. No one ever implied Ocean was good at storytelling. So I don't expect him to adopt the Hollywood clichés about the mafia either. These clichés are just as out of touch with reality anyway.

By the way, some said the whole thing about taking in children of wiped out mafia families was unrealistic. Also that these children are then misused for marriage politics. Well, there have indeed been such cases. Both the Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra have a number of known cases. One such case is, for example, the marriage of Giulia Immacolata to Vincenzo Macrì. Such cases also occurred in the historic blood feud between Greco clans in the 1940s. Allegedly also in the San Luca feud in the 1990s and 2000s. But in the case of the latter, it is more likely to be the conjecture of investigative journalists, as I am not aware of any evidence.

So all in all, one can make the game worse than it is just because one is anal about the fact that ones favorite fetish is no longer included. But I don't have to take that seriously and accept it as a basis for discussion.

The incest can come or go. I thought Will leaving made more since when it was an incest story but I can accept the new terms.

The biggest issue I have is tonal whiplash. Will and Leia are constantly told they are powerless, Will is always a step away from exile after returning. Yet despite that, Will and Leia are also political capital to be used in possible marriages. That implies they have some worth as "Zanes" because otherwise I would think it would be offensive to marry someone off that doesn't actually bring you any additional power when it comes to these types of arranged marriages. While swallowing all of that, we see Leia constantly working on her own enterprise, and uses her own men to protect the Zane family, that should have their own guards, etc. If Leia is so powerless, Donna Helen shouldn't have to rely on Leia's men to come scope everything out.

It's late for me and I could probably go on more but I don't hate the "new" stuff, just adjusting to it, I guess.

 

[UncleFappy]

The incest can come or go. I thought Will leaving made more since when it was an incest story but I can accept the new terms.

The biggest issue I have is tonal whiplash. Will and Leia are constantly told they are powerless, Will is always a step away from exile after returning. Yet despite that, Will and Leia are also political capital to be used in possible marriages. That implies they have some worth as "Zanes" because otherwise I would think it would be offensive to marry someone off that doesn't actually bring you any additional power when it comes to these types of arranged marriages. While swallowing all of that, we see Leia constantly working on her own enterprise, and uses her own men to protect the Zane family, that should have their own guards, etc. If Leia is so powerless, Donna Helen shouldn't have to rely on Leia's men to come scope everything out.

It's late for me and I could probably go on more but I don't hate the "new" stuff, just adjusting to it, I guess.

Was it mentioned that the Zanes are having William and Leia as political capital for marriages? If it was, I completely missed that in the game. I thought it was just fan headcanon/theory.

 

[jadepaladin]

Was it mentioned that the Zanes are having William and Leia as political capital for marriages? If it was, I completely missed that in the game. I thought it was just fan headcanon/theory.

I can reinstall and do another run through, but off the top of my head I thought it was during one of the conversations with Katie. Someone else might be able to verify faster or completely shoot it down and save me the work.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Was it mentioned that the Zanes are having William and Leia as political capital for marriages? If it was, I completely missed that in the game. I thought it was just fan headcanon/theory.

You have to show interest in Katie, so when she takes a shower instead of leaving William is in the bathroom with her and they discuss the reason why Leia, Willy and Katie can't mate with each other.