VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[Avaron1974]

she was a bitch to him

No she wasn't.

She ignored him because the man she was in love with told her to but she wasn;t a bitch to him. She never abused him or did anything cruel she just stayed out of his way.

It has been said in the game multiple times how they got on really well at the start and she was like a mother to him until his dad decided otherwise.

She had no say because she wasn't his mother so she just avoided him.

they do not absolve her,

Absolve her of what?

 

[DA22]

No she wasn't.

She ignored him because the man she was in love with told her to but she wasn;t a bitch to him. She never abused him or did anything cruel she just stayed out of his way.

It has been said in the game multiple times how they got on really well at the start and she was like a mother to him until his dad decided otherwise.

She had no say because she wasn't his mother so she just avoided him.



Absolve her of what?

What you say would be true if ignoring is not a form of emotional abuse as well especially to a child and if we did not have the situation of her throwing him out as soon as his dad died. So no, even though I will accept and even agree with your point Elaine is not a total monster likely.

That she was blameless and acted as MC's friend or a good stepmother all those years I will not agree with either, even if she may have had her reasons especially cause of the dad, she still made the choice to comply. If she is genuine in her conversion that is something she agrees with as well in game, that she was not blameless in her actions and had some need to apologize for that to MC.

 

[Ariostebaldo]

No she wasn't.

She ignored him because the man she was in love with told her to but she wasn;t a bitch to him. She never abused him or did anything cruel she just stayed out of his way.

It has been said in the game multiple times how they got on really well at the start and she was like a mother to him until his dad decided otherwise.

She had no say because she wasn't his mother so she just avoided him.



Absolve her of what?

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[felicemastronzo]

No she wasn't.

She ignored him because the man she was in love with told her to but she wasn;t a bitch to him. She never abused him or did anything cruel she just stayed out of his way.

It has been said in the game multiple times how they got on really well at the start and she was like a mother to him until his dad decided otherwise.

She had no say because she wasn't his mother so she just avoided him.



Absolve her of what?

I have a fairly 'guarantor' position for Elaine.

But the fact that she feels the need to apologise often to MC is a clear and indisputable sign that she has something to apologise for.

the fact that she behaved in a certain way because she was pushed and manipulated by the person she loved gives her justification, not absolution.

For love, one does shit, sometimes quite serious.

 

[Avaron1974]

What you say would be true if ignoring is not a form of emotional abuse as well especially to a child and if we did not have the situation of her throwing him out as soon as his dad died. So no, even though I will accept and even agree with your point Elaine is not a total monster likely.

That she was blameless and acted as MC's friend or a good stepmother all those years I will not agree with either, even if she may have had her reasons especially cause of the dad, she still made the choice to comply. If she is genuine in her conversion that is something she agrees with as well in game, that she was not blameless in her actions and had some need to apologize for that to MC.

He wasn't a child, he was a teenager. By the time his dad had stepped in to stop everything he was old enough to understand why and what was going on.

Also she did fight it, she fought it for years but didn't get anywhere.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Like the person above me said out of a greater dislike for Elaine as I have, promises are just empty words until you deliver on them and I also said fact she keeps will conditions secret is also needed plot armor since devs are not prepared to reveal them to us players yet.

The ambiguity is there on purpose, Yes the conversion of Elaine might be genuine and she might indeed intend the best for him overall. Where her choices and loyalty might also be somewhat different in the end if MC is in a relation with her alone or not. (Remember Cheeky said that there would be one or two females that would be cheating MC on every route, that might also imply that some of the other females might do same and betray MC (maybe due to his own cheating) on the other paths depending on your relation with them.

That means that even sweet Jenna, Katie, Monica, probably especially Zarah if break some hearts she already warned you about and maybe even more might have your worst interest in mind depending on our choices. I suspect Elaine is one of the characters for whom that will play out pretty strongly and your choices as MC might make a big difference in the outcome of her actions.

even revealing the conditions of the will would be just talk of no value... either you trust it or you don't

It's a choice you make in the game as in life.

in my opinion you have misunderstood the words of the developers... no girl will betray Mc in a sexual sense, some have their own goals that go beyond MC (Elaine is obvious, then there is the third heiress and it is not excluded that other girls have their own motivations, Jolina could have some regardless if she is the gold digger or not)

a different matter is how they will behave in case Mc betrays them in a blatant way and with whom he will do it, in that case plates and knives could fly

 

[Gold613]

He wasn't a child, he was a teenager. By the time his dad had stepped in to stop everything he was old enough to understand why and what was going on.

Also she did fight it, she fought it for years but didn't get anywhere.

For some people there is no point in explaining even if it is written in black and white, if there is something to take away what justifies their hate they refuse to accept it as it will take away their reason to hate and there for gloss over the truth.

Plenty of wording and plenty of explanation and plenty of context has been provided yet refused to be seen. They already judged that person and accepting that there is evidence proving their judgement incorrect and that means going against their "truth"

They only see what they want to see and read what they want to read, it is like you can provide em with 10 reasons with evidence why someone is innocent and have 1 reason why they might be guilty, and they will choose that one reason of guilt even though compared to the 10 reasons they ARE innocent, it pretty much becomes non existant.

 

[DA22]

He wasn't a child, he was a teenager. By the time his dad had stepped in to stop everything he was old enough to understand why and what was going on.

Also she did fight it, she fought it for years but didn't get anywhere.

MC is still a teenager and she fought it for years? His recollection is that he has been ignored by her for years after she was first trying to be kind to him. 12 is also still a child, even if not the same as 6 yo and her later ignoring him after first being friendly hurt likely even more for an mc that did not lose his mom long before that.

She accepted the conditions of the father for her reasons instead of walking away unless she got her way. Also she still threw him out at the first opportunity when Dad was gone. Now to me those are neither the actions of a friend to MC or a good stepmother (at the very best an indifferent one) or stepfather for that matter if she had been male and the dad a mom, not by a long shot even if cause of the dad there are extenuating circumstances.

Now I have no problems if she had a conversion after reading will and reevaluated her earlier behavior and even less with fact if she is genuine she does feel some remorse and guilt rightfully over her actions and that her earliest actions when she was friendly to MC make it possible for them to reconnect. That do not make her earlier actions right or any better, just may give hope for the future.

 

[Avaron1974]

MC is still a teenager and she fought it for years? His recollection is that he has been ignored by her for years after she was first trying to be kind to him. 12 is also still a child,

She didn't start ignoring him at 12.

IT was said this update they had family meals for a long time until his dad decided it was a waste.

His recollection is him lashing out, the game, Elaine, the dads will and Bella all state she fought him for years on how things were with his son with the dad mocking her in his will for wanting to mother him.

I'm not asking people to like Elaine but all of you "hating" on her are blaming her for stuff that never happened.

 

[hottarod]

Crazy psycho bitches, gold diggers, old horny dog women, selfish ho's, emotionally damaged and scarred. Nice cast of characters. Its a little too close to reality almost. I kept looking for the scene where I could just gag that Katie, tie her up in her closet and leave her there, LOL.

I got so aggravated that I deleted the thing but I will pick it back up, reset my strategy and make some more runs at it. It is out of my character to just give the meat to everything that spreads its legs but sometimes that is required to find out who all is who in the end. I hope there are at least a few story lines in this one that end up with people having some redeeming qualities.

 

[Machete]

I wonder if there is any safe sidefuck in the game. I mean, this game is very long and very forked, which is just great. But on the other side it makes playing it multiple times a big deal. And it gets you to a problem: If you want to play a very monogamous game, to aim for a good end, it might be boring to deal for so long with so many ladies and bang none. If you enjoy a bit of freedom, on the other end, it could be frustrating to get a bad ending. I'm not speaking of obviously incompatible relationships, like, getting serious with Monica and one of the sisters. But for istance, having occasional sex with the carnival girl or with Wanda, would it impact on the choosen route? It would be cool to know before embarking on a new run of the game.

 

[Avaron1974]

Crazy psycho bitches, gold diggers, old horny dog women, selfish ho's, emotionally damaged and scarred. Nice cast of characters. Its a little too close to reality almost. I kept looking for the scene where I could just gag that Katie, tie her up in her closet and leave her there, LOL.

Look, you are asking a lot there, there is no way that will ever happen.





I will never believe you know women irl

I wonder if there is any safe sidefuck in the game. I mean, this game is very long and very forked, which is just great. But on the other side it makes playing it multiple times a big deal. And it gets you to a problem: If you want to play a very monogamous game, to aim for a good end, it might be boring to deal for so long with so many ladies and bang none. If you enjoy a bit of freedom, on the other end, it could be frustrating to get a bad ending. I'm not speaking of obviously incompatible relationships, like, getting serious with Monica and one of the sisters. But for istance, having occasional sex with the carnival girl or with Wanda, would it impact on the choosen route? It would be cool to know before embarking on a new run of the game.

Carnival girl, Mabel I think, and Natasha are the only side fucks.

Wanda has a route.

 

[DA22]

She didn't start ignoring him at 12.

IT was said this update they had family meals for a long time until his dad decided it was a waste.

His recollection is him lashing out, the game, Elaine, the dads will and Bella all state she fought him for years on how things were with his son with the dad mocking her in his will for wanting to mother him.

I'm not asking people to like Elaine but all of you "hating" on her are blaming her for stuff that never happened.

Where is the hate? I do not think she is perfect and certainly do not think she acted perfectly in past. The ignoring was also something that had been going on for years, nor do I think she is a monster per se.

Considering fact MC does remind her of his dad in many ways I would not even be surprised if she would manage to get the whole inheritance (either in a less nice way or cause the others fail) she will be happy enough to share with MC at least a bit if genuine. (Now might I be surprised if Elaine would like the inheritance and a love relation with MC where she would have the financial upper hand so he could not treat he like his dad did (would not be so weird after her years with dad and then also finding out he cheated on her) or that she would support whatever he would want to do with his life if they end up in a more M/S relation as in a lovers relation. No.)

I also suggested in a post that was removed for whatever reason that reason why Elaine might be asking for the house is that she found out that if she had the will fought and annulled, the most likely outcome will be that MC will be the sole heir to dad's fortune (unlss there were contracts between Dad and Elaine and she can proof that that would give her rights to part inheritance) and that question means she might even be seriously contemplating doing that for him. Does that sound like I think she is for sure his enemy or a monster?

Also a suspicion I have that Elaine may well have an idea who Dizzy is when she found out at will she was cheated on by the dad(the woman that cucked her and is a danger to both her inheritance and of MC if she does care for him), since she knew dad's life better as MC. Now her talking about that to MC might be hard since it might well be that she fears that MC may think she would try to paint a rival for his affection in a bad light. On the other hand she might well have some not so nice feelings for Dizzy and if she would believe MC would take care of her somewhat, what would she be willing to give up for revenge?

 

[PipeLayer2000]

I had never done anything on the Elaine path until this update. I'm really glad I decided to give it a go, as her date night was really good. I actually liked her update the best (minus the cliffhanger, of course).

 

[MrFriendly]

He wasn't a child, he was a teenager. By the time his dad had stepped in to stop everything he was old enough to understand why and what was going on.

Also she did fight it, she fought it for years but didn't get anywhere.

Do we know the exact timing? At least I don't recall it being stated that the MC was x years old when Elaine started dating the dad and they had a good relationship for x years before Don told her to ignore/neglect the MC. It could have been years of a good relationship or months.

Where does it say she fought it? Did the MC have memories of that fact or is it something that Elaine or Bella said? Why would we trust them?

And just because he was a teenager, which is a huge range in age and maturity, doesn't mean it didn't hurt him when Elaine did begin to ignore him. Being a teenager when it happened doesn't magically make it better that she listened to the asshole and followed his orders. She's already an idiot for dating/loving Don, the fact that she loved him to the point she would completely ignore another human being...

 

[Hellkinglucifer]

Do we know the exact timing? At least I don't recall it being stated that the MC was x years old when Elaine started dating the dad and they had a good relationship for x years before Don told her to ignore/neglect the MC. It could have been years of a good relationship or months.

Where does it say she fought it? Did the MC have memories of that fact or is it something that Elaine or Bella said? Why would we trust them?

And just because he was a teenager, which is a huge range in age and maturity, doesn't mean it didn't hurt him when Elaine did begin to ignore him. Being a teenager when it happened doesn't magically make it better that she listened to the asshole and followed his orders. She's already an idiot for dating/loving Don, the fact that she loved him to the point she would completely ignore another human being...

It was never stated but kudos to them creating all sort of fake facts or arguments and twisting words to make her look good.
Apparently we should believe Bella when she says Elaine was a really nice and caring person before meeting dickface BUT we should not believe when she says elaine threw all his things out. We should also believe elaine version of what happened all those years BUT not believe the mc version(he confirmed she was a bitch right at the start of the game). Indeed we should believe everything she says as the ultimate truth.

 

[Benares]

It was never stated but kudos to them creating all sort of fake facts or arguments and twisting words to make her look good.
Apparently we should believe Bella when she says Elaine was a really nice and caring person before meeting dickface BUT we should not believe when she says elaine threw all his things out. We should also believe elaine version of what happened all those years BUT not believe the mc version(he confirmed she was a bitch right at the start of the game). Indeed we should believe everything she says as the ultimate truth.

Well it is stated that he moved to his dad when he was 11, but we don't know when the meals together stopped and when Elaine became distant (or a bitch, or whatever) to the MC. We do know that both happened around the same time.

As for dumping his belongings, Elaine pleaded guilty on their first meeting (ep 12), asking for forgiveness right away. She also phoned the MC about it before, after sending a mail (I suppose ep 4, but not sure on it)

 

[DA22]

It was never stated but kudos to them creating all sort of fake facts or arguments and twisting words to make her look good.
Apparently we should believe Bella when she says Elaine was a really nice and caring person before meeting dickface BUT we should not believe when she says elaine threw all his things out. We should also believe elaine version of what happened all those years BUT not believe the mc version(he confirmed she was a bitch right at the start of the game). Indeed we should believe everything she says as the ultimate truth.

Well my twelve was also a shot in the dark, but Dad did get MC reasonably soon after his mom died and he was not much more as max an early teen when that happened, based on some things said with Monica at carnival I even assumed slightly younger. That might be bad memory from my side though.

Also I might misremember but Elaine was either already in a relationship with dad when mom died or pretty soon after. She was around at the time of the Monica allegations the way she spoke of it not something she heard 5 years after and had a long relationship with the dad. Also with current age of MC it would not fit he was 16-18 when Elaine came into his life.

Like I said I am willing to believe that Elaine has reevaluated her life and some of her actions especially considering MC after reading the will. There are some hints for that if you take what fortune teller said as literal truth and a few more things, though there is also still not enough communication and trust between MC-Elaine. They are still rebuilding that and her behavior directly after dad died does not help with that, whether Bella told the truth bout his stuff or not. Now we do not know if someone egged her on.

It is also not impossible that Elaine is fully playing MC though and she is still a bitch for whatever reason and just playing Mc to fulfill her condition and did not convert after reading her conditions. Without knowing those conditions we also can not know whether the hints she gave about them to MC are false or not.

Now Bella and what Bella has said. Either we believe as some have interestingly made a case for that Bella may well be the number one suspect to be Dizzy and then we can not believe anything she says also not in defence or attack on Elaine, since she is working to get the whole inheritance and doing whatever it takes. Interesting enough that also means she should keep MC in contact with Monica and family. I can not really remember either Bella or Elaine doing that, besides Bella possibly bringing his stuff over nd we know Dizzy knows his condition. (Now I am somewhat suspicious maybe too many trails lead to Bella and she is a bit too obvious and do keep a few other options open for now, one that would really surprise and disappoint me and as such would make sense if devs want to be mean )

Now if Bella would be Dizzy and as I suspect that Elaine, though she has no proof, might have a strong suspicion who Dizzy is, well that could lead to some interesting fireworks and drama, whether Elaine cares for MC or not and is only cucked by her younger sister.

 

[hottarod]

This is a who is gonna done it to the MC since they haven't done it yet but it is the same principal from a writing point of view like a detective Poirot novel.

Elaine did throw the MC out of the house before his dad was even cold in his grave. She also told him his stuff was going in the trash if he didn't pick it up so she threatened it. At the same time, apparently, there was plenty of spare room in the garage to store his stuff because that is what Bella did. Can't believe anything Elaine is saying or doing or her sister Bella either for that matter. Sister comes before stud dude every time unless both sisters are fighting over how (I swear I typed WHO, ha) is going to get the stud service.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

We never said there'll only be one. We just said we don't see a realistic harem end (Harem meaning ALL women staying with MC knowing and happy to share him with ALL other women)

I suppose that if at the end there is an ending that includes all the LIs that interest me (I can't say how many there are now, but I think a few) I suppose I'll try the game again.