keefer43

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Hey where are all the torches and pitchforks? I thought I left them around here somewhere....
 

Joshy92

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Does anyone know how Katie & Deb will look in the redo or has that not been decided yet? like is it a big or small difference.
(They are my favourite characters)
Also is anyone else going to wait and play this again when it's on steam i know i am.
 
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I'm waiting to see what the redone Monica looks like, been primarily on her path from the start. Looking forward to update also. Hoping we get more anal action action with Katie. Would be interesting if MC could get Monica and Zahara together and with a good dose of wine convinced the two it was threesome party time.
 
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Abhai

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Does anyone know how Katie & Deb will look in the redo or has that not been decided yet? like is it a big or small difference.
(They are my favourite characters)
Also is anyone else going to wait and play this again when it's on steam i know i am.
I'm waiting to see what the redone Monica looks like, been primarily on her path from the start. Looking forward to update also. Hoping we get more anal action action with Katie. Would be interesting if MC could get Monica and Zahara together and with a good dose of wine convinced the two it was threesome party time.
did you play the game up to the latest episode (or at least few latest ones) yet?
if you did, there you have "new" looks for all chicks (katie, monica, zarah...), as the big revamp took a place a while ago.
 

Joshy92

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did you play the game up to the latest episode (or at least few latest ones) yet?
if you did, there you have "new" looks for all chicks (katie, monica, zarah...), as the big revamp took a place a while ago.
i didn't think about that yeah i did play it i just thought they were changing again damn i'm dumb:FacePalm:
 
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did you play the game up to the latest episode (or at least few latest ones) yet?
if you did, there you have "new" looks for all chicks (katie, monica, zarah...), as the big revamp took a place a while ago.
Yes, I've played this through several times and I guess I just didn't notice any major changes. Will have to look again.
 
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WhiteyG

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Yeah, the writing/branching is a nightmare too. I painted myself into a corner giving too many options :) but I'm committed now so I'm going to see it through and not going to start ignoring previous choices just to make things easier/quicker.

Currently writing a scene for EP24 with
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I think all those options and branches are what made this game unique. It also makes it a fun replay to see how things went down other routes. One of the reasons I love the start at any chapter feature you guys have. Lets me go in and see what's what without have to replay the whole game. Definitely went a bit far though considering the nightmare of checks you have to make now. Would've made life easier if it was a harem game, but obviously less realistic.
 

hakarlman

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Just to explain the exponential increase in work for a dev a little better for those who do know how to read and understand...

Lets say you have a scene with a threesome that has say, 20 renders (a conservative number, usually there's lots more). That's one path, 20 renders. BUT, the players want the option to exclude any one or all of the girls. You have Girl 1, 2 and 3. You need a path for all three, a path for girl 1 + 2, a path for girl 1 + 3, a path for girl 2 + 3 if any one of them is excluded. You also need paths if two are excluded, so 1, 2 or 3 (three paths). You also need variables to control all of this so you can write the dialog, checking the variables so the character doesn't mention someone they shouldn't, that's three variables there plus all the dialog rewrites.

So that's 7 separate paths at 20 separate renders per path means your small 20 render scene just ballooned to 140 renders, three extra variables and a whole lot of dialog to account for each path and have fun trying to work out a good story taking into account just these minor changes.

Just so people know... there's a whole lot more you need to think about when making changes.
First, I never asked for re-renders of any kind. I'm asking for a simple SKIP dialogue choice and jump statement. It takes the least amount of time, almost none.

Second, bro, you make it sound like:

- Boolean Variables
- If Then Conditional Statements
- Menu Dialogue Choices
- Jump Statements

Are complicated. THEY'RE NOT. The above is NEWBIE stuff for Ren'py. You literally learn how to do the above stuff in the first 3 hours you learn Ren'py. It's REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY EASY.

I'm looking at CheekyGimp's code right now. This is just rudimentary, basic Ren'py stuff. The guy who designed Ren'py made learning Ren'py as easy as possible. You guys act like it's some big deal, IT'S NOT.

Guys. Listen. I'm not alone with my complaints. READ THE REVIEWS. Other people complain about it too. I'm not this lone voice, tons & tons of other people are complaining about the forced sexual scenarios which could've been easily avoided with a few lines of code.

You guys are stuck in 2016. It's 2023, wake up. Forced sexual scenarios are DUMB, unles it's a kinetic novel or there are only 1-2 women npc in the game.

I'm trying to grab you guys by the shirt collar and drag you into the current year.

Okay, thank you for hearnig me out. Cheekygimp thank you for hearing me out. I will no longer respond to this thread as to not spam. But you guys are wrong, 100% wrong if you think the fixes that are needed are complicated. They're not, they can be done in less than a day, and Cheekygimp's Reviews would jump to perfect 5 stars, and his revenue would go up, but you guys give him such bad advice. So sad. This game had so much potential.
 
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HornyyPussy

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First, I never asked for re-renders of any kind. I'm asking for a simple SKIP dialogue choice and jump statement. It takes the least amount of time, almost none.

Second, bro, you make it sound like:

- Boolean Variables
- If Then Conditional Statements
- Menu Dialogue Choices
- Jump Statements

Are complicated. THEY'RE NOT. The above is NEWBIE stuff for Ren'py. You literally learn how to do the above stuff in the first 3 hours you learn Ren'py. It's REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY EASY.

I'm looking at CheekyGimp's code right now. This is just rudimentary, basic Ren'py stuff. The guy who designed Ren'py made learning Ren'py as easy as possible. You guys act like it's some big deal, IT'S NOT.

Guys. Listen. I'm not alone with my complaints. READ THE REVIEWS. Other people complain about it too. I'm not this lone voice, tons & tons of other people are complaining about the forced sexual scenarios which could've been easily avoided with a few lines of code.

You guys are stuck in 2016. It's 2023, wake up. Forced sexual scenarios are DUMB, unles it's a kinetic novel or there are only 1-2 women npc in the game.

I'm trying to grab you guys by the shirt collar and drag you into the current year.

Okay, thank you for hearnig me out. Cheekygimp thank you for hearing me out. I will no longer respond to this thread as to not spam. But you guys are wrong, 100% wrong if you think the fixes that are needed are complicated. They're not, they can be done in less than a day, and Cheekygimp's Reviews would jump to perfect 5 stars, and his revenue would go up, but you guys give him such bad advice. So sad. This game had so much potential.
You are talking about 2 different things. Yes or No to sleep with a LI is already possible in the game, what you talked about before was to more or less completely remove some of the girls from the game which is something different altogether......
 

listenerDave

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Yeah, the writing/branching is a nightmare too. I painted myself into a corner giving too many options :) but I'm committed now so I'm going to see it through and not going to start ignoring previous choices just to make things easier/quicker.

I'm the little kid at the doughnut shop kicking and screaming on the floor saying "I want them all!!"
CheekyGimp "NO, if you pay attention, you can have 2 or 3 but you can't have them all."
Sits in a corner with my 3 trying to figure out how to get more without loosing all.

This game is awesome. Last time I played, I got fun time with both sisters and thought I somehow ended up in Narnia. (because that was so awesome)
 

Jessie

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Yeah, the writing/branching is a nightmare too. I painted myself into a corner giving too many options :) but I'm committed now so I'm going to see it through and not going to start ignoring previous choices just to make things easier/quicker.

Currently writing a scene for EP24 with
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Well as for me .. Please take your time .. I really enjoy this game more than many others I have played.. I would hate to see it blow up from you getting burnt out due to ❄ Complaining
 

Messire_ORION

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I tryed to download this episode 2 time and eatch time i launch it (start new game), i got this error.
After have start with the 23 part and make choise, the game work, i am at the start atm.

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.​
While running game code:​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in script​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in script​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in <module>​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
TypeError: '>=' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'​
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------​
Full traceback:​
File "D:\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep23-pc\renpy\bootstrap.py", line 277, in bootstrap​
renpy.main.main()​
File "D:\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep23-pc\renpy\main.py", line 660, in main​
run(restart)​
File "D:\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep23-pc\renpy\main.py", line 146, in run​
renpy.execution.run_context(True)​
File "D:\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep23-pc\renpy\execution.py", line 938, in run_context​
context.run()​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in script​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
File "/home/tom/ab/renpy-build/tmp/install.linux-x86_64/lib/python3.9/site-packages/future/utils/__init__.py", line 441, in raise_​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in script​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
File "D:\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep23-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 2115, in execute​
if renpy.python.py_eval(condition):​
File "D:\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep23-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1092, in py_eval​
return py_eval_bytecode(code, globals, locals)​
File "D:\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep23-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1085, in py_eval_bytecode​
return eval(bytecode, globals, locals)​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in <module>​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
TypeError: '>=' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'​
Windows-10-10.0.19044 AMD64​
Ren'Py 8.0.3.22090809​
Where The Heart Is Ep23​
Sat Apr 8 19:04:10 2023​
 
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ILoveSucuk

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I tryed to download this episode 2 time and eatch time i launch it (start new game), i got this error.
After have start with the 23 part and make choise, the game work, i am at the start atm.

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.​
While running game code:​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in script​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in script​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in <module>​
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:​
TypeError: '>=' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'​
Yeah this is an annoying Bug which exists since forever - literally. The Devs have never fixed that Bug. Atleast in the currently existing Builds which are publicly available. Either the Devs do not care or forgot it. It is annoying but luckily restarting "fixes it" as you already found out.​
 

ramvivat

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HELP! =)

in update 23, a song plays in the menu.
who is the author and who is the performer?
I want to find the lyrics of the song (want to know about what this song).
this song fits this game very well (it seems like this song was written specifically for this game - there are no contradictions here. Yes, I don't know what this song is about, but the background that this song creates is very in tune with the impression of the game) -
it's spinning in my head, I can't kick it out for a day already =)

the moment of the reunion of MC and Elaine - in my opinion this is sung in the song in these words "we are whole again" (if I understood these words correctly)
 
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