A.C.H.B.

Member
Dec 17, 2020
426
914
Eh, so if you want romance stuff with a designated prostitute girl, get fucked. If you want prostitution and training scenes with one of the designated heroines, get fucked. Sounds like a dumb decision to me when you can just give scenes to all girls and simply let the player chose where they go, sounds like that would be a more worthwhile design direction rather than having a metric shit ton of generic prostitutes. Quantity vs quality and all that. It's a brothel sim game, trying to pander to people who want nothing but vanilla romance is a dumb thing to do in the first place. You can't have your cake and eat it too. But that's just my opinion on it, still going to play the game regardless.
Except that this isn't just a simple brothel sim game but is actually a VN with 'brothel simulator' elements. It wouldn't make much sense storywise for an LI or an oiran to have flexible roles. Well I can see a scenario where it actually would but it would be too complicated and too much work for the dev.
 

Indexless

Newbie
Aug 25, 2017
76
117
Except that this isn't just a simple brothel sim game but is actually a VN with 'brothel simulator' elements. It wouldn't make much sense storywise for an LI or an oiran to have flexible roles. Well I can see a scenario where it actually would but it would be too complicated and too much work for the dev.
Yeah sorry I don't buy that. At the end of the day, it's still a porn game. People are playing this game to jack off plain and simple, some story for context is always nice but if it's getting in the way of the porn you're doing something wrong. The plot should be something to facilitate the porn content, not the other way round.

edit: To simplify it, you write the story to fit the porn you want to show. You don't write the porn to fit into the story. That's blatantly counterintuitive. Nobody cares that much about the story.
 
Last edited:

MidnightKing

Member
Jun 27, 2017
465
2,532
Except that this isn't just a simple brothel sim game but is actually a VN with 'brothel simulator' elements. It wouldn't make much sense storywise for an LI or an oiran to have flexible roles. Well I can see a scenario where it actually would but it would be too complicated and too much work for the dev.
I think there definitely could be alternative routes to turn at least Saka and Yura into love interests rather than Oirans. The only thing really separating them from that right now is having sex scenes where they work as prostitutes. They express enough reluctance about it to fit, the only thing really forcing them into it is the brothel needing money fast. It would definitely require extra work and some things to maybe be rewritten though. I have no idea how the development process works so it doesn't feel fair to say "just do it lul". Best I'm hoping for is that it's taken into consideration since there is demand for it (I'd love to see it personally so I'm biased)
 

HunterSeeker

Engaged Member
May 13, 2017
2,286
1,366
Quick question: what causes an oiran to fail horribly at night services? It kind of sucks to send them off to a client and then they fail, get 0 profit, and then you can't use them for the next couple days. Pretty punishing mechanic if it's RNG since it has happened several times to me already. I'm wondering if it's RNG or if I can avoid it completely.
 
  • Like
Reactions: zackjack177
Dec 1, 2017
66
61
Quick question: what causes an oiran to fail horribly at night services? It kind of sucks to send them off to a client and then they fail, get 0 profit, and then you can't use them for the next couple days. Pretty punishing mechanic if it's RNG since it has happened several times to me already. I'm wondering if it's RNG or if I can avoid it completely.
My guess is eighter avoid sending any Oiran's to clients with Rough Sex uhhhh skill or if you do make sure the sex option he expects (anal, service, pleasure) is very high for the Oiran who tries to go to bed with that customer (she takes initiative)
 

fidless

Engaged Member
Donor
Game Developer
Oct 22, 2018
2,599
4,587
Yeah sorry I don't buy that. At the end of the day, it's still a porn game. People are playing this game to jack off plain and simple, some story for context is always nice but if it's getting in the way of the porn you're doing something wrong. The plot should be something to facilitate the porn content, not the other way round.

edit: To simplify it, you write the story to fit the porn you want to show. You don't write the porn to fit into the story. That's blatantly counterintuitive. Nobody cares that much about the story.
Are you one of those "critics" who skips all the and complains it lacks the content?
You also contradict yourself with statements like "Quantity vs quality" while asking for main story routes with every character in the game. Give me a million or two to hire a 10 people team to make a game with 30+ main characters, and maybe that'll happen, although I probably would find how to spend it more efficiently. But even if I did what you ask, you probably will complain about the game having text to read.
Your points make 0 sense and it seems you even hadn't played the game (and hopefully you won't). :HideThePain:
Play any other game which focuses only on swapping sex scenes with little context (CM3D2 is recommended, it is good what it does (and it is an actual honest recommendation. You can even be a head patting cuck in that game. You really can, it's not a joke. :Kappa: )).

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Actually, you can. I just brought a cake and ate it all by myself. It was goooooooood.
 
Last edited:

kartolas

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2021
1,051
1,648
Anyone struggles playing animations? My 4core/4thread 3.2ghz desktop cpu really struggles with the animations as it stays close to 100% all the time. I didn't check how many fps but it's most likely less than 10. God, even the text scroll slows radically. Besides that this is a pretty good game so far. I enjoyed it a lot.

Thank you and good luck.
 

fidless

Engaged Member
Donor
Game Developer
Oct 22, 2018
2,599
4,587
Anyone struggles playing animations? My 4core/4thread 3.2ghz desktop cpu really struggles with the animations as it stays close to 100% all the time. I didn't check how many fps but it's most likely less than 10. God, even the text scroll slows radically. Besides that this is a pretty good game so far. I enjoyed it a lot.

Thank you and good luck.
That must be some old-school PC. But yea, you're not wrong. RPGM is not the most efficient PC (web tech-based engine), old/outdated computers will have issues running it.
My 2015 400$ laptop (i5-5200U 2.20GHz) runs it 50fps, animations 32 fps.
 
Last edited:

kartolas

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2021
1,051
1,648
That must be some old-school PC. But yea, you're not wrong. RPGM is not the most efficient PC (web tech-based engine), old/outdated computers will have issues running it.
My 2015 400$ laptop (i5-5200U 2.20GHz) runs it 50fps, animations 32 fps.
Well, I never had issues with Treasure of Nadia videos and they had one if not the best quality animations.
 

fidless

Engaged Member
Donor
Game Developer
Oct 22, 2018
2,599
4,587
Well, I never had issues with Treasure of Nadia videos and they had one if not the best quality animations.
I'm using a newer web code to play videos and animations runs x2 better (performance/frames) without them crashing like on regular RPGM, so it must be some issue with your machine. Maybe it is a driver issue.

Can't really offer any solution. WR RE compared to TON should run worse because of higher resolution and more scripts running in the background, but videos should play better.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: kartolas

Indexless

Newbie
Aug 25, 2017
76
117
Are you one of those "critics" who skips all the and complains it lacks the content?
You also contradict yourself with statements like "Quantity vs quality" while asking for main story routes with every character in the game. Give me a million or two to hire a 10 people team to make a game with 30+ main characters, and maybe that'll happen, although I probably would find how to spend it more efficiently. But even if I did what you ask, you probably will complain about the game having text to read.
Your points make 0 sense and it seems you even hadn't played the game (and hopefully you won't). :HideThePain:
Play any other game which focuses only on swapping sex scenes with little context (CM3D2 is recommended, it is good what it does (and it is an actual honest recommendation. You can even be a head patting cuck in that game. You really can, it's not a joke. :Kappa: )).



Actually, you can. I just brought a cake and ate it all by myself. It was goooooooood.
All I said was it would probably be better to have more scenes and more varied scenes with less character as apposed to just making a shit ton of characters who will more than likely have scenes that play out pretty similarly. Quality vs quantity. No need to act pissy about receiving some constructive criticism. Funnily enough I actually do like this game. I like it a lot and have played it since the original game was in early development so I would rather voice my opinions on what I think would make it better but that's just that. It's your game, do what you want with it. If you disagree just pretend I didn't say anything.
 

kartolas

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2021
1,051
1,648
I'm using a newer web code to play videos and animations runs x2 better (performance/frames) without them crashing like on regular RPGM, so it must be some issue with your machine. Maybe it is a driver issue.

Can't really offer any solution. WR RE compared to TON should run worse because of higher resolution and more scripts running in the background, but videos should play better.
It's strange, I open/play the WR RE videos for instance on media player classic without any issue. PC uses like 5-10% cpu to play them. The game.exe processes, the 7 of them, use from 20-40 amd with ingame video player one of the processes go up to 70%. It's strange the entire machine was using only 80% of the cpu now but it was still with quite low fps. It wasn't close to 100% this time and text scroll was in still slowmotion. Machine has 12GB Ram and a 2gb 660TI. Never issues with other games here.

Anyway I didn't play the first one but this one is great and I don't play it for the videos anyway. Thanks for your time.
 

fidless

Engaged Member
Donor
Game Developer
Oct 22, 2018
2,599
4,587
All I said was it would probably be better to have more scenes and more varied scenes with less character as apposed to just making a shit ton of characters who will more than likely have scenes that play out pretty similarly. Quality vs quantity. No need to act pissy about receiving some constructive criticism. Funnily enough I actually do like this game. I like it a lot and have played it since the original game was in early development so I would rather voice my opinions on what I think would make it better but that's just that. It's your game, do what you want with it. If you disagree just pretend I didn't say anything.
We already doing this. Refer to https://f95zone.to/threads/wicked-rouge-refine-v0-2-0-public-fidless.102703/post-7161439
And your criticism is that game is being developed in a different manner than you'd like which wouldn't be a game we are making.

It's strange, I open/play the WR RE videos for instance on media player classic without any issue. PC uses like 5-10% cpu to play them. The game.exe processes, the 7 of them, use from 20-40 amd with ingame video player one of the processes go up to 70%. It's strange the entire machine was using only 80% of the cpu now but it was still with quite low fps. It wasn't close to 100% this time and text scroll was in still slowmotion. Machine has 12GB Ram and a 2gb 660TI. Never issues with other games here.

Anyway I didn't play the first one but this one is great and I don't play it for the videos anyway. Thanks for your time.
It must be some issue my game having with your system. I know chrome browser runs 100% CPU on my PC if I play it online, but opera and all the other browsers run it fine. Unfortunately, I can't offer any solution to this at this moment.
 
Last edited:

Indexless

Newbie
Aug 25, 2017
76
117
lmao, it being subjective doesn't make it not criticism. No shit it's my opinion. Do you think there's some kind of objective metric that can be used to asses a porn game? There isn't.
 

fidless

Engaged Member
Donor
Game Developer
Oct 22, 2018
2,599
4,587
lmao, it being subjective doesn't make it not criticism. No shit it's my opinion. Do you think there's some kind of objective metric that can be used to asses a porn game? There isn't.
Burgers are stupid, MacDonald should make Pizzas only.
(this is your opinion only, not a valid critique)
 

Indexless

Newbie
Aug 25, 2017
76
117
Burgers are stupid, MacDonald should make Pizzas only.
(this is your opinion only, not a valid critique)
The only time criticism is invalid is when criticism is based on outright lies or irrelevant details to the point of what is being critiqued. What I said is subjective but I haven't lied and my point is based on what the goal of what you're creating is. I'd say that's pretty valid criticism. Again, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's invalid. Also that's a dumb strawman you're using as an analogy cause I never said anything even near that.
 

fidless

Engaged Member
Donor
Game Developer
Oct 22, 2018
2,599
4,587
The only time criticism is invalid is when criticism is based on outright lies or irrelevant details to the point of what is being critiqued. What I said is subjective but I haven't lied and my point is based on what the goal of what you're creating is. I'd say that's pretty valid criticism. Again, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's invalid. Also that's a dumb strawman you're using as an analogy cause I never said anything even near that.
Oh, yes. Tell me more about what our goal with this game should be.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: RazielaMonarch

A.C.H.B.

Member
Dec 17, 2020
426
914
The only time criticism is invalid is when criticism is based on outright lies or irrelevant details to the point of what is being critiqued. What I said is subjective but I haven't lied and my point is based on what the goal of what you're creating is. I'd say that's pretty valid criticism. Again, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's invalid. Also that's a dumb strawman you're using as an analogy cause I never said anything even near that.
Oh it's criticism alright, just not the constructive type. Let me put it in words your kind will understand. What you're asking for is unreasonable for a dev team as small as this game has. For any dev not named DarkCookie, it's just not feasible financially to hire 10 full-time devs to cater to the whims of a random internet weirdo.

Also, not everyone plays these games as simply as you do. Most people actually enjoy the story aspect of these games, it being fap material comes secondary to those people. Being a VN and not just a simple brothel simulator, it is quite clear who the dev's target audience is. From an 3rd person's perspective, it looks like you want to reshape the dev's vision of the game to suit your whims and blatantly trying and failing to disguise it as 'criticism'.
 

Indexless

Newbie
Aug 25, 2017
76
117
Oh, yes. Tell me more about what our goal with this game should be.
Literally all I said was "hey, maybe it would be a good idea to add more varied scenes for each girl as apposed to just adding more girls because some people might not like all the girls equally and want different scenes for different girls" and you're acting like I was asking you to remake the entire game from the ground up, add a million and one scenes and 50 more girls.

Oh it's criticism alright, just not the constructive type. Let me put it in words your kind will understand. What you're asking for is unreasonable for a dev team as small as this game has. For any dev not named DarkCookie, it's just not feasible financially to hire 10 full-time devs to cater to the whims of a random internet weirdo.

Also, not everyone plays these games as simply as you do. Most people actually enjoy the story aspect of these games, it being fap material comes secondary to those people. Being a VN and not just a simple brothel simulator, it is quite clear who the dev's target audience is. From an 3rd person's perspective, it looks like you want to reshape the dev's vision of the game to suit your whims and blatantly trying and failing to disguise it as 'criticism'.
Again with the completely off base strawman that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. What I said is actually fucking easier to implement than what is currently planned because all you need is a couple more scenes per girl which I'm sure is a whole fucking lot easier than writing 10+ more characters like is said to be planned. I was even asking for less shit in the game than what is planned so you can fuck off with your "hire 10 full-time devs to cater to the whims of a random internet weirdo".

I'll also say I'm definitely not the only one that thinks it. Most people preferred the set up in the original. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
 

zackjack177

Member
Apr 2, 2020
420
763
Played since the first incarnation of WR and trying to do this one no cheats and such.

But with the customers being randomized for stat needs at this point I have nobody who can do anything and got one girl to go and then she got tired, and sick right after (twice). Cant train anybody as now only have one girl and im just losing money every night and cant even hire regular orians apparently. If I stop to train im STILL losing money as zero girls are working. So yea I can't say its playable unless your cheating yourself grands of gold.

Which if its done on purpose to get people to pleadge to higher tier is a VERY shitty thing todo. Hoping something changes how game starts you off, least get some regular orians form the start so your not going negative
 
3.60 star(s) 40 Votes