VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[byaaahh]

Technically we were already at chapter 6

True, but dev time massively bloated in the remake. Can't even remember if the remake was underway when Regium left, its been so long.

It feels like these games aren't being made to tell a story anymore, they're only to demonstrate the Ocean can make beautiful renders.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

It feels like these games aren't being made to tell a story anymore, they're only to demonstrate the Ocean can make beautiful renders.

I can't deny it, it seems like the story has become secondary to any gimmicks or graphical improvements that Ocean wants to introduce.

 

[SweatyDevil]

True, but dev time massively bloated in the remake. Can't even remember if the remake was underway when Regium left, its been so long.

It feels like these games aren't being made to tell a story anymore, they're only to demonstrate the Ocean can make beautiful renders.

For him, it's all about business at this point. It's not his passion anymore, just business.

 

[link18]

For him, it's all about business at this point. It's not his passion anymore, just business.

At least he is passionate about humongous boobs

 

[RNasc4444]

Gotta play devil's advocate here for a bit.

Just imagine how much further along we would be if he just stuck to one project...

If there is one thing I can understand in the entirety of Ocean's development process is the need to delve into a secondary project to prevent burning out on a single title or story. Sometimes ideas and inspiration dry out and switching to another project can keep things fresh for a bit until you're ready to return. Sure it sucks for us but I can see it working out great for him.

Now that Mav's involuntarily away for a bit, I'll take this chance to say I wouldn't mind if WiAB was taken out back and put out of it's misery

For him, it's all about business at this point. It's not his passion anymore, just business.

Which again, this is the man's livelyhood. Gotta keep that in mind. As much as I despise the changes to both novels, I understand that sometimes you do what you gotta do.

 

[Malicre]

Gotta play devil's advocate here for a bit.


If there is one thing I can understand in the entirety of Ocean's development process is the need to delve into a secondary project to prevent burning out on a single title or story. Sometimes ideas and inspiration dry out and switching to another project can keep things fresh for a bit until you're ready to return. Sure it sucks for us but I can see it working out great for him.

Now that Mav's involuntarily away for a bit, I'll take this chance to say I wouldn't mind if WiAB was taken out back and put out of it's misery

Which again, this is the man's livelyhood. Gotta keep that in mind. As much as I despise the changes to both novel's, I understand that sometimes you do what you gotta do.

There's earning a living and there's just not giving a shit about what your doing anymore. If steam told him to make the game PG13 he would do it because his fans wouldn't go anywhere and they would support him even with the change.

There are other options besides steam but nah he can't work with 75% income he needs the whole kit and kaboodle. We know for a fact that there are games that have been removed for steam and are making a KILLING on their own website like no mercy but no he wants the general steam income instead of making a good product that would sell through word of mouth.

And yes i donate to various projects multiple times throughout the year but i don't support devs who change their original vision just to make a quick buck. It's scummy, its sleazy and its lazy, hell you guys are lucky to get one update a year.

 

[RNasc4444]

There's earning a living and there's just not giving a shit about what your doing anymore. If steam told him to make the game PG13 he would do it because his fans wouldn't go anywhere and they would support him even with the change.

There are other options besides steam but nah he can't work with 75% income he needs the whole kit and kaboodle. We know for a fact that there are games that have been removed for steam and are making a KILLING on their own website like no mercy but no he wants the general steam income instead of making a good product that would sell through word of mouth.

And yes i donate to various projects multiple times throughout the year but i don't support devs who change their original vision just to make a quick buck. It's scummy, its sleazy and its lazy, hell you guys are lucky to get one update a year.

All fair points. And I've shat on the guy A LOT for kowtowing to publishing platforms, music license holders, etc.. He could have and should have looked for alternative ways of distributing his games but he chose to go mainstream, to go after the big bucks. Problem is he failed to take into account that both his games had a very central theme that is now considered extremely "toxic" in any mainstream platform. And the result is this shitshow.

The only point I disagree is that he no longer cares about his games.

 

[byaaahh]

If there is one thing I can understand in the entirety of Ocean's development process is the need to delve into a secondary project to prevent burning out on a single title or story. Sometimes ideas and inspiration dry out and switching to another project can keep things fresh for a bit until you're ready to return. Sure it sucks for us but I can see it working out great for him.

The issue is that he took on two monumental projects. Updating from the old version was necessary, deciding to upscale to 4k renders when you can't even get an update out in under a year is adding unnecessary time, not to mention the more and more lengthy animations. He should just adhere to the KISS method... Keep It Simple.

We are at what? Chapter 4 after 4 years of reworking, with literally zero branching (except choosing if Miru gets groped and showering with Katie). If it's taking a year to churn out linear updates, what's going to be the ETA when there are 6 or 7 branches?

 

[OniChichii]

i think the thing he should do is make is own web site put his twos games without any cencorship put advertasing in the popular sites (f95 and others) and i'm persuaded he would bank people would turn in i'm pretty sure. personally i would. because now he lost almost everything boths is patreon ectect and his stories are a mess now...

 

[WaltS]

i think the thing he should do is make is own web site put his twos games without any cencorship put advertasing in the popular sites (f95 and others) and i'm persuaded he would bank people would turn in i'm pretty sure. personally i would. because now he lost almost everything boths is patreon ectect and his stories are a mess now...

Well, following your proposal how would he cash in? Bitcoin / crypto is still a very small niche for most ppl and the major payment processors are the real culprits for the way Patreon / Itch / Subscribestar behave towards AVN devs.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Now that Mav's involuntarily away for a bit, I'll take this chance to say I wouldn't mind if WiAB was taken out back and put out of it's misery

XD

We are at what? Chapter 4 after 4 years of reworking, with literally zero branching (except choosing if Miru gets groped and showering with Katie). If it's taking a year to churn out linear updates, what's going to be the ETA when there are 6 or 7 branches?

Shit imagine SG with 16+ LI, some we haven't even talked to yet