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Just weird to think that three people won't be sexual together unless the MC is there. Sex should happen without the MC being present. Katie could decide to experiment with her two best friends, a little alcohol, naked hotness, and a completely private beach house can lead to a lot of things.
Agreed.
I want Debbie and Lily to be happy together but I don't feel that the MC should be required to participate for the two of them to get together.
Again agreed, but to be fair it has been set up that Lily is completely blind to Debbie's affections as she doesn't see her that way. Katie is no help in that regard as she doesn't see either that way and it doesn't even come onto her radar (within the story) unless the MC pushes those "Adventurous" buttons. The MC is just our (The players) way of interacting with these characters. Some things will hit, some things will miss.
Overall just unhappy to see an update devoted to one scene that, it seems, many people aren't thrilled with due to how it is handled. Of course it is a beta so it can be changed. For me I think it is a waste of an update to have this 1 giant sex scene.
Yeah, I can see that, but it was said in advance that this ep would be mostly about this encounter. I'm sure it will all come together in the full version. ;)
 

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Agreed.

Again agreed, but to be fair it has been set up that Lily is completely blind to Debbie's affections as she doesn't see her that way. Katie is no help in that regard as she doesn't see either that way and it doesn't even come onto her radar (within the story) unless the MC pushes those "Adventurous" buttons. The MC is just our (The players) way of interacting with these characters. Some things will hit, some things will miss.

Yeah, I can see that, but it was said in advance that this ep would be mostly about this encounter. I'm sure it will all come together in the full version. ;)
Yeah, it's the one thing I feel that they miscalculated with this game. At this point, so late in the development, devoting so much time to one sex scene is unnecessary. The MC/player has fucked every single one of these women solo and now the only reason for the scene is so they fuck each other - there is nothing new, sexually, for the MC/player beyond watching the three of them get together. If that isn't the players kink or the player has the MC on a solo route (with one of them or someone else) this update is filler.

Obviously only my opinion (to be clear) but it would be nice to see something advance the actual plot.
 

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Yeah, it's the one thing I feel that they miscalculated with this game. At this point, so late in the development, devoting so much time to one sex scene is unnecessary. The MC/player has fucked every single one of these women solo and now the only reason for the scene is so they fuck each other - there is nothing new, sexually, for the MC/player beyond watching the three of them get together. If that isn't the players kink or the player has the MC on a solo route (with one of them or someone else) this update is filler.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I haven't and won't play this episode until it is fully fleshed out so I can't and won't judge it just from what others have played and felt about it.
Its not really 100% set in stone that the MC has fucked them all. Maybe in your game, or in peoples game that are going after everyone or just this specific route. I know it may not be to everyone's liking but again it was stated that 19 was going to be the 3some/4some and that is just the destination we find ourselves at until we move past it. For those not interested in any of these characters featured I can see why you'd be very frustrated by an episode like this but again, I can't judge something I haven't played yet.
Obviously only my opinion (to be clear) but it would be nice to see something advance the actual plot.
Yeah (y) And the next episode (20) was said to be the one to pick back up with the main plot. I don't know by how much but the wheels will start turning again next time around. ;)
 

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Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I haven't and won't play this episode until it is fully fleshed out so I can't and won't judge it just from what others have played and felt about it.
Its not really 100% set in stone that the MC has fucked them all. Maybe in your game, or in peoples game that are going after everyone or just this specific route. I know it may not be to everyone's liking but again it was stated that 19 was going to be the 3some/4some and that is just the destination we find ourselves at until we move past it. For those not interested in any of these characters featured I can see why you'd be very frustrated by an episode like this but again, I can't judge something I haven't played yet.

Yeah (y) And the next episode (20) was said to be the one to pick back up with the main plot. I don't know by how much but the wheels will start turning again next time around. ;)
I understand and that was why I was trying to ensure that I was just speaking for myself. I have a solo Katie route and a solo Monica route as my two chosen playthroughs. I was happy to help Debbie with Lily but I don't want the MC to have to be there for it to happen. I know people weren't happy that last update was so Monica focused and I sympathize with them.

Wish game developers didn't alternate between LI each update. When was the last time there was Jenna content? Angel? Wanda? Jolina? How long have those fans been waiting?
 

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I understand and that was why I was trying to ensure that I was just speaking for myself. I have a solo Katie route and a solo Monica route as my two chosen playthroughs. I was happy to help Debbie with Lily but I don't want the MC to have to be there for it to happen. I know people weren't happy that last update was so Monica focused and I sympathize with them.

Wish game developers didn't alternate between LI each update. When was the last time there was Jenna content? Angel? Wanda? Jolina? How long have those fans been waiting?
Wanda has a really good scene in this update ;)
 

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    renpy.with_statement(trans)
IOError: Couldn't find file 'E19/E19SW_WBA00.jpg'.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

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  File "renpy/display/render.pyx", line 259, in renpy.display.render.render (gen\renpy.display.render.c:3520)
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  File "renpy/display/render.pyx", line 166, in renpy.display.render.render (gen\renpy.display.render.c:4075)
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  File "renpy/display/render.pyx", line 259, in renpy.display.render.render (gen\renpy.display.render.c:3520)
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  File "L:\F95 GMS\W\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep19 (Beta)-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 722, in render
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  File "renpy/display/render.pyx", line 166, in renpy.display.render.render (gen\renpy.display.render.c:4075)
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  File "renpy/display/render.pyx", line 259, in renpy.display.render.render (gen\renpy.display.render.c:3520)
    rv = d.render(widtho, heighto, st, at)
  File "L:\F95 GMS\W\WhereTheHeartIs-Ep19 (Beta)-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 722, in render
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  File "renpy/display/render.pyx", line 166, in renpy.display.render.render (gen\renpy.display.render.c:4075)
    cpdef render(d, object widtho, object heighto, double st, double at):
  File "renpy/display/render.pyx", line 259, in renpy.display.render.render (gen\renpy.display.render.c:3520)
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  File "accelerator.pyx", line 110, in renpy.display.accelerator.transform_render
  File "renpy/display/render.pyx", line 259, in renpy.display.render.render (gen\renpy.display.render.c:3520)
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IOError: Couldn't find file 'E19/E19SW_WBA00.jpg'.

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AFTER lap dance and during anal fuck with Wanda.
Great update this time, many sex scenes with Lily and Debbie exciting the encounter with Elaine great renders. Thanks Gimp Ace CellFantastic Trio like fantastic the novel game WTHI
Fix here.
https://f95zone.to/threads/where-the-heart-is-ep-19-beta-cheekygimp.10549/page-965#post-4725144
 

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Wish game developers didn't alternate between LI each update. When was the last time there was Jenna content? Angel? Wanda? Jolina? How long have those fans been waiting?
This is the main issue with multiple girls and paths. You stretch yourself too thin and either end up with small updates or whole updates given to one or two girls. Something I'm becoming very concious of myself to try and limit. Surely when starting...you know this is going to become an issue (if your story is already laid out). I'd personally rather see a longer update cycle and get content with everyone per update (if the case of numerous ladies and paths to render).

Either way I guess is a tricky situation to solve/work around, ultimately you will make someone unhappy whichever way you decide to handle it.

As for Wanda, she is in this update btw. I agree with you though on the other girls. Back to my first sentance. Many girls just seemt o be completely forgotten for long periods, which in real life...just wouldn't happen...not even if you were FWB's. However, we also have to try and balance/understand...it seems a hell of a long time for us...in game it's a few days at most isn't it. In terms of realism, if the devs know a characater is going to have no screen time for a number of updates, this could (as one example) be easily gotten around with one render and a couple of lines of text of a phone call saying 'really busy with work, catch you nex week' etc (say for example in Angel's case).
 

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Wanda has a really good scene in this update ;)
That's cool but I bet it is really short compared to the giant lesbian fuck fest scene. ;)

I'll catch it when I play this update after 20 is released.

This is the main issue with multiple girls and paths. You stretch yourself too thin and either end up with small updates or whole updates given to one or two girls. Something I'm becoming very concious of myself to try and limit. Surely when starting...you know this is going to become an issue (if your story is already laid out). I'd personally rather see a longer update cycle and get content with everyone per update (if the case of numerous ladies and paths to render).

Either way I guess is a tricky situation to solve/work around, ultimately you will make someone unhappy whichever way you decide to handle it.
Yeah, which is why I am such an advocate for smaller groups of LIs or solo paths being available early. I won't dare use the Ava signal word as an alternative to having an issue with so many people being unhappy with updates that are devoted to one LI. I'd also rather have longer development time and more content with more characters than shorter with one character...

As for Wanda, she is in this update btw. Ai gree with you though on the other girls. Back to my first sentance. Many girls just seemt o be completely forgotten for long periods, which in real life...just wouldn't happen...not even if you were FWB's. However, we also have to try and balance/understand...it seems a hell of a long time for us...in game it's a few days at most isn't it.
Balancing the in game time with development time and providing content for all to enjoy is the biggest issue for these games. I don't know that anyone really strikes the right balance.
 

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I understand and that was why I was trying to ensure that I was just speaking for myself. I have a solo Katie route and a solo Monica route as my two chosen playthroughs.
All I read there was solo Katie. :LOL:
I was happy to help Debbie with Lily but I don't want the MC to have to be there for it to happen.
Yeah, but MC has been set up if you are helping Debbie to be the thing that gives her courage and/can push her to follow her heart. Without the MC there, story wise, Debbie may not have ever taken that risk, which is the whole point to Debbie asking the MC for help in the first place. ;)
Wish game developers didn't alternate between LI each update. When was the last time there was Jenna content? Angel? Wanda? Jolina? How long have those fans been waiting?
However, we also have to try and balance/understand...it seems a hell of a long time for us...in game it's a few days at most isn't it.
This is bang on the money. As frustrating as it sometimes feels, I'm guilty of this also since its been a long development cycle so far but in game we've only progressed about 3 weeks I think, so to us we lose perspective on the in game world and story we're following. (A day counter would be a nice little addition at some point, at least for me, I forgot what day we're up to most of the time)
 

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All I read there was solo Katie. :LOL:

Yeah, but MC has been set up if you are helping Debbie to be the thing that gives her courage and/can push her to follow her heart. Without the MC there, story wise, Debbie may not have ever taken that risk, which is the whole point to Debbie asking the MC for help in the first place. ;)
Yeah, not going to argue as I don't really remember. Just don't see how having the MC physically there would be necessary.


This is bang on the money. As frustrating as it sometimes feels, I'm guilty of this also since its been a long development cycle so far but in game we've only progressed about 3 weeks I think, so to us we lose perspective on the in game world and story we're following. (A day counter would be a nice little addition at some point, at least for me, I forgot what day we're up to most of the time)
Day counter and how far away from an in-game event. We are told that we have to wait until the finalization of the will but I don't know when that is in the game. Tomorrow or a week?

I'd be interested in seeing a dev create a game with time jumps to correspond with the real time going by. Not for a game with a set up like this but maybe a college game or a game where the MC is older and has a job. It would allow the dev to largely ignore the boring parts of life and focus on the fun bits.
 
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Day counter and how far away from an in-game event. We are told that we have to wait until the finalization of the will but I don't know when that is in the game. Tomorrow or a week?
Exactly. I think it was about a month or so until the final will reading in total so we're getting there if we're a little more than 3 weeks in. Bare in mind though, an update could consist of just a day, or a couple so I have no idea how or when the final read is at this point, I'd have to replay fully to refresh my memory.
I'd be interested in seeing a dev create a game with time jumps to correspond with the real time going by. Not for a game with a set up like this but maybe a college game or a game where the MC is older and has a job.
Yeah that could be cool.
It would allow the dev to largely ignore the boring parts of life and focus on the fun bits.
Yeah, stupid work and responsibilities! Who needs that shit! :LOL:
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I'd be interested in seeing a dev create a game with time jumps to correspond with the real time going by. Not for a game with a set up like this but maybe a college game or a game where the MC is older and has a job. It would allow the dev to largely ignore the boring parts of life and focus on the fun bits.
;) ;) ;)
 
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Agreed.

Again agreed, but to be fair it has been set up that Lily is completely blind to Debbie's affections as she doesn't see her that way. Katie is no help in that regard as she doesn't see either that way and it doesn't even come onto her radar (within the story) unless the MC pushes those "Adventurous" buttons. The MC is just our (The players) way of interacting with these characters. Some things will hit, some things will miss.
The catch is that it seems the MC's arrival is what finally pushed Debbie to DO something about her long simmering crush. Now that Debbie is in motion, the MC walking away won't defuse things. The last chance to defuse things was when Katie requested the beach house for the sleepover. Pulling the MC out of the picture now just makes it that much easier for Debbie to work her legendary ninja seduction skills on Lily unimpeded.

If the MC is only interested in Katie, then what happens to Debbie and Lily can be safely left off screen. But if the MC is only interested in Debbie or in Lily, ignoring the issue is a glaring omission.

Yeah, it's the one thing I feel that they miscalculated with this game. At this point, so late in the development, devoting so much time to one sex scene is unnecessary. The MC/player has fucked every single one of these women solo and now the only reason for the scene is so they fuck each other - there is nothing new, sexually, for the MC/player beyond watching the three of them get together. If that isn't the players kink or the player has the MC on a solo route (with one of them or someone else) this update is filler.

Obviously only my opinion (to be clear) but it would be nice to see something advance the actual plot.
I'm largely in agreement with you, but I do think there are two important things to consider here.

First, yes, a big foursome scene is clearly fan service, but not all fan service is bad. In this case, the lingering tension between the MC and Katie's posse has been going on for ages. It was going to have to be brought to a proper boil at some point and this does feel like an appropriate point.

It always sucks to see resources thrown at an option you personally have no interest in, but other people have different tastes. I mean personally, Katie falls extremely flat as a romance option so I'd rather she was sidelined to a supporting character role, but that's hardly fair to all her devout fans (who far outnumber me!). In this particular case I think the interest in the orgy more than justified the time spent on the episode.

The second issue is that, precisely because the MC has been able to fuck each of the girls solo, we eventually need some sort of reckoning to sort out where the four will stand once the MC's liaisons finally out. Given this is a porn game, a big sex scene is a better place to do that than most options.

Unfortunately, it sounds like Episode 19 has not worked out all the resolutions yet, at least for certain paths. The MC has very limited options to prevent Debbie from getting with Lily, and a lot of those efforts are presented in very poor light. On top of that, the episode ends before we actually learn where everyone stands the next day.

That is a serious problem that does undercut the time and effort spent on the blockbuster. I understand the devs faced real world hurdles and didn't want to stonewall the large majority of the fanbase who weren't going to see the missing branches in the first place, but I think it was a mistake to release the episode in this state. At the very least, put some sort of place-holder dialog explaining that a given version of the scene isn't finished yet rather than figuratively cutting to black and assuming we'll work out why our initial fears might not be justified.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the majority of the fan getting a big, fun payoff for a long running sub-plot. But at the same time, I wish it hadn't treated the minority that opted out of that payoff as a literal afterthought. I know it was never intended that way, but it's hard not to feel that way when we get a high-stakes cliffhanger and everyone else goes home satisfied (or never came to the theater at all). We can't read the devs' minds, after all.
 

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The catch is that it seem the MC's arrival is what finally pushed Debbie to DO something about her long simmering crush. Now that Debbie is in motion, the MC walking away won't defuse things. The last chance to defuse things was when Katie requested the beach house for the sleepover. Pulling the MC out of the picture now just makes it that much easier for Debbie to work her legendary ninja seduction skills on Lily unimpeded.

If the MC is only interested in Katie, then what happens to Debbie and Lily can be safely left off screen. But if the MC is only interested in Debbie or in Lily, ignoring the issue is a glaring omission.


I'm largely in agreement with you, but I do think there are two important things to consider here.

First, yes, a big foursome scene is clearly fan service, but not all fan service is bad. In this case, the lingering tension between the MC and Katie's posse has been going on for ages. It was going to have to be brought to a proper boil at some point and this does feel like an appropriate point.

It always sucks to see resources thrown at an option you personally have no interest in, but other people have different tastes. I mean personally, Katie falls extremely flat as a romance option so I'd rather she was sidelined to a supporting character role, but that's hardly fair to all her devout fans (who far outnumber me!). In this particular case I think the interest in the orgy more than justified the time spent on the episode.

The second issue is that, precisely because the MC has been able to fuck each of the girls solo, we eventually need some sort of reckoning to sort out where the four will stand once the MC's liaisons finally out. Given this is a porn game, a big sex scene is a better place to do that than most options.

Unfortunately, it sounds like Episode 19 has not worked out all the resolutions yet, at least for certain paths. The MC has very limited options to prevent Debbie from getting with Lily, and a lot of those efforts are presented in very poor light. On top of that, the episode ends before we actually learn where everyone stands the next day.

That is a serious problem that does undercut the time and effort spent on the blockbuster. I understand the devs faced real world hurdles and didn't want to stonewall the large majority of the fanbase who weren't going to see the missing branches in the first place, but I think it was a mistake to release the episode in this state. At the very least, put some sort of place-holder dialog explaining that a given version of the scene isn't finished yet rather than figuratively cutting to black and assuming we'll work out why our initial fears might not be justified.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the majority of the fan getting a big, fun payoff for a long running sub-plot. But at the same time, I wish it hadn't treated the minority that opted out of that payoff as a literal afterthought. I know it was never intended that way, but it's hard not to feel that way when we get a high-stakes cliffhanger and everyone else goe home satisfied (or never came to the theater at all). We can't read the devs' minds, after all.
See, this is why I shouldn't post before my second cup of coffee (or I should stop using Kahlua as my creamer)... You've described it all far better than I was able to muster.

In all honesty this is one game I would prefer was on a longer development cycle, I know some people will hate me for saying that but the turnaround that they have decided on feels too short to allow for a fully fleshed out and working update. I always want more content than less just as long as I am not waiting 6 months or more for it.
 

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I really don't like how Katie looks like now. I dunno, she's just ugly for some reason.
I know what you mean. Her proportions are somehow messed up, although they are supposed to be exactly the same, somehow she is different. Even the very thing that captivated me in her at the beginning, her eyes (and i really mean actual eyes) aren't the same. The look she has now is different than before. But... well... had no choice and got used to it.
 

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I followed the walktrough But there where moment like i only wanted to pick mc and a spefic girl only relationship
 
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Can you really avoid being in the threesome - and keep your romance interest out as well?
Yes, you can. You can leave the house (or get thrown out if you sabotage Debbie's confession) before the 3/4some happens, and as per one of the devs words, nothings happens between them, and your route should remain valid. Or if you are just soloing Katie, you can leave Debbie and Lily alone to go at it, and Katie will come with you to your room. But in all of these options, the MC gets no lewd scenes at the beach house with either of the 3. The main purpose of the beach house event is for the 3/4some sex.
 
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