VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[felicemastronzo]

Those two aspects can not be fully separated, especially if we are to believe that the turn around of Elaine was partly caused by reading that will condition and we are to assume from a remark that Elaine made that her fulfilling that condition would make MC hate her.

Considering Mc having to tell first, it was not MC that threw Elaine out of her house directly after Dad died and threatened to destroy her stuff after treating her as non-existent person for years.

A first move by Elaine would make all the sense in the world with her knowing their past and yeah that would not have to be an outright telling by her but just an offer to share their information. Even more if both now know the third party knows all conditions. Sure Mc could make that offer as well, but how many reasons does he have to truly trust Elaine, who is holding back a lot of info, amongst others what she is doing with lawyers and has only her word she is also doing it in his interest. Lack of trust of MC makes all the sense in the world.

She promised him that she will take care of him in case he doesn't get anything from the inheritance, doesn't that count as a first move?

Elaine can't erase the past, but it seems to me that in the present she is there ready to apologize and to take continual slaps and outbursts, without ever hiding, and then if she really wanted to cheat him she would do much sooner to tell him about the fake conditions than to hide the real ones.

 

[Hellkinglucifer]

She promised him that she will take care of him in case he doesn't get anything from the inheritance, doesn't that count as a first move?

Elaine can't erase the past, but it seems to me that in the present she is there ready to apologize and to take continual slaps and outbursts, without ever hiding, and then if she really wanted to cheat him she would do much sooner to tell him about the fake conditions than to hide the real ones.

A promise doesn't mean shit from a bitch like her, she was a bitch to him to get the father money so being nice to him to get her part of the inheritance is nothing for her. Given that the father loved to manipulate and destroy people i bet his conditions for elaine is to manipulate the mc into giving her the house willingly so she is being nice to him.

 

[DA22]

She promised him that she will take care of him in case he doesn't get anything from the inheritance, doesn't that count as a first move?

Elaine can't erase the past, but it seems to me that in the present she is there ready to apologize and to take continual slaps and outbursts, without ever hiding, and then if she really wanted to cheat him she would do much sooner to tell him about the fake conditions than to hide the real ones.

Like the person above me said out of a greater dislike for Elaine as I have, promises are just empty words until you deliver on them and I also said fact she keeps will conditions secret is also needed plot armor since devs are not prepared to reveal them to us players yet.

The ambiguity is there on purpose, Yes the conversion of Elaine might be genuine and she might indeed intend the best for him overall. Where her choices and loyalty might also be somewhat different in the end if MC is in a relation with her alone or not. (Remember Cheeky said that there would be one or two females that would be cheating MC on every route, that might also imply that some of the other females might do same and betray MC (maybe due to his own cheating) on the other paths depending on your relation with them.

That means that even sweet Jenna, Katie, Monica, probably especially Zarah if break some hearts she already warned you about and maybe even more might have your worst interest in mind depending on our choices. I suspect Elaine is one of the characters for whom that will play out pretty strongly and your choices as MC might make a big difference in the outcome of her actions.

 

[trolaro]

mega link is dead

 

[Gold613]

A promise doesn't mean shit from a bitch like her, she was a bitch to him to get the father money so being nice to him to get her part of the inheritance is nothing for her. Given that the father loved to manipulate and destroy people i bet his conditions for elaine is to manipulate the mc into giving her the house willingly so she is being nice to him.

Like the person above me said out of a greater dislike for Elaine as I have, promises are just empty words until you deliver on them and I also said fact she keeps will conditions secret is also needed plot armor since devs are not prepared to reveal them to us players yet.

The ambiguity is there on purpose, Yes the conversion of Elaine might be genuine and she might indeed intend the best for him overall. Where her choices and loyalty might also be somewhat different in the end if MC is in a relation with her alone or not. (Remember Cheeky said that there would be one or two females that would be cheating MC on every route, that might also imply that some of the other females might do same and betray MC

Either you two are blind by hate for Elaine that you 2 refuse to see all the hints in the game pointing out Elaine her sincerity or you both ignored it dead on when it was presented... multiple times.

Fortune Teller : Mother figure, kept apart by reasons of another, trying to make amends, has secret but cannot tell the MC. All that line is NOT about Monica it is about Elaine.

Bella+MC both have talked about Elaine her past character and how she was to the MC as a mother figure until his dad intervened on that and forced her to be cold towards him. She was in love with him or blinded by love by that man how or what no one knows. It has been also mentioned she is now acting more like she was before and trying to make amends. She made promises yes and promises only are worth something if they are kept, actions speak louder then words true. She is willing to go against everything to make sure the MC is set all she wants is the house.

The reason Elaine cannot mention or speak about all her condition is because she is barred from doing so. The Lawyer made it clear that some of the will holders have a clause in them that if they so much as talk about their conditions to other people or to other will holders their part becomes null and void. So she is not taking that risk. Even MC is not taking that risk.

The Fortune Teller and Lawyer have been key in absolving Elaine on so many levels that only blind hate for the character or genuine denial for those facts bars one from seeing that.

 

[CheekyGimp]

Similarly it would be prudent for the MC to get his own Lawyer. And anyone with at least some life experience that hears of his tituation (aka Monica) should tell him to do so. He could easily pay for it with the money he already got. But then this is still an adult game and not ace attorney. Reading an extensive dialog about inheritance laws will just have people complaining.

Unless you want to make that lawyer a hot milf ...

Agree - And this is planned.

 

[Gold613]

Agree - And this is planned.

We talking about a Hot milf lawyer right ? Because that is about all I got from that...

 

[CheekyGimp]

Well, just finished Chapter 20.

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Anyways, even with how long these chapters are, still enjoying it. Just have to break up the chapters 1 game day at a time. Thank you for this.

We never said there'll only be one. We just said we don't see a realistic harem end (Harem meaning ALL women staying with MC knowing and happy to share him with ALL other women)

 

[Hovic]

HI there incest pach please

 

[HornyyPussy]

HI there incest pach please

no incest in this game.....

 

[Bonhomie]

Lumping Elaine with a 'Gold digger' tag is a bit unfair.

She was a long term girlfriend / partner which in a lot of countries would give her legal protection and some claim on the father's estate, even if the will dictated otherwise..

As I recall she realised that 'father' was comfortably well off and provided her with a certain lifestyle, but she was as surprised as the MC when the true value of father's wealth was revealed.

Her change in attitude to the MC under instruction from father is also not unrealistic - several conversations give evidence of the controlling nature of her relationship with the 'dad' - behaviour, dress code etc. - so she would be easily bullied into treating the MC more harshly if the father told her to, probably accompanied by arguments about how it would toughen him up.

I must admit though that I am a bit perplexed about what her conditions are that would make the MC hate her. At time of the dad's death, she and the MC were already 'estranged'.
The MC thought she was a cruel bitch, and if her conditions were to stay away from the MC, would that make a lot of difference?

I suppose Dad suspected she would try to revert to her mothering and caring ways, and so wrote the will to prevent that.
It seems that the motivations in all the conditions we know about are to keep the MC away from any females that might care about him.

 

[DA22]

Either you two are blind by hate for Elaine that you 2 refuse to see all the hints in the game pointing out Elaine her sincerity or you both ignored it dead on when it was presented... multiple times.

Fortune Teller : Mother figure, kept apart by reasons of another, trying to make amends, has secret but cannot tell the MC. All that line is NOT about Monica it is about Elaine.

Bella+MC both have talked about Elaine her past character and how she was to the MC as a mother figure until his dad intervened on that and forced her to be cold towards him. She was in love with him or blinded by love by that man how or what no one knows. It has been also mentioned she is now acting more like she was before and trying to make amends. She made promises yes and promises only are worth something if they are kept, actions speak louder then words true. She is willing to go against everything to make sure the MC is set all she wants is the house.

The reason Elaine cannot mention or speak about all her condition is because she is barred from doing so. The Lawyer made it clear that some of the will holders have a clause in them that if they so much as talk about their conditions to other people or to other will holders their part becomes null and void. So she is not taking that risk. Even MC is not taking that risk.

The Fortune Teller and Lawyer have been key in absolving Elaine on so many levels that only blind hate for the character or genuine denial for those facts bars one from seeing that.

That is the thing, they do not absolve her, even if they may put her in a better light possibly. Yes talking about the will condition is a risk if that clause is there. The fact the third party had a preview and knows though might make any judge very lenient to you. If a judge would fully uphold a will with that kind of conditions anyway. Besides the idea of trust is that you share it only between the two of you and not go tell everyone. Sure if you tell you will lose the inheritance, but why would you tell anyone knowing that? It would be an obvious secret between the two of them.

About the fortune teller, yes that is probably Elaine and might foreshadow what might happen if you are on a better path with her. I am not so sure it is the only path with her. Also it assumes that what fortune teller tells is not cryptic and will be true on all paths you take as MC,

From MC's side he has little reason to trust her besides her words and fully believing her behavior has changed when comes to him. Is it impossible, no. Especially since MC is even as you play him as a caring manwhore a less assholic version of his death dad and has all or most of the characteristics she liked about his dad, without some of the downsides. That is why I suspect that Elaine may have one of the biggest swings in outcome based on how you treat her as MC.

 

[delain]

Date with Elaine was just great. I'm probably try to stay with her no matter what will happen next
Nice update, as always.

 

[Avaron1974]

she was a bitch to him

No she wasn't.

She ignored him because the man she was in love with told her to but she wasn;t a bitch to him. She never abused him or did anything cruel she just stayed out of his way.

It has been said in the game multiple times how they got on really well at the start and she was like a mother to him until his dad decided otherwise.

She had no say because she wasn't his mother so she just avoided him.

they do not absolve her,

Absolve her of what?

 

[DA22]

No she wasn't.

She ignored him because the man she was in love with told her to but she wasn;t a bitch to him. She never abused him or did anything cruel she just stayed out of his way.

It has been said in the game multiple times how they got on really well at the start and she was like a mother to him until his dad decided otherwise.

She had no say because she wasn't his mother so she just avoided him.



Absolve her of what?

What you say would be true if ignoring is not a form of emotional abuse as well especially to a child and if we did not have the situation of her throwing him out as soon as his dad died. So no, even though I will accept and even agree with your point Elaine is not a total monster likely.

That she was blameless and acted as MC's friend or a good stepmother all those years I will not agree with either, even if she may have had her reasons especially cause of the dad, she still made the choice to comply. If she is genuine in her conversion that is something she agrees with as well in game, that she was not blameless in her actions and had some need to apologize for that to MC.

 

[Ariostebaldo]

No she wasn't.

She ignored him because the man she was in love with told her to but she wasn;t a bitch to him. She never abused him or did anything cruel she just stayed out of his way.

It has been said in the game multiple times how they got on really well at the start and she was like a mother to him until his dad decided otherwise.

She had no say because she wasn't his mother so she just avoided him.



Absolve her of what?

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[felicemastronzo]

No she wasn't.

She ignored him because the man she was in love with told her to but she wasn;t a bitch to him. She never abused him or did anything cruel she just stayed out of his way.

It has been said in the game multiple times how they got on really well at the start and she was like a mother to him until his dad decided otherwise.

She had no say because she wasn't his mother so she just avoided him.



Absolve her of what?

I have a fairly 'guarantor' position for Elaine.

But the fact that she feels the need to apologise often to MC is a clear and indisputable sign that she has something to apologise for.

the fact that she behaved in a certain way because she was pushed and manipulated by the person she loved gives her justification, not absolution.

For love, one does shit, sometimes quite serious.

 

[Avaron1974]

What you say would be true if ignoring is not a form of emotional abuse as well especially to a child and if we did not have the situation of her throwing him out as soon as his dad died. So no, even though I will accept and even agree with your point Elaine is not a total monster likely.

That she was blameless and acted as MC's friend or a good stepmother all those years I will not agree with either, even if she may have had her reasons especially cause of the dad, she still made the choice to comply. If she is genuine in her conversion that is something she agrees with as well in game, that she was not blameless in her actions and had some need to apologize for that to MC.

He wasn't a child, he was a teenager. By the time his dad had stepped in to stop everything he was old enough to understand why and what was going on.

Also she did fight it, she fought it for years but didn't get anywhere.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Like the person above me said out of a greater dislike for Elaine as I have, promises are just empty words until you deliver on them and I also said fact she keeps will conditions secret is also needed plot armor since devs are not prepared to reveal them to us players yet.

The ambiguity is there on purpose, Yes the conversion of Elaine might be genuine and she might indeed intend the best for him overall. Where her choices and loyalty might also be somewhat different in the end if MC is in a relation with her alone or not. (Remember Cheeky said that there would be one or two females that would be cheating MC on every route, that might also imply that some of the other females might do same and betray MC (maybe due to his own cheating) on the other paths depending on your relation with them.

That means that even sweet Jenna, Katie, Monica, probably especially Zarah if break some hearts she already warned you about and maybe even more might have your worst interest in mind depending on our choices. I suspect Elaine is one of the characters for whom that will play out pretty strongly and your choices as MC might make a big difference in the outcome of her actions.

even revealing the conditions of the will would be just talk of no value... either you trust it or you don't

It's a choice you make in the game as in life.

in my opinion you have misunderstood the words of the developers... no girl will betray Mc in a sexual sense, some have their own goals that go beyond MC (Elaine is obvious, then there is the third heiress and it is not excluded that other girls have their own motivations, Jolina could have some regardless if she is the gold digger or not)

a different matter is how they will behave in case Mc betrays them in a blatant way and with whom he will do it, in that case plates and knives could fly

 

[Gold613]

He wasn't a child, he was a teenager. By the time his dad had stepped in to stop everything he was old enough to understand why and what was going on.

Also she did fight it, she fought it for years but didn't get anywhere.

For some people there is no point in explaining even if it is written in black and white, if there is something to take away what justifies their hate they refuse to accept it as it will take away their reason to hate and there for gloss over the truth.

Plenty of wording and plenty of explanation and plenty of context has been provided yet refused to be seen. They already judged that person and accepting that there is evidence proving their judgement incorrect and that means going against their "truth"

They only see what they want to see and read what they want to read, it is like you can provide em with 10 reasons with evidence why someone is innocent and have 1 reason why they might be guilty, and they will choose that one reason of guilt even though compared to the 10 reasons they ARE innocent, it pretty much becomes non existant.