DaimonFey

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Was likely fanservice. I very highly doubt that will ever go anywhere. Dev has said they are avoiding anything that could be seen as incest or connected to.
Incest is forbidden in most countrie and yet in some cases sisters who are pornstars appear in theresomes together and everything is fine so why not here?
 

Avaron1974

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Incest is forbidden in most countrie and yet in some cases sisters who are pornstars appear in theresomes together and everything is fine so why not here?
Mainly because the dev has said so. It's why he changed the story in the first place. He doesn't want incest in the game so he isn't adding it.
 

Harlaw

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I agree. Giving Bella everything would be dumbest thing ever. How can anybody trust her when she stabbed her sister in the back multiple times? Also why would Elaine would want anything to do with Bella if she really is Dizzy? Only thing that Elaine would want from Bella is suffering and death wich is tottaly understandible if you ask me. Lawyer mentioned that Bella(he never mentioned her name) is very cold and calculating person so its ulikely that she would split everything. Best way would be giving Elaine everything and trust her to split everything between her and MC because in my opinion she is trustworthy. It will be difficoult given that we don't know Bella's requirements but perhaps our decissions will infuence that.

As for harem I agree for the most part but I think that Katie/Debbie/Lily, Jenna/Katie or Monica/Zarah are rather possible.
I guess that depends on how 'evil' Bella is supposed to be. Maybe she'd be inclined to split the inheritance with an MC who is in a relationship with her and hasn't cheated on her. She's definitely been playing the MC against Elaine, but we don't know if she's been screwing, figuratively speaking, the MC or not.

As for her screwing Elaine, that's pretty fucked up, but tbf, Elaine did kick a 19 year old out of his own home without any support system, that too just after a week of his father's death. One could argue that Elaine has it coming and it's almost a karmic punishment for her to lose the house because of MC.
 

Avaron1974

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Sisters having sex with the same person at the same time is not incest as long as they are not performing sexual acts on each other.
It's not an argument, dev is avoiding anything that could be linked to incest. That's his choice. There's no point arguing with me over it.

Unless you want to throw a few hundred thousand at the dev so he can avoid Patreon. You make up any income he could potentially lose and i'm sure he'd be happy to do it.
 
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Harlaw

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Sisters having sex with the same person at the same time is not incest as long as they are not performing sexual acts on each other.
It has mostly to do with Patreon's TOS against promotion of incest, the devs would rather err on the side of caution than risk losing their patreon account.
 
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Machete

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It's not an argument, dev is avoiding anything that could be linked to incest. That's his choice. There's no point arguing with me over it.
Indeed. But this is still the answer to the question: Why is it legal to have twins team up in porn? Because they don't perform actual sexual acts on each other but only on the (lucky) guy.
 
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I guess that depends on how 'evil' Bella is supposed to be. Maybe she'd be inclined to split the inheritance with an MC who is in a relationship with her and hasn't cheated on her. She's definitely been playing the MC against Elaine, but we don't know if she's been screwing, figuratively speaking, the MC or not.

As for her screwing Elaine, that's pretty fucked up, but tbf, Elaine did kick a 19 year old out of his own home without any support system, that too just after a week of his father's death. One could argue that Elaine has it coming and it's almost a karmic punishment for her to lose the house because of MC.
Elaine throwing MC from his house was indead bad but we know that she is not an eveil person since she went to MC's match when Donald was out of country. Bella on the other side is treacherous slut in serious need of karmic punishment. Wanting money is ok but betraying your family is most certainly not.
 

Harlaw

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Elaine throwing MC from his house was indead bad but we know that she is not an eveil person since she went to MC's match when Donald was out of country. Bella on the other side is treacherous slut in serious need of karmic punishment. Wanting money is ok but betraying your family is most certainly not.
Oh I agree, Bella is definitely a bad person, manipulating people and screwing over her own sister. But I can't say that Elaine is much too better, sure she tried to be nice to the MC, but only as long as it didn't jeopardize her access to all the fine things in life that she got by being a psychopath's trophy girlfriend. She knew it was wrong for Donald to treat the MC like that, but she went along with it anyways. Arguably, that makes her more morally culpable than if she simply didn't give af about the MC.

From a neutral perspective, I'd say both sisters are terrible and the money is better off going to an animal charity than either of them. But looking at it from the MC's perspective, Bella was always nice to him and even protected him from Elaine when he was younger, whereas Elaine was always a bitch to him and threw him out on his ass. So I can see why the MC would be partial towards Bella.
 
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Oh I agree, Bella is definitely a bad person, manipulating people and screwing over her own sister. But I can't say that Elaine is much too better, sure she tried to be nice to the MC, but only as long as it didn't jeopardize her access to all the fine things in life that she got by being a psychopath's trophy girlfriend. She knew it was wrong for Donald to treat the MC like that, but she went along with it anyways. Arguably, that makes her more morally culpable than if she simply didn't give af about the MC.

From a neutral perspective, I'd say both sisters are terrible and the money is better off going to an animal charity than either of them. But looking at it from the MC's perspective, Bella was always nice to him and even protected him from Elaine when he was younger, whereas Elaine was always a bitch to him and threw him out on his ass. So I can see why the MC would be partial towards Bella.
Since evil is evil then perhaps we should go Witcher style and choose neither?
 

felicemastronzo

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Oh I agree, Bella is definitely a bad person, manipulating people and screwing over her own sister. But I can't say that Elaine is much too better, sure she tried to be nice to the MC, but only as long as it didn't jeopardize her access to all the fine things in life that she got by being a psychopath's trophy girlfriend. She knew it was wrong for Donald to treat the MC like that, but she went along with it anyways. Arguably, that makes her more morally culpable than if she simply didn't give af about the MC.

From a neutral perspective, I'd say both sisters are terrible and the money is better off going to an animal charity than either of them. But looking at it from the MC's perspective, Bella was always nice to him and even protected him from Elaine when he was younger, whereas Elaine was always a bitch to him and threw him out on his ass. So I can see why the MC would be partial towards Bella.
however, Elaine, except for a generic sense of adult responsibility, has no reason to care about MC (the stereotypical stepmother ignores children from the first marriage)

on the other hand Bella has no reason (that we know of) not to care for her own sister, in theory she makes any sacrifice for her (she quits her job just to be near her...), but then in everyday practice she is her biggest denigrator, ready to spread any suspicion against her
 

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however, Elaine, except for a generic sense of adult responsibility, has no reason to care about MC (the stereotypical stepmother ignores children from the first marriage)

on the other hand Bella has no reason (that we know of) not to care for her own sister, in theory she makes any sacrifice for her (she quits her job just to be near her...), but then in everyday practice she is her biggest denigrator, ready to spread any suspicion against her
It wasn't just that she ignored the MC as a kid, but she went along with a lunatic's bizarre survival of the fittest mindset to 'toughen up' his son by effectively bullying him in his own home. A hostile home environment is probably the worst thing for a child. Also, the trope is called 'Evil Stepmother' and for a good reason. Elaine definitely played that role to a T.

I suppose one could argue that blood connection alone doesn't warrant any special treatment especially if they didn't have a good relation growing up. Not that I want to make any excuses for Bella, she is definitely a terrible person. And her quitting job and moving with Elaine is definitely a maneuver, maybe to keep an eye on Elaine or MC or both.

I know we're supposed to learn Elaine's full story in Chapter 23, but if I had to make a decision right now, I'd take Bella over Elaine easily, and not just because she's much hotter.
 

felicemastronzo

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It wasn't just that she ignored the MC as a kid, but she went along with a lunatic's bizarre survival of the fittest mindset to 'toughen up' his son by effectively bullying him in his own home. A hostile home environment is probably the worst thing for a child. Also, the trope is called 'Evil Stepmother' and for a good reason. Elaine definitely played that role to a T.

I suppose one could argue that blood connection alone doesn't warrant any special treatment especially if they didn't have a good relation growing up. Not that I want to make any excuses for Bella, she is definitely a terrible person. And her quitting job and moving with Elaine is definitely a maneuver, maybe to keep an eye on Elaine or MC or both.

I know we're supposed to learn Elaine's full story in Chapter 23, but if I had to make a decision right now, I'd take Bella over Elaine easily, and not just because she's much hotter.
I disagree, Elaine would be the evil stepmother if she was the architect of what happens to mc, instead at best she can be blamed for not standing up to it, but why would she do that? Why would she jeopardise her lifestyle for a stranger whose father wanted to raise like that?

You would have wanted her to sacrifice herself for a stranger, that is a heroic act, it cannot be taken for granted

On the other hand, Bella is a highly inconsistent character in her own words, trusting is completely impossible. The point is not that Bella should love Elaine as her sister, but that she herself says so and then slaughters her
 
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instead at best she can be blamed for not standing up to it, but why would she do that?
An adult living in a household with a child has a responsibility to protect and safeguard that child, full stop. You take on that duty when you become part of their family. Elaine absolutely failed the MC and is complicit in his toxic homelife.
 
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felicemastronzo

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An adult living in a household with a child has a responsibility to protect and safeguard that child, full stop. You take on that duty when you become part of their family. Elaine absolutely failed the MC and is complicit in his toxic homelife.
You make it too easy.
Elaine is not his mother, and is never part of his family, and his biological father wants him to be brought up that way. i.e. without any deprivation or physical abuse, but without cuddling, without any displays of affection.
What exactly was Elaine supposed to do? Cuddle him in order to be put through the door herself, thus leaving mc in precisely the same situation as before?

She objects to Donald's behaviour, at least that's what she says, he resists, at which point she can either accept the situation or leave. Leaving an easy life with the person she loves anyway.
 
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Harlaw

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I disagree, Elaine would be the evil stepmother if she was the architect of what happens to mc, instead at best she can be blamed for not standing up to it, but why would she do that? Why would she jeopardise her lifestyle for a stranger whose father wanted to raise like that?

You would have wanted her to sacrifice herself for a stranger, that is a heroic act, it cannot be taken for granted

On the other hand, Bella is a highly inconsistent character in her own words, trusting is completely impossible. The point is not that Bella should love Elaine as her sister, but that she herself says so and then slaughters her
She might not have been the architect, but she was complicit in the emotional and psychological manipulation of the MC, a soft form of child abuse.

Iirc the MC actually mentions that Bella used to stand up for him against Elaine when she was exceedingly harsh towards him. So it wasn't just that she was distant and aloof towards him, she actually took part in the 'toughening up' process.

So I am sorry, but if you mistreat a child just to maintain your fancy lifestyle, then yes, you are a terrible person.

Bella is two faced, that's kind of her whole character. She's not a good person, that's for sure, but exactly how bad she is will depend on her true motivations and main plan.
 
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