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txe320

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No incest, no interest. Story is too fucking lame to waste time on it without the chance of dicking the gorgeous mother and sisters. Bad decision, dev.
That isn't the problem, kinda.

It would have made sense at the beginning if it was never an incest story, with a better story than what we got.

The problem is that the incest part was a huge part of it because the story was made around that.

Now, with that part gone, the story that was okay but with a lot of plot holes, as more plot holes and the more you play, the less sense it's makes.

It's like playing a AAA game, but besides the amazing visuals, everything is an empty shell.
 

yossa999

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Well, everything. The whole JJ Abrams "mystery box" storytelling is annoying [...]
Ocean's storytelling style has always been like this. Everything becomes perfectly clear over time, but you don't like this approach to storytelling, it's not that something in the game doesn't make sense. Everything there makes sense and follows the plot.
One of the "mysterious" reasons for the protagonist leaving town was given by Katie directly: she thinks he ran away because of her, they kissed and he, realizing his attraction to her and the possible consequences, decided to run away.

This wouldn't make much sense in a normal situation, in your average college game. But in the circumstanses that Ocean has chosen for his characters, it is obvious. The people the MC lives with are extremely cruel and in some aspects adhere to medieval views and traditions. His act is something like a stable boy kissing a king's daughter who's hand was promised to the son of a neighboring king before she was born. If this comes to light, the engagement is off, the union is broken. And the stable boy will die a slow, painful death.

A mysterious accident - yes, the MC doesn't know what happened to Helen and tries to investigate. He's sure it wasn't an accident and tries to figure out who's behind it. Why this suddenly doesn't make sense?

In order for everything to make sense, you have to believe in some basic parameters of the fictional world. Like in Aliens, if you start denying the existence of creatures with acid instead of blood, arguing that this is impossible - well, damn, dude, why even start watching sci-fi then? Nobody claims that WiAB is a documentary novel written based on the biography of a retired mafia boss.
 

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Ocean's storytelling style has always been like this. Everything becomes perfectly clear over time, but you don't like this approach to storytelling, it's not that something in the game doesn't make sense. Everything there makes sense and follows the plot.
One of the "mysterious" reasons for the protagonist leaving town was given by Katie directly: she thinks he ran away because of her, they kissed and he, realizing his attraction to her and the possible consequences, decided to run away.

This wouldn't make much sense in a normal situation, in your average college game. But in the circumstanses that Ocean has chosen for his characters, it is obvious. The people the MC lives with are extremely cruel and in some aspects adhere to medieval views and traditions. His act is something like a stable boy kissing a king's daughter who's hand was promised to the son of a neighboring king before she was born. If this comes to light, the engagement is off, the union is broken. And the stable boy will die a slow, painful death.

A mysterious accident - yes, the MC doesn't know what happened to Helen and tries to investigate. He's sure it wasn't an accident and tries to figure out who's behind it. Why this suddenly doesn't make sense?

In order for everything to make sense, you have to believe in some basic parameters of the fictional world. Like in Aliens, if you start denying the existence of creatures with acid instead of blood, arguing that this is impossible - well, damn, dude, why even start watching sci-fi then? Nobody claims that WiAB is a documentary novel written based on the biography of a retired mafia boss.
Hi!
Apples and oranges! Sci-Fi is a different genre apart from a halfway normal contemporary setting. Even if we suspend disbelief for the super stupid rules of the MAFIA wotld Ocean pulled out where the sun does not shine there is a point you consistently ignore. Probably because neither you nor any other white knight of Ocean has a good answer for it. Even if we SoD the idiot rules Ocean uses, there is no, absolutely no logical or even emotional, reason for Willi to ever return to Wollust!
 

yossa999

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Hi!
Apples and oranges! Sci-Fi is a different genre apart from a halfway normal contemporary setting. Even if we suspend disbelief for the super stupid rules of the MAFIA wotld Ocean pulled out where the sun does not shine there is a point you consistently ignore. Probably because neither you nor any other white knight of Ocean has a good answer for it. Even if we SoD the idiot rules Ocean uses, there is no, absolutely no logical or even emotional, reason for Willi to ever return to Wollust!
Hello there.

Suspension of disbelief is a universal concept that applies to any fictional content. How about unisex college showers, nothing bothers you about that? Or math tests for juniors from a correction school given to the freshmen in college? And a magic powder that turns a regular med student into a sex giant who fucks four MILFs senseless?

As for the reasons for MC to return, there is no, absolutely no logical or even emotional reason for you to repeat it like a broken record. I don't care what you believe or not.
 

Raed2A

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Yeah guy changes the relationships to anything different than landladies and roommates and everyone starts to freak out, relax, just need somebody to patch it back in and we're good.
If he really wanted to remove incest he would keep the characters as is and just don't develop any sexual scenes with them.
Nope a game where u have to fix the devs plot is not a game where it's targeted to the audience
 

Crashbullet

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As for the reasons for MC to return, there is no, absolutely no logical or even emotional reason for you to repeat it like a broken record. I don't care what you believe or not.
And if it was from the very beginning, okay, but it explodes like a nuclear bomb in ch4 and nothing led to it. As if John Wick at the end resurrected on the steps, got into a spaceship and flew to bomb the syndicate colony on Mars.
I speak for myself, but it was precisely because of the close realism that I loved this game.
I can't accept it when drama is turned into fantasy.



Can I believe in organized crime, that the son crossed the line of kinship, in tyrant parents, that over time MC missed them and returned? Yes, I can. It is easier to believe in a club in the city center with prostitution, where they sell drugs and transport weapons, the alpha Willie that everyone wants.
Can I believe that mafia syndicates from BIG families with feudal jokes, killed two big families, took the children they wanted to kill in the same way, gave them without adoption and documents to another family, that the children fell in love with those to whom they were given as a "cup" which will then be given to another family (Leah doesn't know about this, and Katie Willie?), in exchange for power? No, this is complete nonsense.

I'll come to terms with it in time, but it's become a fantasy, like communal showers in college.


Damn, I promised I'd quit this, but I got carried away again and went into this thread.
 

X2JZcf

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I just realized, Katie is 19 now, William ran away 8 years ago when he was 18. It turns out that an 18y dude old kissed and made move on 11y :devilish:. Ocean cut off incest,but add pedobear ;)
Plus, he was constantly fighting with her. Leia too.:WeSmart:
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Icekatana

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I just realized, Katie is 19 now, William ran away 8 years ago when he was 18. It turns out that an 18y dude old kissed and made move on 11y :devilish:. Ocean cut off incest,but add pedobear ;)
He absolutely did not run away when he was 18. He went to juvenile prison not long after he ran away. You have to be under 18 for that.

Also, I don't think it's expressly stated that he kisses Katie. Before the reworks, the reason why he ran away is because Katie was going to rat him and Leia out for having a forbidden relationship.
 

yossa999

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He absolutely did not run away when he was 18. He went to juvenile prison not long after he ran away. You have to be under 18 for that.

Also, I don't think it's expressly stated that he kisses Katie. Before the reworks, the reason why he ran away is because Katie was going to rat him and Leia out for having a forbidden relationship.
Probably Katie didn't trust you enough in your playthrough and you haven't reached this branch:
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Lord Bradley

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I don't remember if I made a comment after trying this latest update, but wanted to just quickly mention while overall it did feel disappointing considering amount of time it took to develop all is not bad. Before this update it looked like the Pornstar Career would be slowburned with mentions of lewd photoshoots as first steps, but unless I'm completely clueless (I did skip some dialogues seeking scenes not gonna lie) it looks like it will go straight to porn like I'm sure people who go this route wanted. Yeah it sucks that this whole update is basically just a setup for the juicy bits, but I'm glad there is at least something to look forward to. Now if the next update doesn't deliver the spice it would be concerning. Anyway, Miru is such a hot piece of ass it's insane... I love the subtle dialogue differences and body language differences depending on how you tinkered with your choices (thanks for people in the thread who gave short guides on when to deny and when to indulge in Miru affairs, you know who you are).
 

RNasc4444

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I just realized, Katie is 19 now, William ran away 8 years ago when he was 18. It turns out that an 18y dude old kissed and made move on 11y :devilish:. Ocean cut off incest,but add pedobear ;)
We've had this discussion here. For the timeline and context to make sense after this new rework, William had to have left at around the age of 16. Since then about 7 and a half to 8 years have passed which would put him at around 24-25. Katie does not seem to be in her first year of College which probably means she's at least 19 maybe 20. Making the age gap of 4-5 years probably. So yeah you can argue that a 16 year old kissing an 11-12 year old is still creepy but legally it doesn't make him a pdf.
 

Dingolingo

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We've had this discussion here. For the timeline and context to make sense after this new rework, William had to have left at around the age of 16. Since then about 7 and a half to 8 years have passed which would put him at around 24-25. Katie does not seem to be in her first year of College which probably means she's at least 19 maybe 20. Making the age gap of 4-5 years probably. So yeah you can argue that a 16 year old kissing an 11-12 year old is still creepy but legally it doesn't make him a pdf.
well.. technically and legally, pedo means prepubescent. so 12 and lower.
and legally, willy wonka is eligible for jail time at that age difference.
 

RNasc4444

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well.. technically and legally, pedo means prepubescent. so 12 and lower.
and legally, willy wonka is eligible for jail time at that age difference.
Well you're right. I stand corrected. Did not take age of consent laws into account. Fair enough.
 
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Ratonton

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Anyone who played the game both with and without the Uncut Edition mod noticed any difference? I know that the mod rewrites the dialogs to improve the game's flow, but does it actually do? I played only the original version but it looked fine for me... Any experiences with the mod? Is it worth to play over again with it?
 

jadepaladin

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Anyone who played the game both with and without the Uncut Edition mod noticed any difference? I know that the mod rewrites the dialogs to improve the game's flow, but does it actually do? I played only the original version but it looked fine for me... Any experiences with the mod? Is it worth to play over again with it?
Stuff like the intro cinematic got re-added, renders that weren't used got tossed back in, etc. You can read all about it on the mod page under features.
 
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